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BigBadBrian
11-30-2006, 09:22 AM
Democrats Reject Key 9/11 Panel Suggestion
Neither Party Has an Appetite for Overhauling Congressional Oversight of Intelligence

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 30, 2006; A07

It was a solemn pledge, repeated by Democratic leaders and candidates over and over: If elected to the majority in Congress, Democrats would implement all of the recommendations of the bipartisan commission that examined the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But with control of Congress now secured, Democratic leaders have decided for now against implementing the one measure that would affect them most directly: a wholesale reorganization of Congress to improve oversight and funding of the nation's intelligence agencies. Instead, Democratic leaders may create a panel to look at the issue and produce recommendations, according to congressional aides and lawmakers.

Because plans for implementing the commission's recommendations are still fluid, Democratic officials would not speak for the record. But aides on the House and Senate appropriations, armed services and intelligence committees confirmed this week that a reorganization of Congress would not be part of the package of homeland-security changes up for passage in the "first 100 hours" of the Democratic Congress.

"I don't think that suggestion is going anywhere," said Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.), the chairman of the Appropriations defense subcommittee and a close ally of the incoming subcommittee chairman, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.). "That is not going to be their party position."

It may seem like a minor matter, but members of the commission say Congress's failure to change itself is anything but inconsequential. In 2004, the commission urged Congress to grant the House and Senate intelligence committees the power not only to oversee the nation's intelligence agencies but also to fund them and shape intelligence policy. The intelligence committees' gains would come at the expense of the armed services committees and the appropriations panels' defense subcommittees. Powerful lawmakers on those panels would have to give up prized legislative turf.

But the commission was unequivocal about the need.

"Of all our recommendations, strengthening congressional oversight may be among the most difficult and important," the panel wrote. "So long as oversight is governed by current congressional rules and resolutions, we believe the American people will not get the security they want and need."

Now Democrats are balking, just as Republicans did before them.

The decision will almost certainly anger commission members, as well as families of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, many of whom have pressed hard for implementation of the recommendations.

"The Democrats pledged to implement all the remaining 9/11 reforms, not some of them," said former representative Timothy J. Roemer (D-Ind.), who served on the commission.

Carie Lemack, whose mother was in one of the jets that hit the World Trade Center, echoed that sentiment: "It wasn't a Chinese takeout menu, the 41 recommendations. You have to do all of them."

Democratic leadership dust-ups this month severely limited the ability of House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) to implement the commission's recommendations, according to Democratic aides.

Pelosi strongly backed Murtha for House majority leader, only to see him soundly defeated by Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (Md.). That chain of events made it difficult for her to ask Murtha, a longtime ally, to relinquish control of the intelligence budget from his consolation prize, the chairmanship of the Appropriations defense subcommittee, according to Democratic sources.

Likewise, a controversy over the choice of a new chairman of the House intelligence committee proved to be a factor in the decision. The Sept. 11 commission urged Congress to do away with traditional term limits on the intelligence committees to preserve continuity and expertise, a recommendation the House implemented in 2003. But in her search for a reason to drop the committee's most senior Democrat, Jane Harman (Calif.), from the panel, Pelosi fell back on the tradition of term limits. She has decided to pass over the intelligence committee's second-ranking Democrat, Alcee L. Hastings (Fla.), as well.

To the Sept. 11 commission, the call for congressional overhaul was vital, said former New Jersey governor Thomas H. Kean (R), the commission's co-chairman. Because intelligence committee membership affords lawmakers access to classified information, only intelligence committee members can develop the expertise to watch over operations properly, he said. But because the panels do not control the budget, intelligence agencies tend to dismiss them.

"The person who controls your budget is the person you listen to," Kean said.

Those people, the appropriators, do not seem to care much, he said. The intelligence budget is a small fraction of the nearly $500 billion overseen by the armed services committees and the appropriations panels' defense subcommittees. Kean said that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), an Armed Services Committee member, told the Sept. 11 commission that if his panel spends 10 minutes considering the intelligence budget, it has been a good year.

"We think this is extremely crucial," Kean said of a reorganization shifting budget authority to the intelligence committees. But, he added, there are "a lot of old bulls in both parties who just don't want to do it."

In 2004, the Senate tried to reach a compromise on the issue, proposing to create intelligence subcommittees under the House and Senate appropriations committees. The appropriators would maintain most of their power, but at least distinct panels would have to watch over intelligence spending.

The idea went nowhere in the House. To make it work, total spending on intelligence would have to be declassified, another commission recommendation that Congress has rejected. Besides, Young said, an intelligence subcommittee effectively exists in the form of the Appropriations defense subcommittee chairman and ranking member, who have taken serious interest in intelligence spending.

Democratic aides yesterday chose to talk up what they will do in the opening hours of the 110th Congress. Plans are not complete, but the incoming Democratic majority is likely to expand efforts to stop the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons; ensure the interoperability of communications equipment so first responders can communicate more effectively; develop a comprehensive screening system for air cargo; and establish a civil-liberties board to protect the public against intelligence agencies expanding their reach.

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112901317_pf.html)

Lqskdiver
11-30-2006, 10:18 AM
Consider this the first of many.

FORD
11-30-2006, 02:45 PM
All I see here is a bunch of rumors and speculation with the only "source" being quoted is a 'Puke from Florida. And we all know how honest they are :rolleyes:

Steve Savicki
11-30-2006, 03:44 PM
Shouldn't there be a "Republicans breaking promises" thread as well?

