VH REUNION Vs. THE POLICE [Archive] - The Diamond David Lee Roth Army

pflo

01-28-2007, 10:06 PM

Are you kidding? the Police have a WAY wider fan base. They will get all the young'uns plus the 50 to 60 year olds. Van halen wont get as many oldies. You gotta factor in that Sting alone is a huge draw and will bring in the Volvo crowd. No comparison. This is not a VH reunion tour anyways. They will be playing ampitheaters and sheds, the Police will be multiple nite stadium gigs.

nobody's hero

01-28-2007, 10:09 PM

both

Romeo Delight

01-28-2007, 10:17 PM

The Police are rehearsing right here in Vancouver.

I know exactly where they are playing and they aren't hiding.

Actually pretty cool, but nothing can top Van Halen with ROTH, no matter who is playing bass.

Romeo Delight

01-28-2007, 10:20 PM

I think the amphitheatre thing is because maybe Roth isn't officially signed.

Once he is the promoter will have to change the venues, without a doubt.

The amphithatre gigs are for Coverdale:p

fe_lung

01-29-2007, 08:00 AM

The Police easy. They haven't trashed their legacy the way VH has. Besides which, The Police will show up for every single show they schedule. Van Halen will be a night to night thing. There's no guarantee that VH will make it to the end of the tour.

Wawazat

01-29-2007, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by topjimmy1984
VH nets 60-70 million in tix sales, tour gets extended, box sets and a new album, 2 year lifespan.

Are you optimistic or just plain crazy :confused:

Eddie is involved !

Fuct Jup

01-29-2007, 08:39 AM

Hard Classic Rock is making a huge comeback with younger generation these days. I would think that VH would have large crowds of youngsters that the Police wouldn't appeal to.

WARF

01-29-2007, 08:49 AM

I'm gonna go with the police...

I never heard of a group called VH RENION!

perilousepete

01-29-2007, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Fuct Jup
Hard Classic Rock is making a huge comeback with younger generation these days. I would think that VH would have large crowds of youngsters that the Police wouldn't appeal to.

yeah i agree, most of my friends dig vh but i don't know many hardcore police fans....it's not exactly exciting music

fe_lung

01-29-2007, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by perilousepete
yeah i agree, most of my friends dig vh but i don't know many hardcore police fans....it's not exactly exciting music

Stewart Copeland behind the drums is the definition of excitement.

I think there's a lot less of the "can they still cut it" factor with the police. You KNOW you'll get your moneys worth out of them. Van Halen could be great or it could just be a sad echo of what we all remember.

lafours

01-29-2007, 11:02 AM

VH will be arenas and sheds..the Police will be Stadiums...

plus the Police are touring with legacy intact...

Even though I prefer classic VH over the Police ( the police are in my top 10 anyways)

I would rather go see the Police that Vh with Wolfy...

iF Vh went out with original lineup it would be the opposite..

VH is sadly going to be looked at as a trainwreck/joke no matter how good it is...

PHOENIX

01-29-2007, 11:07 AM

I think the Police will earn more money. They have a wider audience appeal worldwide.

WARF

01-29-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by PHOENIX
I think the Police will earn more money. They have a wider audience appeal worldwide.

I think Sting is a Cock Juggling Thunder Cunt!

PHOENIX

01-29-2007, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by WARF
I think Sting is a Cock Juggling Thunder Cunt!

Thats what ya said about Gary Cherone but that didnt stop you from buying the More Than Words 12 inch Maxi Single off Ebay!:D

WARF

01-29-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by PHOENIX
Thats what ya said about Gary Cherone but that didnt stop you from buying the More Than Words 12 inch Maxi Single off Ebay!:D

So What...
I heard you bought a 12 inch Maxi Pad!!

PHOENIX

01-29-2007, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by WARF
So What...
I heard you bought a 12 inch Maxi Pad!!

LOL

I wasnt expecting that one!

