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  • ULTRAMAN VH
    Commando
    • May 2004
    • 1480

    Interesting article on The Big Dog!

    AT WAR

    What Clinton Didn't Do . . .
    . . . .and when he didn't do it.

    BY RICHARD MINITER
    Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

    Bill Clinton's outburst on Fox News was something of a public service, launching a debate about the antiterror policies of his administration. This is important because every George W. Bush policy that arouses the ire of Democrats--the Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, detention without trial, pre-emptive war--is a departure from his predecessor. Where policies overlap--air attacks on infrastructure, secret presidential orders to kill terrorists, intelligence sharing with allies, freezing bank accounts, using police to arrest terror suspects--there is little friction. The question, then, is whether America should return to Mr. Clinton's policies or soldier on with Mr. Bush's.

    It is vital that this debate be honest, but so far this has not been the case. Both Mr. Clinton's outrage at Chris Wallace's questioning and the ABC docudrama "The Path to 9/11" are attempts to polarize the nation's memory. While this divisiveness may be good for Mr. Clinton's reputation, it is ultimately unhealthy for the country. What we need, instead, is a cold-eyed look at what works against terrorists and what does not. The policies of the Clinton and Bush administrations ought to be put to the same iron test.





    With that in mind, let us examine Mr. Clinton's war on terror. Some 38 days after he was sworn in, al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center. He did not visit the twin towers that year, even though four days after the attack he was just across the Hudson River in New Jersey, talking about job training. He made no attempt to rally the public against terrorism. His only public speech on the bombing was a few paragraphs inserted into a radio address mostly devoted an economic stimulus package. Those stray paragraphs were limited to reassuring the public and thanking the rescuers, the kinds of things governors say after hurricanes. He did not even vow to bring the bombers to justice. Instead, he turned the first terrorist attack on American soil over to the FBI.
    In his Fox interview, Mr. Clinton said "no one knew that al Qaeda existed" in October 1993, during the tragic events in Somalia. But his national security adviser, Tony Lake, told me that he first learned of bin Laden "sometime in 1993," when he was thought of as a terror financier. U.S. Army Capt. James Francis Yacone, a black hawk squadron commander in Somalia, later testified that radio intercepts of enemy mortar crews firing at Americans were in Arabic, not Somali, suggesting the work of bin Laden's agents (who spoke Arabic), not warlord Farah Aideed's men (who did not). CIA and DIA reports also placed al Qaeda operatives in Somalia at the time.

    By the end of Mr. Clinton's first year, al Qaeda had apparently attacked twice. The attacks would continue for every one of the Clinton years.

    • In 1994, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who would later plan the 9/11 attacks) launched "Operation Bojinka" to down 11 U.S. planes simultaneously over the Pacific. A sharp-eyed Filipina police officer foiled the plot. The sole American response: increased law-enforcement cooperation with the Philippines.

    • In 1995, al Qaeda detonated a 220-pound car bomb outside the Office of Program Manager in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans and wounding 60 more. The FBI was sent in.

    • In 1996, al Qaeda bombed the barracks of American pilots patrolling the "no-fly zones" over Iraq, killing 19. Again, the FBI responded.

    • In 1997, al Qaeda consolidated its position in Afghanistan and bin Laden repeatedly declared war on the U.S. In February, bin Laden told an Arab TV network: "If someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than wasting time on other matters." No response from the Clinton administration.

    • In 1998, al Qaeda simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224, including 12 U.S. diplomats. Mr. Clinton ordered cruise-missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan in response. Here Mr. Clinton's critics are wrong: The president was right to retaliate when America was attacked, irrespective of the Monica Lewinsky case.

    Still, "Operation Infinite Reach" was weakened by Clintonian compromise. The State Department feared that Pakistan might spot the American missiles in its air space and misinterpret it as an Indian attack. So Mr. Clinton told Gen. Joe Ralston, vice chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, to notify Pakistan's army minutes before the Tomahawks passed over Pakistan. Given Pakistan's links to jihadis at the time, it is not surprising that bin Laden was tipped off, fleeing some 45 minutes before the missiles arrived.

