Steve Vai vs Yngwie... [Archive] - The Diamond David Lee Roth Army

ThrillsNSpills

10-13-2006, 02:21 PM

Well first off, you're comparing the two of them with a song Yngwie wrote, which I think negates it as a fair comparison.

Nick's opinion as a non-guitarist is a testament to how classic VH shits all over both these guys due to the fact that Ed made virtuoso guitar playing accesible to the masses with the strengh of their songwriting abilities.

I think both of these guys can shred with feeling in their own way, but I will agree that Vai compromises feeling for flash (see Big Trouble); his best phrasing as a soloist was when he was with Zappa.

Yngwie repeats himself a bit with his harmonic minor scales but his execution is brilliant on a good day.
Graham Bonnet's best work was with Schenker. (not Graham's fastest player as you know, but a good blend as far as chemistry)

Nickdfresh

10-13-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
You wouldn't know the first thing about a guitar, so shut the hell up...

The uninteresting tosser is you, look in the mirror...

Originally posted by ELVIS
How 'bout watching the clips and making a comment worth hearing...

Hey Elvira, go fuck yourself Candystripper. You don't like my comments, then don't read them oh "Guitar tossi'off'so.'"

My comments stand, and as usual, you made yourself look like a mental case fuckwad in dire need of Jesus-anger management. You don't like my posts, then don't read them. But in fact a lot of people here agree that you've heard one redundantly droning, masturbatory wankfest, then you've heard them all. And apparently many people do not share your singular obsession with an overweight Swedish meatball with a Fender strapped to him. In fact, Joe Satriani made guitar instrumental music worth listening too with his first couple of albums, whereas Yngwie Fatsteen is a boring fuckwit hasbeen nobody cares about.

And if we want to see jackoffs that have no idea what they're talking about, maybe we'll just pull your comments making fun of EVH or of Brian Young (like your some jealous bitch that could do better than Brian or something), or how you're such a self-professed "expert" on recording and home audio when you clearly exposed yourself as a know-nothing asshole that seems to enjoy jumping on people and hurling unprovoked insults at any poster that somehow pisses you off by daring to not share your opinions. What an insecure cunt you are...

Nickdfresh

10-13-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by ThrillsNSpills
Well first off, you're comparing the two of them with a song Yngwie wrote, which I think negates it as a fair comparison.

Nick's opinion as a non-guitarist is a testament to how classic VH shits all over both these guys due to the fact that Ed made virtuoso guitar playing accesible to the masses with the strengh of their songwriting abilities.

...

Actually, I took guitar lessons in high school, and could play pretty solid rhythm at one time. And have found that I just really wasn't inspired by Steeler.

Hardrock69

10-13-2006, 03:06 PM

Both = technically grate

Yngwie - Plays with fire

Vai - Plays around out in outerspace

While I both believe they are good guitarists, they are unable to truly create interesting music for the masses (howzat for an oxymoron).

I never want to see either of them again.

They bore me to tears anymore.

ELVIS

10-13-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Hey Elvira, go fuck yourself Candystripper. You don't like my comments, then don't read them oh "Guitar tossi'off'so.'"

My comments stand, and as usual, you made yourself look like a mental case fuckwad in dire need of Jesus-anger management. You don't like my posts, then don't read them. But in fact a lot of people here agree that you've heard one redundantly droning, masturbatory wankfest, then you've heard them all. And apparently many people do not share your singular obsession with an overweight Swedish meatball with a Fender strapped to him. In fact, Joe Satriani made guitar instrumental music worth listening too with his first couple of albums, whereas Yngwie Fatsteen is a boring fuckwit hasbeen nobody cares about.

And if we want to see jackoffs that have no idea what they're talking about, maybe we'll just pull your comments making fun of EVH or of Brian Young (like your some jealous bitch that could do better than Brian or something), or how you're such a self-professed "expert" on recording and home audio when you clearly exposed yourself as a know-nothing asshole that seems to enjoy jumping on people and hurling unprovoked insults at any poster that somehow pisses you off by daring to not share your opinions. What an insecure cunt you are...

No asshole...

You're insecure and this post proves it...

I can't even remember that much information about your lame ass...

ELVIS

10-13-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Both = technically grate

Yngwie - Plays with fire

Vai - Plays around out in outerspace

I'll accept that...

Thankyaverymuch..