ULTRAMAN VH

01-29-2007, 01:49 PM

I would go see DLR-VH anyday over The Police, but VH has really damaged their rep over the past 20 years and it looks like they are heading out on the road at half speed with a kiddie bass player. The Police will have the original line up and this gives them a huge edge. I really find it hard to believe that DLR is going to agree to tour with this line up. Leave it to the VH sisters to screw things up. 22 years and they still can't get it right.

twonabomber

01-29-2007, 02:40 PM

the Police don't have a disaster of a tour hanging over their head like VH does.

stadium shows are a tough sell these days, i can see the Police in arenas instead.

Steve Savicki

01-29-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Plexi Head
Who cares, I'm glad I get the chance to enjoy the music by both bands.
As long as they can play the music...

Nitro Express

01-29-2007, 02:52 PM

The Police? Ha! Ha! A good band for it's time but do we really want to see a balding British snob yelling;"Daaaaoooooo! Daaaaaaoooooo!" again?.

It was Stewart Copelands drumming that made that band exciting not the squaking egomaniac with the bass.

Jérôme Frenchise

01-29-2007, 02:56 PM

The Police is top of the top shit for me... as long as CVH isn't concerned. Nuff said. :)

perilousepete

01-29-2007, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Nitro Express
The Police? Ha! Ha! A good band for it's time but do we really want to see a balding British snob yelling;"Daaaaoooooo! Daaaaaaoooooo!" again?.

It was Stewart Copelands drumming that made that band exciting not the squaking egomaniac with the bass.

yeah i agree with both of those things...and it the band are few and far between in the states that you'll find doing stadium tours which sucks

hideyoursheep

01-29-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Marcus
He was quoted as saying this sometime in the early 80s:

Andy Summers of the pop/new wave trio the Police called him "a natural virtuoso," adding, "What impresses me is his passion, his spirit and his musicality. Really, I think he is the greatest rock guitarist since Hendrix."

...and he's fucking right.EVERYBODY copied Hendrix in some way prior to VH1. After that................all of you remember missing the strings on the fretboard w/ yer right hand the first time you tried "IT"!:D

hideyoursheep

01-29-2007, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Fuct Jup
Hard Classic Rock is making a huge comeback with younger generation these days. I would think that VH would have large crowds of youngsters that the Police wouldn't appeal to.

I dunno if its the classic angle or that younger folks just still recognize talent over bullshit.
To me, CVH is footbal and the Police is soccer.
GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLL-STFU!!!!!!:sleepy:

perilousepete

01-29-2007, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by hideyoursheep
I dunno if its the classic angle or that younger folks just still recognize talent over bullshit.
To me, CVH is footbal and the Police is soccer.
GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLL-STFU!!!!!!:sleepy:

right on man....talent's runnin thin these days and people are finally relizing that music basically ended somewhere in the mid 90's so they're goin back to their roots

pflo

01-29-2007, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by hideyoursheep
I dunno if its the classic angle or that younger folks just still recognize talent over bullshit.
To me, CVH is footbal and the Police is soccer.
GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLL-STFU!!!!!!:sleepy: Yeah , Stewart Copeland is a hack :rolleyes: Andy Summers doesnt even hammer-on , pffft.

General Hina

01-29-2007, 10:46 PM

The POLICE!! Hands down no contest.

pflo

01-29-2007, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Nitro Express
The Police? Ha! Ha! A good band for it's time but do we really want to see a balding British snob yelling;"Daaaaoooooo! Daaaaaaoooooo!" again?.

Yup,a balding British snob yelling "Daooooo!" or a balding American yob yelling "look at all the people here tonight, I say". Its a tough call.

perilousepete

01-29-2007, 11:09 PM

dude.......but if you think about it, van halen still has the legacy of being the ultimate party band. the police is more of a "go with your dad and your uncle to the show and have a nice relaxing time". van halen, you can still get all your buddies together and get smashed and watch the concert with all of the other young people there. it's just what crowd your into.

Terry

01-29-2007, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by fe_lung
Stewart Copeland behind the drums is the definition of excitement.

