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DrMaddVibe
10-16-2006, 06:39 PM
The Associated Press

Published: October 16, 2006


HUSHAN, China China has been building a massive barbed wire and concrete fence along parts of its border with North Korea in the most visible sign of Beijing's strained ties with its once-cozy communist neighbor.

Scores of soldiers have descended on farmland near the border-marking Yalu River to erect concrete barriers 2.5 to 4 meters (8 to 15 feet) tall and string barbed wire between them, farmers and visitors to the area said.

Last week, they reached Hushan, a collection of villages 20 kilometers (12 miles) inland from the border port of Dandong.

"About 100 People's Liberation Army soldiers in camouflage started building the fence four days ago and finished it yesterday," said a farmer, who only gave his surname, Ai. "I assume it was built to prevent smuggling and illegal crossing."

Though the fence-building appears to have picked up in the days following North Korea's claimed nuclear test last week, experts said the project was approved in 2003. Experts and a local Hushan official, who requested anonymity because of the project's sensitivity, said the military was in charge of the building.

A Defense Ministry spokesman, Ye Xing, declined comment, saying he was not authorized to release information on border security.

The fence marks a noticeable change in China's approach to its North Korean neighbor. In the decades following their shared fight against U.S.-led U.N. forces in the Korean War, China left their border lightly guarded, deploying most of its forces in the northeast toward its enemy, the Soviet Union.

But the border became a security concern for Beijing in the past decade, as North Korea's economy collapsed and social order crumbled in some places. Tens of thousands of refugees began trickling across the border into northeast China, fording the Yalu and Tumen rivers or walking across the ice in winter.

Professor Kim Woo-jun at the Institute of East and West Studies in Seoul said China built wire fences on major defection routes along the Tumen River in a project that began in 2003, and since September this year, China has been building wire fences along the Yalu River.

"The move is mainly aimed at North Korean defectors," Kim said. "As the U.N. sanctions are enforced ... the number of defectors are likely to increase as the regime can't take care of its people ... I think the wire fence work will likely go on to control this."

But he said he also believes that Beijing wants to firmly mark its border with the North along the two rivers.

Kim said China and the North drew their border in a secret treaty. That treaty wasn't reported to the United Nations and therefore does not apply to a third country, like South Korea. China is concerned that South Korea may claim a different border after absorbing or unifying with the North.

Reporters who visited the border area in the past week saw about 500 meters (1,640 feet) of newly erected barbed wire fence north of Dandong, mainly along river banks and occasionally broken up by mountain areas or military guard posts.

A duck farmer in Hushan, who would only give his surname Han, said that soldiers began putting up the fence near his farm last Monday afternoon — the same day that North Korea claims to have carried out an underground nuclear test.

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Associated Press correspondents Alexa Olesen in Beijing and Jae-soon Chang in Seoul contributed to this report.

HUSHAN, China China has been building a massive barbed wire and concrete fence along parts of its border with North Korea in the most visible sign of Beijing's strained ties with its once-cozy communist neighbor.

Scores of soldiers have descended on farmland near the border-marking Yalu River to erect concrete barriers 2.5 to 4 meters (8 to 15 feet) tall and string barbed wire between them, farmers and visitors to the area said.

Last week, they reached Hushan, a collection of villages 20 kilometers (12 miles) inland from the border port of Dandong.

"About 100 People's Liberation Army soldiers in camouflage started building the fence four days ago and finished it yesterday," said a farmer, who only gave his surname, Ai. "I assume it was built to prevent smuggling and illegal crossing."

Though the fence-building appears to have picked up in the days following North Korea's claimed nuclear test last week, experts said the project was approved in 2003. Experts and a local Hushan official, who requested anonymity because of the project's sensitivity, said the military was in charge of the building.

A Defense Ministry spokesman, Ye Xing, declined comment, saying he was not authorized to release information on border security.

The fence marks a noticeable change in China's approach to its North Korean neighbor. In the decades following their shared fight against U.S.-led U.N. forces in the Korean War, China left their border lightly guarded, deploying most of its forces in the northeast toward its enemy, the Soviet Union.

But the border became a security concern for Beijing in the past decade, as North Korea's economy collapsed and social order crumbled in some places. Tens of thousands of refugees began trickling across the border into northeast China, fording the Yalu and Tumen rivers or walking across the ice in winter.

