Dave fans are going to be compromising

[Rikk]

What's a SHEEP? We've been using this word in VH-land for years.

Well, I see a VH fan sheep as someone that will accept whatever shit is thrown their way by the band and then defend the fuck out of it with other fans as if they are spokespeople of the very band that has screwed them in the ass so many times before.

I've seen it for years with this band...pinheads on the VHML telling me that Gary Cherone being picked over Dave is the best decision for the long-term future of the band...even going so far as to tell me that this is what they were hoping for all along...even when the rest of us could quote this same fan's e-mails raving on about how great it was that Dave is coming back.

Now there are some fans saying, "Fuck it...I'll see Dave."

That's cool. I probably will too.

But to sit and talk about how this is great, the best-case situation, Mike deserved it?

Not one fucking person here hasn't raved on about how the ultimate would be to see the original thing.

And this AIN'T the original thing.

It's Dave, an extra-drunk version of the guitarist, the drummer with a neck-brace and enough hate to start a genocide...and a kid that really doesn't deserve to be up there, no matter what his last name.

This is all agenda-pushing.

Again, will I see it? I may give in.

Hell, I may do that and then call RIKK the Sheep of the Week.

Cuz the truth is, I'm giving in.

But whether I end up seeing it or not, I think it stinks.

As I said in another thread, this ain't about a bunch of fans praying for the return of the mullet head that has betrayed the name of VH plenty of times himself, now by touring with the cheesehead. This is about a bunch of fans sick of being dictated by the guitarist what the ultimate version of Van Halen is...and most fans refuse to accept such dictation when they know the band selling out MSG in 1984 was simply the best this band could be.

Just remember when you're out justifying with other rock fans or in threads how this is all the best situation for Dave and VH...

If the band gets back together with Wolfgang on bass, the band will only be able to tour during the summer for the rest of its existence (or at least for the next few years...if this were more than a quick one-off)...because Wolfgang has school.

Is that rock 'n' roll? No, it's sad. Very, very sad.

Ed knows there's only one way to tour with Dave and keep the spotlight: bring his son along and make the evening as much a father and son story as anything else.

And I would hate to be putting money toward that...

...I wish I could choose which band member gets my dollars.

:ssmile:

[Loons The Great]

Good to hear ya preachin' to the midnight drunken choir, Rikk!! Nothin' but the best and later for the rest!!:D

Wellahhh well well...

[knuckleboner]

totally agree.

[Pasadena Bunnie]

Rikk,

I think many of us feel the same. I am torn on whether to go out and support Dave and see him on stage with Ed, since I missed my golden opportunity back in 1983 or boycott. Problem is: This may very well be the end of such an opportunity, no matter how we choose to observe it. EVH keeps abusing his body and we never know what tomorrow brings.

I hate the idea that Ed is manipulating US, DAVE, MA & this Tour. It pisses me off that the only way this Show is a Go is if it's done Ed's way, but, you realize, Ed feels he can because he is "EDDIE VAN HALEN", ROCK GOD. He feels the title is still intact and so does his brother! His brother is his biggest fan! So, you have EGO v. EGO (Dave, Mike, Irving Azoff, etc.) and then you have US.....the FANS (or Suckers as some might see the situation) who ED depends on to grab our CASH at the end of the day.

What do we do? Live in the moment and go with it.

My plan is to witness this event at the first concert and depending on how much EVH gives me for my $$$ (depending on tix price), I'll decide whether to see an additional performance. If tix are outrageous, I may end up boycotting afterall.

[Rikk]

I agree, Bunnie. That's why I'll probably see it myself.

Hell, I'm gonna see it for one reason: support Dave. That's all I'm interested in concerning this band anymore. This is a Dave tour. This is a Dave site.

But I don't like hearing people spouting off about this being the best scenario or that it won't make a difference who's playing bass. Of course it all makes a difference.

And Eddie Van Halen, even with a guitar in his hand, is a crummy human being.

[Terry]

Just the belief that because Mike has been hanging with Hagar for the last few years - and that this is somehow disloyal to Van Halen - the belief that this somehow negates his right to be included in this reunion is bullshit.

Frankly, the Van Halens don't deserve either Roth OR Anthony to be in the band, and out of the four CVH members, the Van Halens are the two who are least deserving of dollar one from any of us as they gave us the finger ten years ago and went with Cherone.