    • In 1999, the Clinton administration disrupted al Qaeda's Millennium plots, a series of bombings stretching from Amman to Los Angeles. This shining success was mostly the work of Richard Clarke, a NSC senior director who forced agencies to work together. But the Millennium approach was shortlived. Over Mr. Clarke's objections, policy reverted to the status quo.

    • In January 2000, al Qaeda tried and failed to attack the U.S.S. The Sullivans off Yemen. (Their boat sank before they could reach their target.) But in October 2000, an al Qaeda bomb ripped a hole in the hull of the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding another 39.

    When Mr. Clarke presented a plan to launch a massive cruise missile strike on al Qaeda and Taliban facilities in Afghanistan, the Clinton cabinet voted against it. After the meeting, a State Department counterterrorism official, Michael Sheehan, sought out Mr. Clarke. Both told me that they were stunned. Mr. Sheehan asked Mr. Clarke: "What's it going to take to get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon?"





    There is much more to Mr. Clinton's record--how Predator drones, which spotted bin Laden three times in 1999 and 2000, were grounded by bureaucratic infighting; how a petty dispute with an Arizona senator stopped the CIA from hiring more Arabic translators. While it is easy to look back in hindsight and blame Bill Clinton, the full scale and nature of the terrorist threat was not widely appreciated until 9/11. Still: Bill Clinton did not fully grasp that he was at war. Nor did he intuit that war requires overcoming bureaucratic objections and a democracy's natural reluctance to use force. That is a hard lesson. But it is better to learn it from studying the Clinton years than reliving them.
    Mr. Miniter, a fellow at the Hudson Institute, is author of "Disinformation: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror" (Regnery, 2005).
  • Sarge's Little Helper
    Commando
    • Mar 2003
    • 1267

    #2
    AT WAR

    What Clinton Didn't Do . . .
    . . . .and when he didn't do it.

    BY RICHARD MINITER
    Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

    Bill Clinton's outburst on Fox News was something of a public service, launching a debate about the antiterror policies of his administration. This is important because every George W. Bush policy that arouses the ire of Democrats--the Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, detention without trial, pre-emptive war--is a departure from his predecessor. Where policies overlap--air attacks on infrastructure, secret presidential orders to kill terrorists, intelligence sharing with allies, freezing bank accounts, using police to arrest terror suspects--there is little friction. The question, then, is whether America should return to Mr. Clinton's policies or soldier on with Mr. Bush's.

    It is vital that this debate be honest, but so far this has not been the case. Both Mr. Clinton's outrage at Chris Wallace's questioning and the ABC docudrama "The Path to 9/11" are attempts to polarize the nation's memory. While this divisiveness may be good for Mr. Clinton's reputation, it is ultimately unhealthy for the country. What we need, instead, is a cold-eyed look at what works against terrorists and what does not. The policies of the Clinton and Bush administrations ought to be put to the same iron test.





    With that in mind, let us examine Mr. Clinton's war on terror. Some 38 days after he was sworn in, al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center. He did not visit the twin towers that year, even though four days after the attack he was just across the Hudson River in New Jersey, talking about job training. He made no attempt to rally the public against terrorism. His only public speech on the bombing was a few paragraphs inserted into a radio address mostly devoted an economic stimulus package. Those stray paragraphs were limited to reassuring the public and thanking the rescuers, the kinds of things governors say after hurricanes. He did not even vow to bring the bombers to justice. Instead, he turned the first terrorist attack on American soil over to the FBI.
    In his Fox interview, Mr. Clinton said "no one knew that al Qaeda existed" in October 1993, during the tragic events in Somalia. But his national security adviser, Tony Lake, told me that he first learned of bin Laden "sometime in 1993," when he was thought of as a terror financier. U.S. Army Capt. James Francis Yacone, a black hawk squadron commander in Somalia, later testified that radio intercepts of enemy mortar crews firing at Americans were in Arabic, not Somali, suggesting the work of bin Laden's agents (who spoke Arabic), not warlord Farah Aideed's men (who did not). CIA and DIA reports also placed al Qaeda operatives in Somalia at the time.