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-13-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Hey Elvira, go fuck yourself Candystripper. And apparently many people do not share your singular obsession with an overweight Swedish meatball with a Fender strapped to him

That made me laugh out loud.

bastardog

10-13-2006, 04:36 PM

I'm not a guitar player......and don't know how to play
That stated I will give my oppinion based just what I hear and like to hear.

I like Vai high sound on that one...

So what?..... for tastes are the colors and flavors

Eyes of the Night

10-13-2006, 06:53 PM

Vai has no rythm ... Malmsteen I truley haven't heard any of his music ... but would still pick him over Vai ... by a mile ...

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-13-2006, 07:07 PM

Check out Malmsteen's Trilogy album.

PM me if you want it.

Nickdfresh

10-13-2006, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
No asshole...

You're insecure and this post proves it...

"No, you are!" Nice comeback douche bag. Are you in fourth grade or something?

I can't even remember that much information about your lame ass...

Another fine nonsensical piece of shit post by everyone's favorite angry fuckstump.

ELVIS

10-13-2006, 08:04 PM

Are you following me or something ??

Go away...

Nickdfresh

10-13-2006, 08:55 PM

No genius, I'm posting back to you. Like when I stated my opinion, you acted like an asshole by the third post in this thread.

Funny, you can dismiss me as biased, but it's pretty interesting that people in this thread seem to notice it too.

And why start a discussion thread when all you want to hear is that Yngwie is the greatest. That's not discussion, it's called reaffirmation. And that is for the weak and insecure.

ELVIS

10-13-2006, 09:03 PM

You are following me...

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-13-2006, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
You are following me...

Most people here actually try to avoid you.

DR CHIP

10-13-2006, 09:18 PM

Can you imagine Yngwie and Dave????

Can't quite see Dave singing about castles and dragons.....

:)

PS - Vai is better

ELVIS

10-13-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
Most people here actually try to avoid you.

Good...

I prefer it that way...

Nickdfresh

10-13-2006, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by DR CHIP
Can you imagine Yngwie and Dave????

Can't quite see Dave singing about castles and dragons.....

:)

PS - Vai is better

I read an interview with Yngwie in which he disparaged all lead singers as basically vain. So that would never happen. Yngwie's another guy that needs total control and spotlight. So does Dave, so it ain't gonna ever happen.

BTW, I've never said Yngwie was a bad guitarist, he's a great shredder, as is Vai, it's just there's only so many creative places you can go with a four-minute solos, and with guys that hate singers.

I prefer Yngwie's tone over Vai's tone. But I think Vai's playing breaks a bit more ground creatively (from what I've heard, which is admittedly not much from either).

Nickdfresh

10-13-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
Most people here actually try to avoid you.

Especially women.

BruinJer

10-14-2006, 02:12 AM

a couple of point I got out of the two viseos is that I REALLY hate Yngwie and like Joe Lyn Turner...

Revan

10-14-2006, 03:20 AM

If memory serves, according to a Guitar World interview some years back (1989 or thereabouts), Dave asked Yngwie to join him prior to Steve Vai. Yngwie was already doing decent enough business as a solo artist and didn't want to go into another Steeler/Alcatrazz situation with David, so he opted not to join. Dave then went after Steve, who was actually with Alcatrazz as Yngwie's replacement at the time.

From my perspective, Yngwie's a far more interesting listen (and a far more interesting player) than Steve is. Compositionally, Malmsteen has the edge and in technical prowess and (most importantly) songs that stick in your head, Yngwie does a far more compelling job album to album than Steve Vai.

I honestly have a lot of respect for Yngwie, due to the fact that he saved the guitar world from the masses of EVH clones that were out in the market at the time and gave everybody something else to aspire to. And Yngwie had a mob of copycat clones that followed him down the tailpipe. Of course, Yngwie borrowed a lot from Ritchie Blackmore, and a tad bit from Randy Rhoads and EVH himself, but his predominant influences were classical music, and regardless of who has what opinion, nobody was doing what Yngwie was doing in 1983 and, being someone who remembers, when he burst on the scene, everybody in the industry forgot all about Eddie Van Halen for a while, which was a breath of fresh air as far as I was concerned.

For myself, it all comes down to composition. I own several Vai albums (DLR, Whitesnake, Alcatrazz and solo), and short of the DLR, Whitesnake and Alcatrazz material, I'm hard pressed to recall any Vai songs. They just don't stick in my head, even though I've listened to the albums repeatedly. They're not memorable. On the other hand, I can recall pretty much any Malmsteen song he's ever written, and that's where the proof is.