The whole 2007 deal IS one big compromise. There's no new music, there's not a full-on reunion, and both of these things aren't happening not because they CAN'T, but because Ed is drunk, lazy and stubborn.

About the only excuse I can give for Dave is that he has wanted this to happen more so than any of us, and he's probably taking what he can get along with the rest of us. The Van Halens clearly don't want to reform with Roth, and only make attempts to do so because they know interest in anything they do without Dave is virtually nil these days; Van Halen 3 and Van Hagar 2004 taught them that much.

Anyway, I've finally stopped ping-ponging about this thing, and have decided that I'm gonna try to see it as well if the ticket prices are under $150 bucks...if I'm actually able to GET tickets, that is...but if I can't, I'm not gonna be bummed about it. Have already seen the real deal.

On that note, I'm gonna quit bitching about it as of right now...at least until I get pissed off about it again.

[Pasadena Bunnie]

I'll admit my guilt: I was one who said "Who Cares whether BassPlayer is in or not" - BUT it changed VERY Recently.

Whoever posted from YouTube the clip of CVH from San Paulo, Brazil and the ZZ Top Cover Tune: Beer Drinkers & Hellraisers!

Watching that video and listening to DAVE & MIKE on that song was soooooooo KICK ASS to me, I finally realized that MA has a voice and totally works insync with Dave and it was magic.

This 3 Men and a Baby is pathetic.

It's all about DAVE for this Tour and once it's over, I'm hoping Dave resumes with his current band. When I was at NAMM two weeks ago, I ran into Todd Jensen at the Dean Markley Party and he told me those guys aren't going anywhere and he said it with a smile.....so, hopefully we can expect more from DLR Band after the Fiasco is over, which I assume will be when the School Bell Rings!

[DLR'sCock]

I know and I agree with ya Rikk my bro, but I must go to this tour, and I will as most here will.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by DLR'sCock
I know and I agree with ya Rikk my bro, but I must go to this tour, and I will as most here will.

My friend, you know I'll probably end up going too.

But just once, I wish I could imagine the thought of seeing Eddie Van Halen live and not thinking he's a fucking asshole or that he fucked it up again.

[LoungeMachine]

I wouldn't condone spED's maniacal, egostistical, control freak bullshit moves in the past.....

I'm certainly NOT going to do it NOW because he managed to suck Dave into his bullshit....

Fuck you ed.

You don't give a SHIT about the band's fans, the Cvh legacy, or your own son's well being.

ALL YOU EVER GIVE A SHIT ABOUT IS YOUR OWN GOD DAMN GREED-HEAD SELF.

FUCK YOU DRY WITH A RUSTY CHAINSAW, BITCH.

[BrownSound1]

I'm looking at it like I did Page and Plant. Ed and Dave is what I'm calling it. I respect MA enough to know it isn't VH unless he is there. However, we all know which two wrote the songs, and which two are the most famous and popular in the band.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BrownSound1
I'm looking at it like I did Page and Plant. Ed and Dave is what I'm calling it. I respect MA enough to know it isn't VH unless he is there. However, we all know which two wrote the songs, and which two are the most famous and popular in the band.

There.

Exactly.

Call it whateverthefuckeddietellsyoutocallit.....

Just don't call it VAN HALEN.

Not in my presence anyway.
:cool:

:gulp:

[Panamark]

I remember posting last year, as a joke, that we would all
be fucked if Wolfgang could sing...

Not far off the money, and a little prophetic...

I agree with all the above, but wish to add the following.
What if (and its a huge *if*) Wolfgang is a better bass
player than MA, and Dad has finally got himself back
into form ?

You, I and every other motherfuck here have been happily
proclaiming the excellence of every live boot of Dave's we
have heard and posted, since 19-friggin-99
(When I joined the Army)

How many of these boots included Mike Anthony ??

Fuckit, Im not 100% comfortable with the whole concept
either, but if Wolfgang plays bass, like a teenaged Ed
played guitar.. This could be something fucking awesome..

No father would want to be shown up by his son either !

The Van Halen Band led by Dave Roth !
Rolls off the tongue quite well.....

[rustoffa]

Think of it his way:

At least Dave fans don't have to compromise enough to see van hagar.