Professor Kim Woo-jun at the Institute of East and West Studies in Seoul said China built wire fences on major defection routes along the Tumen River in a project that began in 2003, and since September this year, China has been building wire fences along the Yalu River.

"The move is mainly aimed at North Korean defectors," Kim said. "As the U.N. sanctions are enforced ... the number of defectors are likely to increase as the regime can't take care of its people ... I think the wire fence work will likely go on to control this."

But he said he also believes that Beijing wants to firmly mark its border with the North along the two rivers.

Kim said China and the North drew their border in a secret treaty. That treaty wasn't reported to the United Nations and therefore does not apply to a third country, like South Korea. China is concerned that South Korea may claim a different border after absorbing or unifying with the North.

Reporters who visited the border area in the past week saw about 500 meters (1,640 feet) of newly erected barbed wire fence north of Dandong, mainly along river banks and occasionally broken up by mountain areas or military guard posts.

A duck farmer in Hushan, who would only give his surname Han, said that soldiers began putting up the fence near his farm last Monday afternoon — the same day that North Korea claims to have carried out an underground nuclear test.

___

Associated Press correspondents Alexa Olesen in Beijing and Jae-soon Chang in Seoul contributed to this report.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/16/asia/AS_GEN_China_NKorea_Fence.php



Where's the outrage when China builds a wall?

Sovereignty.

kennyboy
10-16-2006, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Where's the outrage when China builds a wall?

Sovereignty.

It's not like this is the first time they built a wall, you dumb asshole.

Is this an imigration issue for you? Is that what you are getting at? Is this about some brown person taking your job?

The borders of our country are not secure because the Bush Administration NEVER FUCKING BOTHERED TO SECURE THEM! Where's the outrage, indeed!

How's that for some pre-911 mentallity?

LoungeMachine
10-16-2006, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by kennyboy
It's not like this is the first time they built a wall, you dumb asshole.

Is this an imigration issue for you? Is that what you are getting at? Is this about some brown person taking your job?

The borders of our country are not secure because the Bush Administration NEVER FUCKING BOTHERED TO SECURE THEM! Where's the outrage, indeed!

How's that for some pre-911 mentallity?

LMMFAO

5 stars :D

DrMaddVibe
10-16-2006, 06:56 PM
So its okay for them but not for us?

kennyboy
10-16-2006, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
So its okay for them but not for us?

You'll have to ask the Bush that question.

LoungeMachine
10-16-2006, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
So its okay for them but not for us?


If China jumped off a bridge.....

would you do it too?





:rolleyes:


Cuntgrats on the single weakest Front Line question of all time....

LoungeMachine
10-16-2006, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
So its okay for them but not for us?

Yeah, and China also tortures dissidents and controls the media.....

You guys sure have China-Envy


LMAO

DEMON CUNT
10-16-2006, 08:54 PM
HA HA!

It's been a real NEOCON OWN-A-THON around here lately.

No wonder some of them have been maintaining such a low profile lately.

DrMaddVibe
10-16-2006, 09:09 PM
Mexico May Take Fence Dispute to U.N.

By JENNY BARCHFIELD
The Associated Press
Monday, October 9, 2006; 10:22 PM



PARIS -- Mexico's foreign secretary said Monday the country may take a dispute over U.S. plans to build a fence on the Mexican border to the United Nations.

Luis Ernesto Derbez told reporters in Paris, his first stop on a European tour, that a legal investigation was under way to determine whether Mexico has a case.

The Mexican government last week sent a diplomatic note to Washington criticizing the plan for 700 miles of new fencing along the border. President-elect Felipe Calderon also denounced the plan, but said it was a bilateral issue that should not be put before the international community.

Derbez said Monday after meeting with French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy that it was a "shame" U.S. immigration policy had been used for what he claimed was a short-term political gain in the lead-up to midterm elections in the U.S. in November.

He said he discussed the issue with Douste-Blazy, and planned to bring it up in meetings with his Spanish and Italian counterparts during visits to Madrid and Rome. He vowed to work on the case until the "very last day" of President Vicente Fox's term, which ends Dec. 1.

The U.S. Senate approved the border fence bill last month and President Bush has said he will sign it into law _ despite last-minute pleas from the Mexican government for a veto.