Realistically, Vai and Malmsteen are two different styles, I think. Left to their own devices, they approach guitar from two different angles and their results vary. A better survey, I think, would be to determine a preferred favorite between Vai and the aforementioned Joe Satriani (in which case, I'd pick Joe - even though both Vai and Satriani quit being relevant on any level to me after 1993 or so).

I have a tendancy to immediately dismiss anybody who dismisses shred as "soulless guitar wankery", due to the simple fact that many other higher profile reviewers dismissed Jimi Hendrix, Ritchie Blackmore, Edward Van Halen and Randy Rhoads (four legends to pretty much everybody's mind, I'd think) as the same thing.

It's just a case of personal preference, and if Yngwie wasn't succesful doing what he's doing, he wouldn't be doing it. Over in Japan (a very large market, musically) he outsells top American artists 5 to 1 in most cases - and he still does alright business in America, at least comparable to other 80's metal acts active in the field today.

In regards to the G3 tour, as a very open-minded attendee, I can say without any doubt that Malmsteen was the absolute highlight for the several shows I caught and the audience absolutely seemed to prefer him. By and large, people looked bored throughout Steve and Joe's sets, at least from what I saw.

To tell the truth, I was mostly excited about Tony MacAlpine on keyboards, but that's yet another story...

Mr Badguy

10-14-2006, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by Revan
I have a tendancy to immediately dismiss anybody who dismisses shred as "soulless guitar wankery", due to the simple fact that many other higher profile reviewers dismissed Jimi Hendrix, Ritchie Blackmore, Edward Van Halen and Randy Rhoads (four legends to pretty much everybody's mind, I'd think) as the same thing.

Perhaps.

But where are Steve and Yngwie`s solos that are true pieces of classic composition like "Little wing", "Mr Crowley", "Hot for teacher" or "Highway star"?

That`s what real guitar genius is, the ability to create a piece of guitar music that is as instantly memorable as any chorus and that cannot be performed differently from the original because it`s so recognizable.

No shredder has ever achieved true legendary status as their stuff is only really interesting to guitarists, not to the untrained ear who just likes a good melody.

Revan

10-14-2006, 04:45 AM

Absolutely right, to the average music listener, shred will probably never stick with them, and neither Yngwie nor Steve will ever come up with anything like the songs you've mentioned (well, maybe Yankee Rose, Just Like Paradise or Here I Go Again might resonate a bit, but I don't blame Steve for that).

However...I can't honestly see it from the perspective of the "average music listener" (at the risk of sounding too arrogant, I'm not). Coming from my perspective, Yngwie's Trilogy Suite sticks with me (and is just as important a piece of guitar work, to me) as Highway Star is. I don't know if that elevates me above the pack or puts me slightly out of touch - maybe a bit of both?

To my mind, Yngwie's song Far Beyond the Sun is just as great a piece as Hot for Teacher is in regards to guitar work and outright compositional quality (probably even better if I was to be directly biased about it), but I'm going to be the exception when it comes to saying that, for sure - John Q. Public has never heard of Yngwie or is even remotely familiar with that song...Hot for Teacher, on the other hand, would be another matter entirely.

To play devils advocate, however, I can't play a lick of guitar. :)

ELVIS

10-14-2006, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by Revan

To my mind, Yngwie's song Far Beyond the Sun is just as great a piece as Hot for Teacher is in regards to guitar work and outright compositional quality (probably even better if I was to be directly biased about it), but I'm going to be the exception when it comes to saying that, for sure - John Q. Public has never heard of Yngwie or is even remotely familiar with that song...Hot for Teacher, on the other hand, would be another matter entirely.

To play devils advocate, however, I can't play a lick of guitar. :)

Check this out...

Nice posts, BTW...:cool:

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:elvis:

ELVIS

10-14-2006, 06:07 AM

I'll admit Yngwie goes a little to far on that one, but it's still amazing...

Here's a less wanked out version...:cool:

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:elvis:

Soul Reaper

10-14-2006, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I read an interview with Yngwie in which he disparaged all lead singers as basically vain.

that's funny coming from Yngwie....

Vai, by a narrow margin....I just really like his playing style, there's something very personal about it....I can always tell it's him....

I still think Yngwie is the better songwriter....because he actually wrote some songs and I did like 'You Don't Remember...' even if it is relatively cheesy....

Nickdfresh

10-14-2006, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
You are following me...

Oh, I'm "following you" now druggie?

Actually, there are about five or six threads over the last few days in several forums where you post an unsolicited comment to me you retard.