The real funny aspect is if van hagar fans compromise enough to see Van Halenwolf!!

I mean, what the fuck are THEY gonna do? Wear paper bags over their heads? Fuck, that'd be grate!!!

AMPHITHEATERMONT!!

Think about it. Amped-up, liquored-up CVH enthusiasts would just bash the bag-headed fuckers' heads to oatmeal on the lawns!

No peripheral vision...no brains. Just a bunch of dipshits shuffling around with targets on top.

"Babay...ah think you should take the bag off yore head.."

"ah hear you, the nachos won't fit through tha hole"

"nah...therz people beating the...."

*FWA-BAM!!!!*

"aww fuck....hold on...I'll take ya to tha hospital."

[jhale667]

You know, Wolfie COULD be the shit for all we know. Not sure I care at this moment. Perhaps I'm(along with every other die-hard CVH fan) being selfish in wanting to see the original line-up together ONE MORE TIME in my lifetime. Fuck it---I'm selfish. At least I'm honest. :(


I feel fortunate to have seen them in their original glory.

...Having said that, I'm probably goin'...I mean, you never know. Wolfie MIGHT be amazing, and the band could be rejuvenated. He could suck, and it might be a gigantic trainwreck. In which case, while it would be a huge bummer on one hand...could be musical comedy on the other!

[Dave's PA Rental]

Say what you want about Michael Anthony's bass playing, his background harmonies were just as important to the synergy of the 6-pack as anyone else. You heard it again on MWM and CGTSNM.

I will go to as many shows as possible. Dave's got a new band.

I am having a very hard time thinking of it as "Van Halen", though.

Because it's not.

I respect Lounge's and anyone else's pov if they boycott this tour.

I wish I were as idealistic.

But i'm not. I've waited my whole life to see Dave and Eddie share the stage.

I don't have any sisters, but I think I now know what it feels like to kiss one...

[Marcus]

I might be wrong, but Wolf isn't the biggest problem. He might be good, and really many bass parts of CVH aren't that hard to play. Still sucks balls that Mike isn't there, but that's not the biggest problem.

Ed being off his rocker is the problem. And that's the one thing that doesn't make sense. Would Dave sign on to this knowing that Ed lost lost his edge? Seeing the video footage of Ed at NAMM this year...I don't know man. He doesn't look that well or sound that well. Better than in 2004, but that's not saying much.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
Say what you want about Michael Anthony's bass playing, his background harmonies were just as important to the synergy of the 6-pack as anyone else. You heard it again on MWM and CGTSNM.

Yup.

I am a fan of classic Van Halen. Those background harmonies are a major element I love in ME WISE MAGIC.

I don't think I'm idealistic enough to miss it myself, PA. But yep...it's really not Van Halen. And there's no fucking reason it can't be. I want the original band back...not a kid who's played bass in his dad's studio for a year.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Marcus
I might be wrong, but Wolf isn't the biggest problem. He might be good, and really many bass parts of CVH aren't that hard to play. Still sucks balls that Mike isn't there, but that's not the biggest problem.

Ed being off his rocker is the problem. And that's the one thing that doesn't make sense. Would Dave sign on to this knowing that Ed lost lost his edge? Seeing the video footage of Ed at NAMM this year...I don't know man. He doesn't look that well or sound that well. Better than in 2004, but that's not saying much.

Sho nuff. I mean, maybe Ed does sound pretty good. But would Dave work with Ed if he didn't have supreme confidence in Ed's abilities? I think he would. Remember, as good as the '96 songs were, Dave didn't really have a lot of confidence in them at the time. He felt he and Ed weren't naturally clicking musically and that the songs had to really be worked at.

[MAX]

Originally posted by Dave's PA Rental
Say what you want about Michael Anthony's bass playing, his background harmonies were just as important to the synergy of the 6-pack as anyone else. You heard it again on MWM and CGTSNM.



I will dot deny the man's contributions.

However, I've NEVER missed nor longed for them (or even noticed their absence for that matter) when I've seen or heard Roth Live.

At the end of the day... Not so important. Infact, when watching Largo '82, his overpowering backing vocals at times are somewhat fucking annoying.

Case in point... "Romeo Delight!!!" Dave's swaggerin', The sisters are rockin' and the endless "baybee please, can't take it anymore" starts to hurt the ear from the endless high pitch blowing outward from his mulletted dome...