"What should be constructed is a bridge in relations between the two countries," Derbez said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/09/AR2006100900788_pf.html

ELVIS
10-16-2006, 09:16 PM
At least Clinton tried to build a fence...

DrMaddVibe
10-16-2006, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
At least Clinton tried to build a fence...

What, around the truth?

ELVIS
10-16-2006, 09:31 PM
~Ha!~


:D

FORD
10-16-2006, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
So its okay for them but not for us?

So you admit that you want a authoritarian fascist state in this country, like China?

ELVIS
10-16-2006, 09:37 PM
Building a fence would make us a fascist state ??

Nickdfresh
10-16-2006, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
So its okay for them but not for us?

NO! IT'S NOT OKAY!! That's it, I'm voting against the Chinese Communist Party in the next election!

Nickdfresh
10-16-2006, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Building a fence would make us a fascist state ??

No, stringing concertina wire across the border would make one stupid if they thought it would stop illegal immigrants...

FORD
10-16-2006, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Building a fence would make us a fascist state ??


Well, looking at these recent historical examples.........

http://timworstall.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/berlinwall.jpg
Berlin Wall (1961 - 1989)

http://fauxnewschannel.com/israel_wall.jpg
Likud Israel's Wall of Apartheid

.......I would have to say YES!!

ELVIS
10-16-2006, 09:47 PM
That doesn't make any sense...

FORD
10-16-2006, 09:52 PM
What? Building walls to imprison people?

No, it doesn't. :(

DEMON CUNT
10-16-2006, 09:57 PM
Fences not only keep people out, fences keep people in.

Mexican immigrants wouldn't come here illegally if Americans wouldn't employ them illegally.

This immigration issue is in fact a self-inflicted wound.

Nickdfresh
10-16-2006, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
At least Clinton tried to build a fence...

No idiot, Clinton DID build a fence! Why do you think Mexican immigrants statistically stay here longer after the initiative passed in 1993 or 94? Because they can no longer move as freely through border checkpoints as they once did. Prior to this, Mexicans merely rushed border patrol checkpoints, with several hundred immigrants bum-rushing in a stampede, often risking the lives of the Border Patrol agents. The fences now prevent them from easily congregating around said checkpoints without detection. That is also why they must make an arduous trek through the desert to come to a country which tries to keep them out and hates them, yet offers them a job once here.

ELVIS
10-16-2006, 11:48 PM
LMAO!

You truly are an idiot...

ELVIS
10-16-2006, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT

This immigration issue is in fact a self-inflicted wound.

So, that means don't do anything about it now ??

FORD
10-16-2006, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
So, that means don't do anything about it now ??

It's WHAT to do about it. Since you're employed in the health care industry, you should get this analogy....

Treating the symptoms won't do shit in the long run, if you don't address the cause of the illness.

Nickdfresh
10-16-2006, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
LMAO!

You truly are an idiot...

Oh really? Then tell me why then? Is it that I don't know what I'm talking about? Go ahead, tell me why you phony; you monosyllabic assdoucher...

ELVIS
10-17-2006, 12:05 AM
GO FUCK YOURSELF with your bullshit comments, Nick...

Enough already...:rolleyes:


Ok FORD, what is the cause of the illness ??

FORD
10-17-2006, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
GO FUCK YOURSELF with your bullshit comments, Nick...

Enough already...:rolleyes:


Ok FORD, what is the cause of the illness ??

In a word.... NAFTA.

Nickdfresh
10-17-2006, 12:08 AM
Oh, look at the Neocon-bitch have a temper tantrum...

LoungeMachine
10-17-2006, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
GO FUCK YOURSELF with your bullshit comments, Nick...




Quoting the Bible again?

LoungeMachine
10-17-2006, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Oh, look at the Neocon-bitch have a temper tantrum...

Capt. Bedpan is getting testy.



Poor baby:D

ELVIS
10-17-2006, 12:22 AM
Haha...:D

I forgot what we were talking about...

Oh yeah, NAFTA...

Nickdfresh
10-17-2006, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Capt. Bedpan is getting testy.



Poor baby:D

Must of had a lot of crusty enemas tonight...

ELVIS
10-17-2006, 12:33 AM
Ok...:rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
10-17-2006, 07:26 AM
"Duh, me Elvira, me smart..."