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ULTRAMAN VH
11-26-2006, 10:58 AM
A Profiling In Courage
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Posted 11/22/2006

Homeland Security: Kudos to US Airways. Risking fines and a boycott, it did the right thing this week by removing a group of Muslim men from a flight to protect its crew and passengers.

By most accounts, the six bearded men were behaving suspiciously at a time when airports were on high alert for sky terror during the holidays. "There were a number of things that gave the flight crew pause," an airline spokesman said. According to witnesses and police reports, the men:

• Made anti-American statements.

• Made a scene of praying and chanting "Allah."

• Asked for seat-belt extensions even though a flight attendant thought they didn't need them.

• Refused requests by the pilot to disembark for more screening.

Also, three of the men had only one-way tickets and no checked baggage.

Police had to forcibly remove the men from the flight, whereupon they were taken into custody. A search found no weapons or explosives, and they were released to continue on their journey.

Within hours, the men enlisted a Muslim-rights group to make a stink in the press, insisting they were merely imams returning home from an Islamic conference in Minneapolis. They say they were "harassed" because of their faith.

But were they victims or provocateurs?

All six claim to be Americans, so clearly they were aware of heightened security. Surely they knew that groups of Muslim men flying together while praying to Allah fit the modus operandi of the 9/11 hijackers and would make a pilot nervous. Throw in anti-U.S. remarks and odd demands about seat belts, and they might as well have yelled, "Bomb!"

Yet they chose to make a spectacle. Why? Turns out among those attending their conference was Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who will be the first Muslim sworn into Congress (with his hand on the Quran). Two days earlier, Ellison, an African-American convert who wants to criminalize Muslim profiling, spoke at a fundraiser for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim-rights group that wasted no time condemning US Airways for "prejudice and ignorance."

CAIR wants congressional hearings to investigate other incidents of "flying while Muslim." Incoming Judiciary Chairman John Con-yers, D-Mich., has already drafted a resolution, borrowing from CAIR rhetoric, that gives Muslims special civil-rights protections.

While it's not immediately clear whether the incident was a stunt to help give the new Democratic majority cover to criminalize airport profiling, it wouldn't be the first time Muslim passengers have tried to prove "Islamophobia" — or test nerves and security.

Two years ago a dozen Syrian men caused panic aboard a Northwest Airlines flight by passing bags to each other as they used the lavatory. As the plane prepared to land, they rushed to the back and front of the plane speaking in Arabic.

Then there's the case of Muhammed al-Qudhaieen and Hamdan al-Shalawi, two Arizona college students removed from an America West flight after twice trying to open the cockpit. The FBI suspected it was a dry run for the 9/11 hijackings, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. One of the students had traveled to Afghanistan. Another became a material witness in the 9/11 investigation.

Even so, the pair filed racial-profiling suits against America West, now part of US Airways. Defending them was none other than the leader of the six imams kicked off the US Airways flight this week.

Turns out the students attended the Tucson, Ariz., mosque of Sheikh Omar Shahin, a Jordan native. Shahin has been the protesters' public face, even returning to the US Airways ticket counter at the Minneapolis airport to scold agents before the cameras.

In an Arizona Republic interview after 9/11, he acknowledged once supporting Osama bin Laden through his mosque in Tucson. FBI investigators believe bin Laden set up a base in Tucson.

Hani Hanjour, who piloted the plane that hit the Pentagon, attended the Tucson mosque along with bin Laden's onetime personal secretary, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. Bin Laden's ex-logistics chief was president of the mosque before Shahin took over.

"These people don't continue to come back to Arizona because they like the sunshine or they like the state," said FBI agent Kenneth Williams. "Something was established there, and it's been there for a long time." And Shahin appears to be in the middle of it.

CAIR asserts the imams are peace-loving patriots. "It's inappropriate to treat religious leaders that way," a spokesman said.

Yeah, they all wear halos. Omar Abdul-Rahman, a blind sheikh, is serving a life term for plotting to blow up several New York landmarks. Imam Ali al-Timimi, a native Washingtonian, is also behind bars for soliciting local Muslims to kill fellow Americans. Imams in New York were recently busted for buying shoulder-fired missiles. Another in Lodi, Calif., planned an al-Qaida terror camp there.

We could go on and on. Imams or not, US Airways did right by its customers. Shahin is calling on Muslims to boycott the airline; that might actually work in its favor. US Airways has been flooded with calls from Americans saying it just became the safest airline.


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ULTRAMAN VH
11-26-2006, 12:02 PM
Kinda funny how these so called peace loving patriots don't spend more time ostracizing terrorists from their faith based organizations. It is absurd to say an entire race or ethnicity is hell bent on the destruction or conquering of the world. Yet this subtle approach in the quiet form of Political Correctness creeps on to American shores with the power of a trojan horse.

FORD
11-26-2006, 01:36 PM
For someone to blasphemously steal John Fitzgerald Kennedy's title "Profiles In Courage" and apply them to this sickening paranoia against a few holy men saying prayers is truly pathetic.