Typical hypocrite, two-faced babble from a monosyllabic fuckwit. BTW Nurse Elvis, when do you plan to string more than five words together, with at least one word containing more than two syllables? I know you're not very intelligent, but since you like to comment on grammar, maybe you can show off your mad ninth-grade writing skills?

ELVIS

10-14-2006, 06:59 AM

Man, like I said previously (how many syllables is that?) SHUT UP already...

Holy shit, you're a stalker...:rolleyes:

Nickdfresh

10-14-2006, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Man, like I said previously (how many syllables is that?) SHUT UP already...

Holy shit, you're a stalker...:rolleyes:

LOL Should I post links faggot? There are far more examples of you "stalking me."

Oh, and congratulations on your use of the word pre-vi-ous-ly! Very good, maybe someday you'll graduate to starting threads with more than an embedded YouTube link!

Hurray!!

Nickdfresh

10-14-2006, 07:03 AM

In fact, every post I have in the Batcave is followed by some weak and pointless Elvira dribble, but of course Candystripper will ignore that, and claim that I am stalking him.

Revan

10-14-2006, 08:17 AM

I get the sense, somehow, that there's more going on here than a Steve Vai vs. Yngwie Malmsteen debate?

Soul Reaper

10-14-2006, 08:26 AM

your talent for perception is unlimited....

Revan

10-14-2006, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
your talent for perception is unlimited....

I agree wholeheartedly.

Tiki-Tom

10-14-2006, 02:16 PM

They're both great players, more than likely better than any of us here in this forum. As confident as I am, I doubt I'll ever be on their level. So I refuse to be too critical.

That said, I'm gonna say Vai, At least he sounds (better or worse) interesting.

Yngwie sounds like your best GIT instructor gone mad. See this scale? This is how fast it can be played. It's very impressive, but where's the creativity?

ThrillsNSpills

10-14-2006, 06:07 PM

ELVIS

10-14-2006, 07:11 PM

Too bad the sound on that clip sucks ass...

Still awesome, and to me, full of feeing...

SparkieD

10-15-2006, 12:50 AM

Yngwie gets my vote 'cuz I love him in Alcatrazz.

ELVIS

10-15-2006, 12:58 AM

What is feeing ??

:D

Revan

10-15-2006, 04:43 AM

I agree, I think Yngwie has a lot of feeling in his playing. Songs like Icarus Dream Suite, Memories, Krakatau, Eclipse, Marching Out, Overture 1383, Sorrow and particularly the whole Concerto for Electric Guitar and Orchestra album...most of the instrumental pieces are very thought out, very emotion provoking for me and they always strike a certain resonance. I always remember where I was and what I was doing when I hear a certain piece by him.

Apparently, I guess it boils to personal interpretation of his music. "Millions of Elvis Presley fans can't be wrong"? Well, maybe so...but the millions of other people who weren't Elvis fans might have told you something else, you know.

Same for Yngwie and Vai, when you get right down to it.

Soul Reaper

10-15-2006, 09:03 AM

Yngwie has got an icnredible vibrato....very fast and vicious....

it's an exaggeration that he goes fast all the time....at least he does some slower passages unlike Michael Angelo Batio....

Nickdfresh

10-15-2006, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by ELVIS
What is feeing ??

:D

I don't, but it must mean you're an "idiot" according to candy-stripper bitch rules...

ELVIS

10-15-2006, 10:12 AM

You must be drunk...

Jérôme Frenchise

10-15-2006, 10:16 AM

Both guitarists are amazing, but as it was said earlier in this thread they work a little too much on technique. As a very poor guitar player myself but as a true guitar lover, I must say I enjoy melodies or chord series that don't sound artificial, like Vai and Malmsteen often do IMO.

I'd much rather listen to CVH EVH, or to a certain extent Matthias Jabs who would try and compete (sometimes very successfully) 20 years ago or so.
Basically you've got to be a guitarist yourself to enjoy listening to Vai, Satriani or Malmsteen (which doesn't mean every guitar player digs them of course), as I've often noticed. :cool:

If I had to choose between both, I'd say VAI, because of his stuff with DLR. Of course. :)

Matt White

10-15-2006, 10:48 AM

I'll take Malmsteen......

VAI is a tool.......

Last_Child

10-15-2006, 12:34 PM

I'll take none...
Shredding/wanking bores me.

I can listen to it, but not over a long time.

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-15-2006, 12:43 PM

I'll pick Marty Friedman.