    By the end of Mr. Clinton's first year, al Qaeda had apparently attacked twice. The attacks would continue for every one of the Clinton years.

    • In 1994, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who would later plan the 9/11 attacks) launched "Operation Bojinka" to down 11 U.S. planes simultaneously over the Pacific. A sharp-eyed Filipina police officer foiled the plot. The sole American response: increased law-enforcement cooperation with the Philippines.

    • In 1995, al Qaeda detonated a 220-pound car bomb outside the Office of Program Manager in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans and wounding 60 more. The FBI was sent in.

    • In 1996, al Qaeda bombed the barracks of American pilots patrolling the "no-fly zones" over Iraq, killing 19. Again, the FBI responded.

    • In 1997, al Qaeda consolidated its position in Afghanistan and bin Laden repeatedly declared war on the U.S. In February, bin Laden told an Arab TV network: "If someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than wasting time on other matters." No response from the Clinton administration.

    • In 1998, al Qaeda simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224, including 12 U.S. diplomats. Mr. Clinton ordered cruise-missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan in response. Here Mr. Clinton's critics are wrong: The president was right to retaliate when America was attacked, irrespective of the Monica Lewinsky case.

    Still, "Operation Infinite Reach" was weakened by Clintonian compromise. The State Department feared that Pakistan might spot the American missiles in its air space and misinterpret it as an Indian attack. So Mr. Clinton told Gen. Joe Ralston, vice chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, to notify Pakistan's army minutes before the Tomahawks passed over Pakistan. Given Pakistan's links to jihadis at the time, it is not surprising that bin Laden was tipped off, fleeing some 45 minutes before the missiles arrived.

    • In 1999, the Clinton administration disrupted al Qaeda's Millennium plots, a series of bombings stretching from Amman to Los Angeles. This shining success was mostly the work of Richard Clarke, a NSC senior director who forced agencies to work together. But the Millennium approach was shortlived. Over Mr. Clarke's objections, policy reverted to the status quo.

    • In January 2000, al Qaeda tried and failed to attack the U.S.S. The Sullivans off Yemen. (Their boat sank before they could reach their target.) But in October 2000, an al Qaeda bomb ripped a hole in the hull of the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding another 39.

    When Mr. Clarke presented a plan to launch a massive cruise missile strike on al Qaeda and Taliban facilities in Afghanistan, the Clinton cabinet voted against it. After the meeting, a State Department counterterrorism official, Michael Sheehan, sought out Mr. Clarke. Both told me that they were stunned. Mr. Sheehan asked Mr. Clarke: "What's it going to take to get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon?"





    There is much more to Mr. Clinton's record--how Predator drones, which spotted bin Laden three times in 1999 and 2000, were grounded by bureaucratic infighting; how a petty dispute with an Arizona senator stopped the CIA from hiring more Arabic translators. While it is easy to look back in hindsight and blame Bill Clinton, the full scale and nature of the terrorist threat was not widely appreciated until 9/11. Still: Bill Clinton did not fully grasp that he was at war. Nor did he intuit that war requires overcoming bureaucratic objections and a democracy's natural reluctance to use force. That is a hard lesson. But it is better to learn it from studying the Clinton years than reliving them.
    Mr. Miniter, a fellow at the Hudson Institute, is author of "Disinformation: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror" (Regnery, 2005).
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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49136

      #3
      How much bullshit in this article --where to begin?

      Oh the fact that he doesn't ever "take a clod'-eyed look" at the Bush Administration's failures in Iraq, and the fact that they still did absolutely nothing between January 2001 and September 11, 2001 about terror and Bin Laden.

      Oh, BTW, The Patriot Act, or at least portions of it, were written under the Clinton Administration....
      Last edited by Nickdfresh; 09-28-2006, 01:58 PM.

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      • DrMaddVibe
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6659

        #4
        I thought you didn't like the Patriot Act...what changed?
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        • DEMON CUNT
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Nov 2004
          • 3240

          #5
          Confusing opinion and fact. It's the neocon way!