I think there's a lot less of the "can they still cut it" factor with the police. You KNOW you'll get your moneys worth out of them. Van Halen could be great or it could just be a sad echo of what we all remember.

It's that very x factor that has me more wary about it than anything else...

Can Ed, Dave, Alex and whoever is playing bass actually pull it off?

In 1996, the thought never crossed my mind, but now I honestly wonder.

madraoul

01-29-2007, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by topjimmy1984
If VH and the police go head to head, here are my guesses. VH nets 60-70 million in tix sales, tour gets extended, box sets and a new album, 2 year lifespan.

police play 30-50 dates, fizzle, 50-60 million. What do you think. I see police reunion as a one time, summer 2007, then it is over.

Stop this comparison madness! '07 proves to be the year rock returns. I saw both bands in their glory days and I couldn't be happier to see them both again. Me Wise Magic of the circular fashion.

kamaboko

01-30-2007, 10:14 AM

My prediction...the Police tour will be the highest grossing tour in 2007 (and 2008 if it extends that far).

kamaboko

01-30-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by pflo
Yeah , Stewart Copeland is a hack :rolleyes: Andy Summers doesnt even hammer-on , pffft.

You're joking, right? I've seen Andy Summers live a few times and he is absolutely fucking amazing on guitar. Way way way under rated. The last show I saw he and the band took requests toward the end of the show. They played anything people threw out. I requested Back in Black....to my fucking amazement....they played it!

fe_lung

01-30-2007, 12:29 PM

Well, The Police at least are willing to give out something official! Just popped up on Yahoo:

The Police to Reunite for Grammy Awards

Tue Jan 30,11:51 AM ET

The Police will reunite to perform at this year's Grammys ceremony, the Recording Academy announced Tuesday.

The award-winning group, which won five Grammys and turned out hits such as "Roxanne" and "Every Breath You Take," will open the event 23 years after breaking up.

The band singer Sting, guitarist Stewart Copeland and drummer Andy Summers fused reggae with pop and rock, and last performed together in 2003 when they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

CBS will air the 49th annual Grammy Awards live from Los Angeles on Feb. 11.

On the Net:

http://www.grammy.com/

http://www.sting.com/

fe_lung

01-30-2007, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by perilousepete
the police is more of a "go with your dad and your uncle to the show and have a nice relaxing time".

That opinion is usually based upon knowing The Police via the last couple albums. Look at the catalog as a whole - there's a lot of energy in there. There first couple of albums have a punk energy similar to The Clash.

By Sychronicity their sound had become more refined (though Synchronicity II still rocked hard) but they still threw down live.

General Hina

01-30-2007, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by perilousepete
dude.......but if you think about it, van halen still has the legacy of being the ultimate party band. the police is more of a "go with your dad and your uncle to the show and have a nice relaxing time". van halen, you can still get all your buddies together and get smashed and watch the concert with all of the other young people there. it's just what crowd your into.

All of the other young people!?!? Are you delusional? The only young person at this concert will be Wolfie.

General Hina

01-30-2007, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by fe_lung
Well, The Police at least are willing to give out something official! Just popped up on Yahoo:

The Police to Reunite for Grammy Awards

Tue Jan 30,11:51 AM ET

The Police will reunite to perform at this year's Grammys ceremony, the Recording Academy announced Tuesday.

The award-winning group, which won five Grammys and turned out hits such as "Roxanne" and "Every Breath You Take," will open the event 23 years after breaking up.

The band singer Sting, guitarist Stewart Copeland and drummer Andy Summers fused reggae with pop and rock, and last performed together in 2003 when they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

CBS will air the 49th annual Grammy Awards live from Los Angeles on Feb. 11.

