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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Army Times says: Dump Rummy the Dummy!

    Originally posted: November 4, 2006
    'Rumsfeld must go'

    Posted by Frank James at 6:16 am

    No one will ever confuse the Army, Navy, Marine and Air Force Times publications for the Nation or Salon.com. They are not known as redoubts of liberal journalism.

    Instead, they are newspapers that provide tremendous amounts of useful information to service members and their families.

    Which makes their call for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld more arresting.

    Editor & Publisher, a newspaper trade journal, reports the publications will, in editorials Monday, demand that Rumsfeld resign.

    That the demand should occur just before Election Day is merely a coincidence, Alex Neill, managing editor of the Army Times, told E&P.

    "This is not about the midterm elections," the editorial says. "Regardless of which party wins Nov. 7, the time has come, Mr. President, to face the hard bruising truth:

    "Donald Rumsfeld must go."

    E&P obtained an advance copy of the editorial which I reproduce below.


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    "So long as our government requires the backing of an aroused and informed public opinion ... it is necessary to tell the hard bruising truth."

    That statement was written by Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent Marguerite Higgins more than a half-century ago during the Korean War.

    But until recently, the "hard bruising" truth about the Iraq war has been difficult to come by from leaders in Washington. One rosy reassurance after another has been handed down by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: "mission accomplished," the insurgency is "in its last throes," and "back off," we know what we're doing, are a few choice examples.

    Military leaders generally toed the line, although a few retired generals eventually spoke out from the safety of the sidelines, inciting criticism equally from anti-war types, who thought they should have spoken out while still in uniform, and pro-war foes, who thought the generals should have kept their critiques behind closed doors.

    Now, however, a new chorus of criticism is beginning to resonate. Active-duty military leaders are starting to voice misgivings about the war's planning, execution and dimming prospects for success.

    Army Gen. John Abizaid, chief of U.S. Central Command, told a Senate Armed Services Committee in September: "I believe that the sectarian violence is probably as bad as I've seen it ... and that if not stopped, it is possible that Iraq could move towards civil war."

    Last week, someone leaked to The New York Times a Central Command briefing slide showing an assessment that the civil conflict in Iraq now borders on "critical" and has been sliding toward "chaos" for most of the past year. The strategy in Iraq has been to train an Iraqi army and police force that could gradually take over for U.S. troops in providing for the security of their new government and their nation.

    But despite the best efforts of American trainers, the problem of molding a viciously sectarian population into anything resembling a force for national unity has become a losing proposition.

    For two years, American sergeants, captains and majors training the Iraqis have told their bosses that Iraqi troops have no sense of national identity, are only in it for the money, don't show up for duty and cannot sustain themselves.

    Meanwhile, colonels and generals have asked their bosses for more troops. Service chiefs have asked for more money.

    And all along, Rumsfeld has assured us that things are well in hand.

    Now, the president says he'll stick with Rumsfeld for the balance of his term in the White House.

    This is a mistake.

    It is one thing for the majority of Americans to think Rumsfeld has failed. But when the nation's current military leaders start to break publicly with their defense secretary, then it is clear that he is losing control of the institution he ostensibly leads.

    These officers have been loyal public promoters of a war policy many privately feared would fail. They have kept their counsel private, adhering to more than two centuries of American tradition of subordination of the military to civilian authority.

    And although that tradition, and the officers' deep sense of honor, prevent them from saying this publicly, more and more of them believe it.

    Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the troops who bear its brunt.

    This is not about the midterm elections. Regardless of which party wins Nov. 7, the time has come, Mr. President, to face the hard bruising truth:

    Donald Rumsfeld must go.

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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    #2
    While they claim "this is not about the midterm elections", it doesn't take rocket science to realize that a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress would lean on the Chimpministration a lot harder than the Repukes have, when it comes to dumping Dumbsfeld.
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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10620

      #3
      I guess these Army Times writers aren't Bush Propagandists since they write from a viewpoint you agree with, huh FORD?

      What happens next time if they write something you disagree with. You'll flip-flop.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49125

        #4
        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
        I guess these Army Times writers aren't Bush Propagandists since they write from a viewpoint you agree with, huh FORD?

        What happens next time if they write something you disagree with. You'll flip-flop.

        Weak. Another personal attack post from the town idiot with no game.

        Do you have an opinion on anything, or just a hard-on for Ford and op-ed spam?

        BTW, nice article on how Rummy "was right" about terrorism! LMFAO

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58754

          #5
          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
          I guess these Army Times writers aren't Bush Propagandists since they write from a viewpoint you agree with, huh FORD?

          What happens next time if they write something you disagree with. You'll flip-flop.

          Quite possibly. Just like when "American Conservative" magazine writes something I disagree with. Or the CATO institute. Or that treasonous PNAC piece of shit warmonger Richard Perle.

          Or your whiny assed neocon self, for that matter.

          But in this case, all of the above are correct in their opposition to Donald Rumsfeld.

          And the only way to reign in Rummy is to reign in the Republicans in Congress.
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          • DrMaddVibe
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6658

            #6
            "For two years, American sergeants, captains and majors training the Iraqis have told their bosses that Iraqi troops have no sense of national identity, are only in it for the money, don't show up for duty and cannot sustain themselves."


            For that reason alone...we should pull out. The UN isn't going to help. Iraqi's aren't going to help.
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            • LoungeMachine
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jul 2004
              • 32555

              #7
              Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
              "For two years, American sergeants, captains and majors training the Iraqis have told their bosses that Iraqi troops have no sense of national identity, are only in it for the money, don't show up for duty and cannot sustain themselves."


              For that reason alone...we should pull out. The UN isn't going to help. Iraqi's aren't going to help.

              WTF:confused:

              Since when did you start making so much sense?


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              • DEMON CUNT
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Nov 2004
                • 3240

                #8
                Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                For that reason alone...we should pull out. The UN isn't going to help. Iraqi's aren't going to help.
                Cut and run?

                So you expect the UN and Iraqis to clean up the mess that Bush made? When Bush can't even clean it up?
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                • DrMaddVibe
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 6658

                  #9
                  Just like the WMD's...there's no mess.
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                  • DEMON CUNT
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 3240

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                    Just like the WMD's...there's no mess.
                    Iraq is a country in civil war complete with religious cleansing and destroyed infrastructure. No mess you say?
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                    • Va Beach VH Fan
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                      • Dec 2003
                      • 17913

                      #11
                      Very surprising article IMO...

                      Not the subject of the article itself, but rather that the "Times" magazines would actually publish them...

                      Most of us who served realize that while those mags provide a lot of great policy information and stuff like that, we always knew that they weren't official military publications.
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