Joy Division

[WARF]

Anyone dig the Joy Division? Ian Curtis was probably one of the most underated frontman of the late 70's and into 1980. I like their two albums, including the first warsaw the rocking of the three. I even enjoy the post Curtis album from New Order "Movement" and it's dark edge sounds more like a Joy Division album... before they became a cheesy synth pop going into the mid 80's... when they became sorta hit or miss... under Barnard whose voice isn't quite as good as Curtis... and of course the amazing melodic Bass of Peter Hook became buried under the cheesy beats.

Anyone else like these bands... or the early material?

[FORD]

I like pretty much everything they did up to the end of the 80's. I even bought Peter Hook's "Revenge" CD during the brief New Order breakup. After that though, they seemed to go too far into the techno thing for my tastes.

[WARF]

This thread wouldn't be complete without some live JD.

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ONE OF THEIR BEST... digital

[WARF]

Here's when the band was totally COKED OUT in November 81' NYC!
They were still pretty cool at this point... before they tured gay around 85'.... look at the band members rubbin' their noses every few seconds... and the keyboard chick is high as fuck! In the DVD you can see her do a line off the keyboard! lol

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[Seshmeister]

Horrendous.

[WARF]

You were probably buyin' their albums on vinyl when you a little kid sesh!

You know it!!

[Seshmeister]

My first single I bought was Greased Lightning when it was in the charts.

I stand by that.

I have always hated Joy Derision. Maybe it's because I was around at the time.

I don't get it. Maybe it's better than some of the shit you grew up with but it's still shit.

Cheers!

[WARF]

I think this forum is pretty damn boring, when a megadeth or metallica thread comes up every 5 minutes.

[DrMaddVibe]

Like their stuff.

I even like some of the newer stuff..."Crystal" is an amazing song that gets played in some clubs I go to.

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[Jérôme Frenchise]

I have "Unknown Pleasures" and "Closer" too.
I've also got "Substance", a collection of tracks from the 1977-80 which also includes a few alternate takes of tunes tha tare on the 2 albums. You find their first single, "Warsaw", "Leaders of Men" or a very big one called "No love lost".
I really recommend "Substance".
I also have "The complete BBC recordings", recorded on Jan. 31st, Sept. 1st and Nov. 26th 1979, including a dozen-minute interview of Ian Curtis and Stephen Morris.
I've got "Still" too. It's a 20-track live record that notably includes tunes I really dig, like "The Kill", "Ceremony" and an onstage take of "Means to an end". The rest is worth it as well.
Finally, I have "Preston 28 February 1980", which is particularly gloomy.
All these records are official releases.

As for New Order, well, I never could dig it, except a couple of songs from around 1983.

Whenever I listen to Joy Division, it's because I'm down and fucked up - helps me going further down.

[Seshmeister]

Shocking admissions...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Shocking admissions...

How're you doing, Sesh?

I like Joy Division's stuff, but I can understand why one may hate it.

At the same period there was Bauhaus who did comparable music, though less sinister.
I don't dig the cult of personality around Ian Curtis. Just have a look at the comments on their songs on YouTube... Sick!
All right; the dude had a huge voice and wrote great tunes (you can say you don't like them, but can't deny they've got something strong and unique), but he was a heroin addict who hung himself at the age of 22... Those people who worship him do so for fucking sick reasons.

[Terry]

Had spent some time in the UK in the late 1980s, and was introduced to the band (New Order) and their music by a friend of mine, who had been pretty heavily into Joy Division when they were around as well, and what I heard of it never did much for me. A few grooves and bits here and there perked my ears, but not enough...

Had Substance in my collection for a long time, but ended up chucking it away because I just wasn't listening to it anymore.

[Terry]

Think it may have had to do with the timing of it, as New Order had a single out called True Faith, I believe...and, overall, I just didn't care much for a lot of the stuff coming out across the board far as music went from about 1987 to 1991.

Still don't.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by Terry
Had Substance in my collection for a long time, but ended up chucking it away because I just wasn't listening to it anymore.

This particular record, "Substance", is the kind of stuff that shouldn't ever be chucked away, by any means. Just IMO.