On the Net:

http://www.grammy.com/

http://www.sting.com/

Looks like the Police are already stealing VH's thunder. The Police tour will be the biggest tour of the year selling out large venues and arenas while VH will hit the medium size outdoor sheds. Without all the original members the VH tour is a joke I'm amazed they were even inducted into the RRHOF this year as they ceased to be a viable musical force in 1996... some would even say 1984. That's 11 or 23 years ago depending on who you ask. The Police collectively stopped recording and touring at the top of their game. VH were pushed out of the music biz with the lack luster VH III. The Police are musical legends while Eddie Van Halen has single handedly mis managed his band so that they are a joke. Bringing Wolfie in on bass is NOT helping the band's legacy. This VH tour is going to be a very sad event. Eddie can't play, Dave can't sing, Alex wears a neck brace and Wolfie's just a kid who's dad has put way to much history on his shoulders. See it as fast as you can because VH 2007 will not make it through the summer.

bueno bob

01-30-2007, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by General Hina
All of the other young people!?!? Are you delusional? The only young person at this concert will be Wolfie.

Van Halen's audience over the years has been consistantly varied in age brackets - late teens/early 20's to early 50's.

Pretty random assumption on your part.

bueno bob

01-30-2007, 04:40 PM

The bottom line is that The Police are as notoriously ill-tempered with each other as Van Halen is...if not more so...based on that alone, neither one of these tours has any likely longevity to it, when you get right down to it...

Marcus

01-30-2007, 04:47 PM

With The Police reunion, at least it is the original band.

And they are getting their wheels in motion, rehearsing in Vancouver. If Van Halen is back with Roth, shouldn't they be getting things in order by now? For all we know Roth could still walk away and they could try getting some no name hack in his place. And that would be suicide at this point.

bueno bob

01-30-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Marcus
With The Police reunion, at least it is the original band.

And they are getting their wheels in motion, rehearsing in Vancouver. If Van Halen is back with Roth, shouldn't they be getting things in order by now? For all we know Roth could still walk away and they could try getting some no name hack in his place. And that would be suicide at this point.

To be truthful, though, I'm of a mind that I'd rather see this whole thing implode and Van Halen become the joke of the century with lead singer #4 and Wolfgang on bass, rather than something kinda half-assed...

Marcus

01-30-2007, 04:58 PM

That's really sad but really true.

All they have to do is hire Mike for a couple of months, and get Ed to lay off the sauce. Can't believe that's so fuckin' hard.

jgdrag

01-30-2007, 05:02 PM

It is deeper than Mike, it is Dave and Ed, Dave and Alex and who knows who else or what else.
However, back to the P vs VH. The police will kick the shit out of Van Halen. Their audience is the money people. The mom and dad crowd.

fe_lung

01-30-2007, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob
The bottom line is that The Police are as notoriously ill-tempered with each other as Van Halen is...if not more so...based on that alone, neither one of these tours has any likely longevity to it, when you get right down to it...

I think the Police will get through it. They have the maturity and mutual respect to show up and honor the dates they've booked - if for no other reason than the work ethic. I doubt you'll see them hanging out together - they probably won't even stay in the same hotel, but they'll make it work for 90 minutes a night and give the whole thing the respect it deserves.

bueno bob

01-30-2007, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by fe_lung
I think the Police will get through it. They have the maturity and mutual respect to show up and honor the dates they've booked - if for no other reason than the work ethic. I doubt you'll see them hanging out together - they probably won't even stay in the same hotel, but they'll make it work for 90 minutes a night and give the whole thing the respect it deserves.

Which is, if there was any fucking justice in this universe, what Roth, Anthony and the Van Halens would be doing right now...

I would be 1000 times more interested in a classic Van Halen reunion than a Police reunion...unfortunately, there's that "Eat Ed's Shit and Get What He Gives Ya" aspect of this (i.e. Wolfgang on bass)...

mott98

01-30-2007, 07:21 PM

Well, the Police, as pointed out above, are way ahead in this game. Got professional PR, not a novice from the porn industry who is boffing the guitar player while he's passed out.....

Professional rehearsals, professional tour machine, proper promotion and media relations, ......

Everything that this Van Halen reunion doesn't have.