          ULTRADOUCHE is desperately trying to draw the spotlight from W. and his failure to prevent 911. Which, if you remember, happened while W. was in office.

          Also note the failure to provide a link. Stupid neocon dummy!
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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49136

            #6
            Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
            I thought you didn't like the Patriot Act...what changed?
            The Patriot Act started as a means to unify several federal agencies into more efficient (*sigh*) agencies such as Homeland Security.

            Bush is the one that added the Orwellian secret police facets such as "National Security Letters" and illegal domestic spying.

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            • ULTRAMAN VH
              Commando
              • May 2004
              • 1480

              #7
              Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
              Confusing opinion and fact. It's the neocon way!

              ULTRADOUCHE is desperately trying to draw the spotlight from W. and his failure to prevent 911. Which, if you remember, happened while W. was in office.

              Also note the failure to provide a link. Stupid neocon dummy!
              Thats a big negative on drawing the spotlight from W, Demon Cuntcream. The Big Dog has propelled himself back into the spotlight which means it is open season on him as well as all other politicians.

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              • Seshmeister
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Oct 2003
                • 35163

                #8
                Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
                Thats a big negative on drawing the spotlight from W, Demon Cuntcream.
                I think there comes a point when you change so many letters in a name that it's not recognisable.

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                • DEMON CUNT
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 3240

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
                  Thats a big negative on drawing the spotlight from W, Demon Cuntcream. The Big Dog has propelled himself back into the spotlight which means it is open season on him as well as all other politicians.
                  Or it's "open season" on the politicians that you don't like.

                  You focus on Clinton because you wish to avoid any discussion of the Bush Administrations absolute FAILURE to stop 911 and FAILURE to neutralize Osama.

                  Neocon says "but Clinton....but Clinton....but Clinton...."
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                  • ULTRAMAN VH
                    Commando
                    • May 2004
                    • 1480

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
                    Or it's "open season" on the politicians that you don't like.

                    You focus on Clinton because you wish to avoid any discussion of the Bush Administrations absolute FAILURE to stop 911 and FAILURE to neutralize Osama.

                    Neocon says "but Clinton....but Clinton....but Clinton...."
                    Look at my previous posts, I have been very critical of the current Administrations spending and policies on Illegal aliens. I have also been very critical of the war and its exorbitant costs.

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32797

                      #11
                      Clinton is a politician's politician. Other than discracing the office by grabbing intern ass and getting caught he really did very little damage.

                      Why slag Clinton with woulda coulda because the dude is out of office. It's the guy in office we need to worry about and his administration is putting together a shadow govt. and trying to disolve the United States into a union with Canada and Mexico. Not to mention getting us into a war in Iraq we didn't need.
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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49136

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        Clinton is a politician's politician. Other than discracing the office by grabbing intern ass and getting caught he really did very little damage.

                        Why slag Clinton with woulda coulda because the dude is out of office. It's the guy in office we need to worry about and his administration is putting together a shadow govt. and trying to disolve the United States into a union with Canada and Mexico. Not to mention getting us into a war in Iraq we didn't need.
                        You've been listening to CoasttoCoastAM too? Or have you read this on Worldnetdaily?

                        It's a shame that C2CAM is going to the dogs as it seem that George Noory loves the conspiracy glop.

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                        • stringfelowhawk
                          Foot Soldier
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 559

                          #13
                          The policies of the Clinton and Bush administrations ought to be put to the same iron test.



                          Do I have a tumor or did we completely forget the later administrations policies in this comparison of what policies did and did not work against terrorism?
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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58759

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            You've been listening to CoasttoCoastAM too? Or have you read this on Worldnetdaily?

                            It's a shame that C2CAM is going to the dogs as it seem that George Noory loves the conspiracy glop.
                            He couldn't love it that much, or he wouldn't have given an entire show to Ben Chertoff's spinning the "magic low melting point steel" lie for his cousin Mikey "of the Devil"
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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              #15
                              Dude, you need to change that creepy avatar...

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