[Bo Nozos]

I'll be there. I never saw CVH live, I hate to say. Started going to shows the summer after they broke up. The 5150 tour was my third or fourth concert. Timing's a bitch, that's for sure. I'm going to pay through the nose for this one; I want to be in the front row.

But that said, this isn't the reunion I hoped for. I slag on BassPlayer harder than almost anyone here. I think he's a yes-man and I have next to no respect for him. Give yourself credit -- how likely is it that you would let your bosses feed you a shit sandwich for DECADES and eat it with a smile? You might do it for a while because the dough was good, but not for decades. It takes a special breed to eat that much feces. BassPlayer is that breed. But BassPlayer deserves to be on this tour. I'm bummed he won't be there.

I'm guessing Dave is bummed too. In terms of Van Halen's legacy, and Dave's legacy, this is not the way the "reunion" should go down. I doubt Dave wanted to ride into the wild blue yonder with Eddie's fat fuck of a son playing bass. If and when this tour happens, the press is going to report this piece of it incessantly, and allude to it as something pretty fucking odd. Because it is! A 15-year old playing bass in a band of guys in their 50s. It's beyond stupid.

I see this as Ed's final "Fuck You" to his fans. His drunken, meth-addled way of saying to us, "You are not going to dictate what this band is; it's mine." Not that he could say in a complete sentence like I just did, given his fried brain and half of a tongue. I am pretty sure that this man simultaneously loves our money (and probably needs more of it), but hates that he must convince us to buy tickets to his shows. This is his way of getting the money out of our wallets while keeping some sense of control over the situation. This dude is sad.

I really am prepared to pay for front row seats to this, because I doubt we will ever see Roth and Eddie V. share a stage again and as musicians each is a shadow of himself without the other. A philosopher would have a field day with the co-dependency of this relationship.

I was thinking the other day that I might wear my "It Ain't Van Halen Without David Lee Roth" shirt to the show -- I mean why not, it's fucking true! And then it occurred to me that this guitar player -- who is simultaneously a genius, a retard, and a cripple -- might lose it on stage if he saw someone up front wearing that shirt.

There is no band in the world this fucked up.

[binnie]

You make some great points Rikk, but I think it's time to compromise.

These guys are all in their 50s, and we know that after this reunion another one ain't likely to happen. Dave's back in and its time to get up and go as far as I can see, cos the original four may never share a stage again.

But at least this way you get 75%, which has gotta be better than jack shit. Compromise it is, but the either/or position hasn't worked so well in the past has it?

I guess what I'm saying is that compromise isn't a bad thing. Going to see this reuion doesn't make you a VH Sheep - you can still go and want Mike to be there, and realise that what you're seeing isn't CVH, its Ed and Dave on stage again.

As long as you still recognize that CVH = Dave, Ed, Al and Mike, and defend that from those who think Wolfie should be there, I don't see a problem.

It's not like by going you're turning into one of those guys who claimed to have liked having Gary Cherone in the band, or those who think Sammy-era was as good as Dave-era. Going simply means that you want to see Dave and Ed back together once again, not that you think that this is an ideal situation.

[Bo Nozos]

Speaking of Sheep, what are they saying that the Links? I refuse to check, on principle.

I could see some of the Sheep claiming that Fat Wolfie is a good idea -- new blood, Edward likes it, etc. Agreeing with whatever Ed wants, like fucking zombies.

I could see other Sheep tearing their thinning hair out over the fact that DLR is back in the band, reminiscing about how hot their wives' beer bellies looked at the last Cabo bash and how cool it was to sing along to "Up For Breakfast" during soundcheck on the Fleece the Fans Tour.

[chandra]

ed is calling the shots,having his way,utterly disregarding what the fans want or think n this will last 4 as long as he wants it.the tour will line his pockets,it doesnt look like there is an album at the end of this n dave is putting himself in a precarious position again.however the tour turns out,the whole thing stinks like a dead rat.the hatred is still there,u can hear it their words;it doesnt matter who the vocalist is,he's gonna b surrounded by van halens.
funny how the guitar mags r proclaiming the return of "the worlds greatest guitar god in the world" when all he has done is score two shitty instrumentals 4 a porn movie.reading the issue one would think the motherfucker has new music in the works but its jus an advert 4 a guitar that one would have 2 sell a limb 2 purchase.i trust dave will bring as much class 2 the tour as only he can but it pisses me off that ed is the one in the drivers seat.he called dave a bitch recently,can u imagine that occuring in the classic years?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Panamark

What if (and its a huge *if*) Wolfgang is a better bass
player than MA

Considering that Eddie said Wolfie had only been playing bass for "three months" when he announced the kid as the new bass player, I don't see how that's possible.