Like it or not, there are casual fans of both bands who will have to choose which overpriced ticket to buy this summer, and if VH doesn't get their shit together, that is where a lot of money will go.

Hoss

01-30-2007, 07:35 PM

Both. If their paths crossed, I would pay good money to to hear EVH, DLR, Sting and Stewart Copeland play Roxanne at a sound check or something (with DLR singing of course). Dream on...

PumpedUpMidget

01-30-2007, 07:41 PM

The Police = BFD.....The last good album they put out was Zenyatta Mondatta....Sting's ego matches Eddie's....

stringfelowhawk

01-30-2007, 08:01 PM

I'm alot skeptical about this. I heard about this Police reunion on the radio today and it pretty much took up the entire commercial break. The guy barely even mentioned VH and then it was in passing along these lines, "Oh! and Van Halen are back with Diamond Dave and plan to tour this summer with Eddies son playing base." That pretty much sums up the interest now that another band with a legacy is reuniting. I think it would be alot different if it were truly the original line up but ultimately its already being lost in the news. I want this to happen so fucking bad but it seems the Police are being more open and professional about the whole deal which may allow them to run away with the years biggest tour. Now, having said that. Dave knows how to work PR so I'm thinking this could be the tour that really sneaks in under the radar and just suprises the hell outta of everybody including we true VH fans so I will not count them out. I believe it can be that good if everyone in the band really wants it to succeed I don't see a limit to its success.

pflo

01-30-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by kamaboko
You're joking, right? I've seen Andy Summers live a few times and he is absolutely fucking amazing on guitar. Way way way under rated. The last show I saw he and the band took requests toward the end of the show. They played anything people threw out. I requested Back in Black....to my fucking amazement....they played it! YES, that was a joke. I love Andy Summers too.

pflo

01-30-2007, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by PumpedUpMidget
The Police = BFD.....The last good album they put out was Zenyatta Mondatta....Sting's ego matches Eddie's.... Yup. But they also had THREE good ones before that. The Police are a bigger fish as far as mainstream culture goes, that is just a fact. You will find more "plays" of Police songs (singles) in contemporary radio than VH. VH was an album and tour band. Big difference. Obviously, if I had to choose, it would be CVH all the way, but in MAINSTREAM culture, the Police have the edge.

pflo

01-30-2007, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by fe_lung
I think the Police will get through it. They have the maturity and mutual respect to show up and honor the dates they've booked - if for no other reason than the work ethic. I doubt you'll see them hanging out together - they probably won't even stay in the same hotel, but they'll make it work for 90 minutes a night and give the whole thing the respect it deserves. True. And NONE of the Police members have EVER had booze or drug problems. That goes a long way with the promoters. VH is always a gamble.

fe_lung

01-30-2007, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob
Which is, if there was any fucking justice in this universe, what Roth, Anthony and the Van Halens would be doing right now...

Well, some of that is also due to the fact that Sting gave up coke a long time ago. They can probably handle conflict a little better.

One wonders how Eds substance problems will be affected by touring.

pflo

01-30-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by General Hina
All of the other young people!?!? Are you delusional? The only young person at this concert will be Wolfie. To be fair, there was a surprising amount of kids at the 2004 shows i went to, like teens! I couldnt believe that! For Sambo even! All these hot little April Lavigne type chicks, weird.....

Brett

01-30-2007, 09:11 PM

The Police, no matter if Michael Anthony is with VH or not. The Police are big everywhere and it's hard to argue they weren't bigger than VH when they called it quits.

fe_lung

01-30-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by pflo
True. And NONE of the Police members have EVER had booze or drug problems. That goes a long way with the promoters. VH is always a gamble.

Sting had a pretty big coke habit during the last couple of albums - probably part of the reason that the whole thing fell apart - Andy may have had a drinking problem at one point as well, can't recall. But they're all long under control

Diamondjimi

01-30-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by pflo
Yup,a balding British snob yelling "Daooooo!" or a balding American yob yelling "look at all the people here tonight, I say". Its a tough call.