ThrillsNSpills

10-15-2006, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
I'll pick Marty Friedman.

We got it.

Learn Hangar 18 on guitar.
make it a goal.
aim high, and every step won't seem as hard if it's something you really love.

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-15-2006, 01:34 PM

I didn't mean it like that.

I'm just trying to say that there are SOME shredders who have feeling.

I don't judge a good guitar player by speed.

Soul Reaper

10-15-2006, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Matt White
I'll take Malmsteen......

VAI is a tool.......

I remember you called Vai a Mongolian String Bender....

indeedido

10-15-2006, 03:44 PM

Both of those songs stink. Both singers stink.

Vai is by far a more outstanding guitarist. There is a lot of passion in Vai's playing. Yngwie boring neoclassical is cool for about 2 minutes, then it is a snoozefest. Cold playing vs. Vai's hot playing. Vai can paint a colorful pallette, Yngwie is one and done.

Matt White

10-16-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
I remember you called Vai a Mongolian String Bender....

Look in the Dictionary...under MONGOLIAN STRING BENDER....

VAI is pictured.....

Boring old hat....

He shot the wad on FLEXABLE 20 years ago........

He can't write a tune to save his life...........................

bastardog

10-16-2006, 10:43 AM

OK.....then I choose Dave Mustaine

Mr Grimsdale

10-16-2006, 02:36 PM

I'll pick Vai. He's done some decent stuff in my view. I just don't get Yngwie. Just a personal preference.

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-16-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by bastardog
OK.....then I choose Dave Mustaine

Hells to the yeah!

Holy Wars!

ELVIS

10-16-2006, 03:58 PM

Ok, we get it, you like Megadeath...:rolleyes:

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-16-2006, 04:18 PM

Get it?

Got it?

Good.

<img src="http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif"></img>

ELVIS

10-16-2006, 05:09 PM

Dude, you're the one who was a dickhead to me out of nowhere...

Go do something else with your time if you don't like the threads I start...

:mad2:

binnie

10-17-2006, 04:37 AM

Well, I'm no guitar player so I can't comment on who's the greater virtuoso.....

But if I had to pick one to listen too, it'd be Vai (and I'd pick him over Satch too) because there are moments where he actually makes decent music regardless of the great technique.

Also, when he's on I love the energy in his tone.

I know Yngwie is startlingly fast, but to me he's always had the solo guitar player problem of not being able to write songs (just my opinion, don't lynch me YM fans!).

But I have to say that IMO there is more to great guitar playing than technique - neither of them have a lot of feel IMO opinion - give me SRV anyday....

binnie

10-17-2006, 04:38 AM

Also, neither of them could take Mustaine on rhythm playing!

ULTRAMAN VH

10-17-2006, 10:59 AM

Not a big fan of either guitarist, but after watching the G3 dvd, I would give the nod to Vai.

Soul Reaper

10-17-2006, 12:42 PM

Yngwie did tend to over shred in the Hendrix covers on the G3 DVD....

ELVIS

10-17-2006, 03:28 PM

I agree with that, but it was still cool...:elvis:

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-17-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by binnie
Also, neither of them could take Mustaine on rhythm playing!

A recurring theme, Metallica fans....

ELVIS

10-17-2006, 03:50 PM

Check this out...

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:elvis:

ELVIS

10-17-2006, 04:00 PM

This is cool too...:cool:

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:elvis:

Soul Reaper

10-18-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
A recurring theme, Metallica fans....

obsessed Megadeth fan, a recurring theme....

:)

Revan

10-19-2006, 04:25 AM

In related news, Graham Bonnet announced that Alcatrazz is back together. Of course, he's the only original member, so you figure that one out.

binnie

10-19-2006, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
A recurring theme, Metallica fans....

Ha Ha, you got me!

True dat, although I wouldn't want to choose between Hetfield and Mustaine on rhythm playing......

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-19-2006, 06:10 AM

Let's all guess who I'd pick...

ELVIS

10-19-2006, 12:04 PM

Yngwie ??

SparkieD

10-19-2006, 12:57 PM

Proof that Yngwie could, at one time, excercise some restraint:

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His rhythm tone is just beautiful. Unfortunately, in the only live footage I could find of that particular tune his fingers are running all over the fretboard like the legs of a hyperactive three year-old.

I listened to him a lot back in the 80's. Never even wanted to play like him. I was striving for a blend of Scott Ian/Ronni LeTekro. I never succeeded:(

I never cared for Vai as a guitar player. I did like him in a whole band setting if that makes any sense. And he's very entertaining to watch.