BigBadBrian
11-30-2006, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Steve Savicki
Shouldn't there be a "Republicans breaking promises" thread as well?

Where have you been for the last three years, Steve?

Steve Savicki
11-30-2006, 04:27 PM
Oh, okay, I guess a thread titled that isn't necessary then.
The Front Line says it all!

PlexiBrown
11-30-2006, 04:47 PM
Shouldn't there be a "Republicans breaking promises" thread as well?

Republicans take a regular bashing here from a few which is cool but the democrats, now that they have power, will do and say things that will bring bashing, and bashing just as justified as the republican bashing. This is one reason why the whole political thing and putting your faith in a particular party is a joke. It is aways the same shit in different forms from both sides! There are a few exceptions but the people who run this country (both the democrats and republicans) should be ashamed of themselves and their behavior is childish at best. Bunch of pampered "what's in it for me" spoiled assholes. BOTH SIDES.

BigBadBrian
11-30-2006, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Republicans take a regular bashing here from a few which is cool but the democrats, now that they have power, will do and say things that will bring bashing, and bashing just as justified as the republican bashing. This is one reason why the whole political thing and putting your faith in a particular party is a joke. It is aways the same shit in different forms from both sides! There are a few exceptions but the people who run this country (both the democrats and republicans) should be ashamed of themselves and their behavior is childish at best. Bunch of pampered "what's in it for me" spoiled assholes. BOTH SIDES.

True enough. Good post.

:)

Nickdfresh
11-30-2006, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
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Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112901317_pf.html)

So, how does the article state that Democrats are "breaking promises?"

They aren't even in control yet...

FORD
11-30-2006, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Republicans take a regular bashing here from a few which is cool but the democrats, now that they have power, will do and say things that will bring bashing, and bashing just as justified as the republican bashing.

But they DON'T have that power yet, and they haven't had the opportunity to do anything to be bashed for. That's the problem here. This is a "preemptive bashing" of the Democrats based on absolutely nothing in reality.

IF the Democrats get in power and then fuck up, of course there will be bashing. Depending on HOW they fuck up, some of that bashing might even come from me. But they get a fair chance to start undoing the BCE's damage first.

ODShowtime
11-30-2006, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Republicans take a regular bashing here from a few which is cool but the democrats, now that they have power, will do and say things that will bring bashing, and bashing just as justified as the republican bashing. This is one reason why the whole political thing and putting your faith in a particular party is a joke. It is aways the same shit in different forms from both sides! There are a few exceptions but the people who run this country (both the democrats and republicans) should be ashamed of themselves and their behavior is childish at best. Bunch of pampered "what's in it for me" spoiled assholes. BOTH SIDES.

This is the argument many people made around here while supporting criminals.

Most of the people who made this argument were shameless conservatives. And they supported republicans simply because they didn't know any better.

Rest assured the dems will start getting more corrupt again as they gain power. It's a law of nature. Having a divided goverment between executive and legislative branches is the key.

LoungeMachine
11-30-2006, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Where have you been for the last three years, Steve?


www.laurabrannigan.com

FORD
11-30-2006, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
www.laurabrannigan.com

Laura "rockin out " with some Go-Go's wannabe band on America's favorite Disco Cop show, CHiPs!!

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PlexiBrown
11-30-2006, 10:02 PM
Most of the people who made this argument were shameless conservatives. And they supported republicans simply because they didn't know any better.

I am NOT a conservative.

Rick Allen
11-30-2006, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by FORD
But they DON'T have that power yet, and they haven't had the opportunity to do anything to be bashed for. That's the problem here. This is a "preemptive bashing" of the Democrats based on absolutely nothing in reality.

IF the Democrats get in power and then fuck up, of course there will be bashing. Depending on HOW they fuck up, some of that bashing might even come from me. But they get a fair chance to start undoing the BCE's damage first.

The Democrats are just as bad. Democrats are only interested in getting theirs cocks sucked and pushing Prozac and Ritalin on Children.

Democrats need to wake up and get a clue about taking care of business.


:rolleyes:

Rick Allen
11-30-2006, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by FORD
But they DON'T have that power yet, and they haven't had the opportunity to do anything to be bashed for. That's the problem here. This is a "preemptive bashing" of the Democrats based on absolutely nothing in reality.

IF the Democrats get in power and then fuck up, of course there will be bashing. Depending on HOW they fuck up, some of that bashing might even come from me. But they get a fair chance to start undoing the BCE's damage first.

The Democrats are just as bad. Democrats are only interested in getting theirs cocks sucked and pushing Prozac and Ritalin on Children.

Democrats need to wake up and get a clue about taking care of business.


:rolleyes:

FORD
11-30-2006, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by Rick Allen
The Democrats are just as bad. Democrats are only interested in getting theirs cocks sucked and pushing Prozac and Ritalin on Children.

Democrats need to wake up and get a clue about taking care of business.


:rolleyes:

"Rick", I believe I can state without any fear of contradiction that you are the single biggest piece of shit to ever post on this website. And you know damn well why I'm saying so.

At least Democrats get their dicks sucked by consenting adults. Unlike your clients, and a good number of your Republican heroes.

And while I'm no fan of Prozac or Ritalin, there are worse things you can push on children.

And what kind of a sick fuck makes a career out of defending people like that, "Rick"?

Be thankful you don't live in a Muslim country, or you might resemble your namesake. Except it wouldn't be an arm you would lose...... more like a third leg.

Which is exactly what your so called "clients" deserve, you sick bastard.