News for ya dik drip. Sting=not cool......Dave=cool

pflo

01-30-2007, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by diamondjimi
News for ya dik drip. Sting=not cool......Dave=cool You = over-sensitive putz, Me = your overlord. Take a pill, bitch, its a fuckin joke.:cry: You can go now. Take your (balding) Dave action figure with you.

Marcus

01-30-2007, 10:18 PM

The Police have their stuff together and seem organized. And in 2003 at the RRHOF they played together.

What's the deal with the mystery in the Van Halen camp? We get teased and then hear nothing for months.

Diamondjimi

01-30-2007, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by pflo
You = over-sensitive putz, Me = your overlord. Take a pill, bitch, its a fuckin joke.:cry: You can go now. Take your (balding) Dave action figure with you.

Overlord :lol: ...now that's a good one.

How's the jousting coming along?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Federaljim/pflo.jpg

Haha , Picklekisser !:monekyr:

General Hina

01-30-2007, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by mott98
Well, the Police, as pointed out above, are way ahead in this game. Got professional PR, not a novice from the porn industry who is boffing the guitar player while he's passed out.....

Professional rehearsals, professional tour machine, proper promotion and media relations, ......

Everything that this Van Halen reunion doesn't have.

Like it or not, there are casual fans of both bands who will have to choose which overpriced ticket to buy this summer, and if VH doesn't get their shit together, that is where a lot of money will go.

100% correct. Nice post!!

Ice Cream Girl

01-30-2007, 11:09 PM

Sting has more stamina [than Ed] from doing yoga and tantric sex.

The Police could therefore cram in more playdates and handle it, as well as get in the studio and make more new music, even if it's not as good as =VH= stuff.

If Ed could pick up on Dave's energy, they could give the Police a run for their money in the studio and on the road.

Matt White

01-30-2007, 11:13 PM

Shite....

saw the POLICE when they played their own RRHOF gig...

they sounded VERY mediocre......

Ice Cream Girl

01-30-2007, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Marcus
That's really sad but really true.

All they have to do is hire Mike for a couple of months, and get Ed to lay off the sauce. Can't believe that's so fuckin' hard.

Yeah, Christ, some poor people would put up with a lot more bullshit for a lot less money.

Rich people do whatever the hell they want to.

Polk High

01-31-2007, 01:02 AM

i wouldn't walk outside to see the police

bueno bob

01-31-2007, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Marcus
What's the deal with the mystery in the Van Halen camp? We get teased and then hear nothing for months.

Welcome to the world of Van Halen...

:rolleyes:

jgdrag

01-31-2007, 10:47 AM

No tease, there is nothing

jgdrag

01-31-2007, 10:48 AM

No tease, there is nothing, wait, they must be releasing another best of album

pflo

01-31-2007, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by diamondjimi
Overlord :lol: ...now that's a good one.

How's the jousting coming along?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Federaljim/pflo.jpg

Haha , Picklekisser !:monekyr: Thats GREAT!! Can I use that as my avatar? Good work, Sparky! You get a shiny nickle! The jousting? Not bad, but the ostriches take some skill to fly AND catch the eggs.

Bob_R

01-31-2007, 10:58 PM

I had originally voted in the beginning of this thread for VH. I thought it was your typical "Who do you like better thread?"

But, it's not. It's a who's reunion will be bigger.

And, the correct answer is the Police.

POJO_Risin

01-31-2007, 11:12 PM

There is no doubt...the police...

period...

The get along...and respect each other...hate or not...

Copeland did an interview a couple of months ago talking about Sting...

he was talking about how much they respected each other, and that they respected each other TOO much to end up hating each other...

Over the years...they've met several times for different shit...weddings, funerals, birthdays...

the "hate" is all based on the music...

The police...man...HUGE when they stopped...HUGE STADIUM TOURS...

around the world...

It won't be close...not even close...

VH's legacy...had it have happened in 1996...intact...would have produced one of the biggest tours ever...

that's long gone...