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-19-2006, 02:46 PM

Dude, where the fuck are you?

You ok?

See post on top mine.

See mine.

Try think hard.

ELVIS

10-19-2006, 03:02 PM

Ummm...

Like I got it 'n stuff...:rolleyes:

ELVIS

10-19-2006, 03:09 PM

I had heard there might be a real Alcatrazz reunion, in fact Yngwie said something about it himself, but this is what were gonna get...

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Not so easy is it, Simon ??

:D

Yngwie's better off leaving Graham Bonnet alone...

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-19-2006, 03:10 PM

You make me wonder...

ELVIS

10-19-2006, 03:11 PM

I don't think Yngwie over plays this live version...

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ELVIS

10-19-2006, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
You make me wonder...

That's part of my goal here at the Army...

Thankya verymuch...

:elvis:

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-19-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
That's part of my goal here at the Army...

Thankya verymuch...

:elvis:

You certainly don't make me wonder in amazement...

ELVIS

10-19-2006, 03:20 PM

And I wonder if Vai or even the great Dave Mustaine inspire people to do this ??

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:elvis:

MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-19-2006, 03:21 PM

How dare you say God's name in vain.

:D

ELVIS

10-19-2006, 03:28 PM

SparkieD

10-19-2006, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
I don't think Yngwie over plays this live version...

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I saw that one and hated the way he kept doing those mini-leads where it was rhythm on the studio version.

ELVIS

10-19-2006, 11:00 PM

Yeah, but he had to do something in an attempt to cover up what Graham was doing...;)

SparkieD

10-19-2006, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by ELVIS
Yeah, but he had to do something in an attempt to cover up what Graham was doing...;)

Yeah, I guess you're right, Man.

Revan

10-20-2006, 03:27 AM

Alcatrazz without Yngwie isn't even worth the attention. Unless you're a Graham Bonnet fan, in which case you should really sit down and figure out what exactly is wrong with you. Graham a poor hard rock - metal singer, he's an awful frontman in so far as audience interaction is concerned, and even he admits metal isn't really his thing as far as music is concerned. Seriously - that guy has balanced his career on the weight of Since You've Been Gone for 25 years now. Virtually every album he records has a remake of that song or All Night Long or something else from that Rainbow album. He got lucky in 1979 and has been riding it since. I'm sorry but that's the definition of pathetic right there. This whole Alcatrazz Featuring Graham Bonnet thing is just another example of how he continually tries to ride off the successes that other musicians brought him. Even when Alcatrazz was starting, they were forced into playing more than half of that Rainbow album whenever they played live. It's ridiculous, really.

binnie

10-20-2006, 06:50 AM

Sorry: a Graham Bonnet fan?

Didn't know there were any....

flappo

10-20-2006, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
They're both uninteresting tossers...

he DOES have a point

for all their musical dexterity has either one penned anything even remotely approchaing van halen 1's even lesser songs ?

i think not

evh rules even now , and ya know what

i don't think he does or should GIVE A SHIT

:D

ELVIS

10-20-2006, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by flappo

for all their musical dexterity has either one penned anything even remotely approchaing van halen 1's even lesser songs ?

:D

Yngwie has done it at least once...

But he's the opposite of Edward in the sense of releasing something like 21 albums, some with double the number of songs found on a good Van Halen record...

It's seemingly impossible to listen to it all...

And I do admit that ALOT of it is crap...

Kilkmaru

10-20-2006, 07:39 PM

Steve vai. Tender Surender says it all.

Soul Reaper

10-21-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by flappo
he DOES have a point

for all their musical dexterity has either one penned anything even remotely approchaing van halen 1's even lesser songs ?

I didn't VHI had a lesser song....:)

Nitro Express

10-27-2006, 02:12 AM

I think Buckethead is a faster shredder than either. LOL! Malmsteen comes out quite exciting but he spins the guitar around his damn head way too many times, fake plays with his teeth too much, and dances around like he's got a cob up his ass. Yngwie's stage presence is like driving a golf ball and it starts off in the right direction and then slices off into the shit. He plays fabulouse but not all the elements are there to call it dazzling.

Steve Vai never moved me or caused me to get goose bumps.

BB King has moved me. So has Jimmy Page. Eddie Van Halen gave me fucking goose bumps when he was the man. Hendrix facinated me with his magic. Even Ace Frehley got my attention with some really good guitar riffs that hold up even today.

Steve Vai is tastless and odorless.