Profile in courage? Try Profile in Cowardice. Last time I checked we were supposed to have freedom of religion in this country

And what the fuck is Bill "Free Willy" O' Neill doing running an "investment" website anyway?? :confused:

ULTRAMAN VH
11-26-2006, 01:57 PM
How comfortable would you have been, if you were a passenger on that flight, Furd??

Nickdfresh
11-26-2006, 02:19 PM
How heroic! Throwing the Muslim equivalent of priests off a plane for praying, after they had made it through airport security with no problems.

More Republabullshit self-parodies...

LoungeMachine
11-26-2006, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
How comfortable would you have been, if you were a passenger on that flight, Furd??


A free society is not designed for your "comfort", asshole.


I'm not comfortable with the thought of you being allowed to breed [assuming you could get laid] but it is your right to knock some trailer trash up and then get married.

We just have to accept that.

ULTRAMAN VH
11-26-2006, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
A free society is not designed for your "comfort", asshole.


I'm not comfortable with the thought of you being allowed to breed [assuming you could get laid] but it is your right to knock some trailer trash up and then get married.

We just have to accept that.

Oh but a free society is designed for comfort, Lounge Fuck. It allows us to step out of our homes without the fear of a suicide bomber greeting us on our porch. It allows the comfort of dining in a fine restaurant without the fear of a bomb going off under our tables. A free society allows you and your band to tour the Holiday Inn circuit without having your fingers and toes cut off for torturing us with your lack of talent. This society allows our best athletes to entertain us on Sunday and if they lose, they are not thrown into a prison and tortured for it. Have a great evening rehearsing your Lawrence Welk medley for the next gig, Lounge Act.

FORD
11-26-2006, 06:20 PM
Ultradouche needs to change his medication. This shit's not working at all.

ULTRAMAN VH
11-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Ultradouche needs to change his medication. This shit's not working at all.

You got a lot of nerve talking about medications CONSPIRACY BOY.

FORD
11-26-2006, 06:56 PM
At least I don't shit my pants when a minister prays according to a 1400 year old religious tradition.

LoungeMachine
11-26-2006, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Ultradouche needs to change his medication. This shit's not working at all.


It is amusing watching him try though......

It's the Front Line's own Corky.

LoungeMachine
11-26-2006, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
Oh but a free society is designed for comfort, Lounge Fuck. It allows us to step out of our homes without the fear of a suicide bomber greeting us on our porch. It allows the comfort of dining in a fine restaurant without the fear of a bomb going off under our tables. A free society allows you and your band to tour the Holiday Inn circuit without having your fingers and toes cut off for torturing us with your lack of talent. This society allows our best athletes to entertain us on Sunday and if they lose, they are not thrown into a prison and tortured for it. Have a great evening rehearsing your Lawrence Welk medley for the next gig, Lounge Act.

Jesus, what planet to do live on?

TURN OFF THE FOX:rolleyes:

ULTRAMAN VH
11-30-2006, 10:24 AM
Marshals decry imams' charges
By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
November 29, 2006


Air marshals, pilots and security officials yesterday expressed concern that airline passengers and crews will be reluctant to report suspicious behavior aboard for fear of being called "racists," after several Muslim imams made that charge in a press conference Monday at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
Six imams, or Muslim holy men, accused a US Airways flight crew of inappropriately evicting them from a flight last week in Minneapolis after several passengers said the imams tried to intimidate them by loudly praying and moving around the airplane. The imams urged Congress to enact laws to prohibit ethnic and religious "profiling."
Federal air marshals and others yesterday urged passengers to remain vigilant to threats.
"The crew and passengers act as our additional eyes and ears on every flight," said a federal air marshal in Las Vegas, who asked that his name not be used. "If [crew and passengers] are afraid of reporting suspicious individuals out of fear of being labeled a racist or bigot, then terrorists will certainly use those fears to their advantage in future aviation attacks."
But Rabiah Ahmed, spokeswoman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said Muslims "have to walk around on eggshells in public just because we don't want to be misconstrued as suspicious. You have to strike a balance between legitimate fears which people may have, but not allow passengers to have so much discretion that they can trigger a process that would violate a traveler's basic civil rights."
"Because one person misunderstood the actions of other law-abiding citizens, they were able to trigger a very long and daunting process for other travelers that were pulled off the plane in handcuffs and detained for many hours before they were cleared."
The imams say they were removed from the Phoenix-bound flight because they were praying quietly in the concourse. They had been in Minnesota for a conference sponsored by the North American Imams Federation.
But other passengers told police and aviation security officials a different version of the incident. They said suspicious behavior of the imams led to their eviction from the flight. The imams, they said, tested the forbearance of the passengers and flight crew in what the air marshal called a "[political correctness] probe."
"The political correctness needs to be left at the boarding gate," the marshal said. "Instilling politically correct fears into the minds of airline passengers is nothing less than psychological terrorism."
The passengers and flight crew said the imams prayed loudly before boarding; switched seating assignments to a configuration used by terrorists in previous incidents; asked for seat-belt extensions, which could be used as weapons; and shouted hostile slogans about al Qaeda and the war in Iraq.
Flight attendants said three of the six men, who did not appear to be overweight, asked for the seat-belt extensions, which include heavy metal buckles, and then threw them to the floor under their seats.
Robert MacLean, a former federal air marshal, expressed the fear yesterday that the situation "will make crews and passengers in the future second-guess reporting these events, thus compromising the aircraft's security out of fear of being labeled a dogmatist or a bigot, or being sued."


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Flight attendants said they were concerned that the way the imams took seats that were not assigned to them -- two seats in the front row of first class, exit seats in the middle of the plane and two seats in the rear -- resembled the pattern used by September 11 hijackers, giving them control of the exits.
A Minneapolis police officer and a federal air marshal who were called to the plane after the imams refused to leave the plane for questioning said "the seating configuration, the request for seat-belt extensions, the prior praying and utterances about Allah and the United States in the gate area ... was suspicious."
One pilot for a competing airline said the incident would have a chilling effect on the flight crews.
"The flight crew may be a little more gun-shy about approaching people, they may have a higher standard for the next few weeks for screening unusual behavior. I hope that's not the case, because I do think US Airways did the proper thing."
Andrea Rader, spokeswoman for US Airways, said its employees "are going to do what is appropriate" to ensure that airplanes are safe and will not be dissuaded by uproar over last week's incident.
"I don't think people will be less vigilant as a result of this, and I think that's appropriate. There is a balance, and I think we will continue to achieve that. Our crews and people on the airplanes are going to watch for behavior that raises concerns."
Many airports offer private rooms for prayer, but CAIR's Miss Ahmed said travelers required to arrive at airports two hours in advance to go through security inspections are too exhausted and must pray at the gate.
"It's convenient to check in then get to the gate and pray there," she said.






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FORD
11-30-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
"Instilling fears into the minds of airline passengers is nothing less than psychological terrorism."


Uh oh.... I think the BCE marshall just gave away the whole game plan.......

BigBadBrian
11-30-2006, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Profile in courage? Try Profile in Cowardice. Last time I checked we were supposed to have freedom of religion in this country



:rolleyes:

Except when it comes to putting on displays about the real meaning of CHRISTmas.

BigBadBrian
11-30-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
but it is your right to knock some trailer trash up and then get married.



So you have no obligations with your ex now?

:D

Nickdfresh
11-30-2006, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
:rolleyes:

Except when it comes to putting on displays about the real meaning of CHRISTmas.

Which is that we should drink a lot of wine and eat big meals in honor of the God Saturnus?

PumpedUpMidget
11-30-2006, 07:35 PM
If people only knew the truth......

FORD
11-30-2006, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
:rolleyes:

Except when it comes to putting on displays about the real meaning of CHRISTmas.

And who's keeping you from putting whatever decorations you want on your own lawn?

Possibly a Nazi "homeowner's association" who thinks Peace On Earth is "Satanic" (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42101) , but other than that, I doubt anyone would have any objections.

But I'll save any other argument about the non existent "war on Christmas" for THAT thread.

LoungeMachine
11-30-2006, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
So you have no obligations with your ex now?

:D


:lol:


asshole:D

ODShowtime
11-30-2006, 08:52 PM
I love bashing ultrawoman as much as the next guy, but this doesn't sound like paranoid bullshit:


Then there's the case of Muhammed al-Qudhaieen and Hamdan al-Shalawi, two Arizona college students removed from an America West flight after twice trying to open the cockpit. The FBI suspected it was a dry run for the 9/11 hijackings, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. One of the students had traveled to Afghanistan. Another became a material witness in the 9/11 investigation.

Even so, the pair filed racial-profiling suits against America West, now part of US Airways. Defending them was none other than the leader of the six imams kicked off the US Airways flight this week.

Turns out the students attended the Tucson, Ariz., mosque of Sheikh Omar Shahin, a Jordan native. Shahin has been the protesters' public face, even returning to the US Airways ticket counter at the Minneapolis airport to scold agents before the cameras.

In an Arizona Republic interview after 9/11, he acknowledged once supporting Osama bin Laden through his mosque in Tucson. FBI investigators believe bin Laden set up a base in Tucson.

Hani Hanjour, who piloted the plane that hit the Pentagon, attended the Tucson mosque along with bin Laden's onetime personal secretary, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. Bin Laden's ex-logistics chief was president of the mosque before Shahin took over.

This is psy-ops from the other side. The real hijackers definitely tried to fit in. I don't think they would have jeopardized the 9-11 mission to pray to allah. I think you can get a deferment if you're doing something important. They shaved.

Point being, this sounds like a pattern of testing defenses, and then later crying wolf in an attempt to make us look bad and make the TSA and airlines more reluctant to harrass muslims.