You don't become Billy Sheehan, John Entwistle, or Geddy Lee in three months. Even less likely when you're 15 years old.

[binnie]

The issue isn't whether Wolfie can play or not though is it?

It's about the orginal four being together...

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by binnie
The issue isn't whether Wolfie can play or not though is it?

It's about the orginal four being together...

proves how much they became the nostalgia act they never wanted to be...line up changes were no big thing back in the beginning...

I didn't give a shit whan bill cryman left the stones either...

[binnie]

So would you guys give a shit if Alex wasn't playing drums either?

[kenny8]

"There is no band in the world this fucked up"

Well, there's Brian May & Roger Taylor telling people they're Queen.

Brian May, friend of Ed. Can see where Ed gets it from.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by binnie
So would you guys give a shit if Alex wasn't playing drums either?

let's put it this way...would I go to see dave? yes...does it matter who he is playing with? not much...would I call it a reunion without bass player? dunno...

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by binnie
So would you guys give a shit if Alex wasn't playing drums either?

That right there would be a complete deal breaker for me, fo sho. Don't know anything about what kind of person Alex is, I only know that he's one of my top all time favorite drummers period. No Al, no Elly...end of story.

I do have a couple of questions though and I need folks who are willing to be honest. See, I got real excited the other night when I read that they were kicking off the tour here in NC. Now I'm reading that ain't the case.

So, for those who have seen Ed play in the most recent tours...was he any good?

Here's my dilemma...I've seen the you tube videos that folks have posted of Dave's most recent tour. He can still sing but even in those videos he did more talking than singing (well except on the tv shows with his bluegrass thing). And I've read from a few of you that in '04 Ed was horrible on stage.

So tell me, honestly....knowing what you've seen in recent years....will Ed be any good on stage?

[binnie]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
let's put it this way...would I go to see dave? yes...does it matter who he is playing with? not much...would I call it a reunion without bass player? dunno...

Ok, I see where you're coming from now....

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by binnie
Ok, I see where you're coming from now....

being a VH fan is not that easy sometimes ;)

[binnie]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
being a VH fan is not that easy sometimes ;)

Ain't that the truth....

[jgdrag]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
being a VH fan is not that easy sometimes ;)


Sure it is, you either agree or you do not agree
ie. spammy joins VH, don't agree= don't buy shit and don't support anything VH, kick them to the curb, move on

what are you left?
Remembering only when they were Kings

Eddie being a great guitarist doesn't give him any right to be an asshole!

Did MA bend over for spammy or did MA say FU to the sisters? I tend to believe the later,what would we do if we were in MA shoes after all those years of Ed's decisions? I believe MA did the same as Dave did, just took him longer due to the fact he was the bass player and not in the spotlight.

I was still undecided, however, first sign of trouble, and I believe I just experienced it, thanks to AVH, I refuse to me made fool of because Edward needs some cash or he wants to play with his son!
Eddie, you can't fool all of the people all of the time!

I do believe Wolfie is the reason Dave is even being given a chance.

RIP Van Halen 02/10/78-04/01/85

[jgdrag]

Double post

[jgdrag]

As far as AVH, talk about riding on somebodies coat tails. You can't get anymore than AVH, no wonder they kept him hidden behind the drums! What has he really done anyway?
No Alex=no Edward

Here lies the greatest band
RIP Van Halen
02/10/78-04/01/85
Big Rock

PS, DLR fans don't comprimise!!!
We Eat Them and Smile!

[conmee]

Brethren and Sistren,

It is grate to see so much emotion, passion, conviction, covicted felons in one thread. :) I don't have time on my hands like I did in the old days to post regularly (p.s. Windows Vista is available so go buy it and help BillG to boost my salary and drive the stock higher please. lol)

As FORD, Brownsound, Pojo, and the rest of the old-timers, and myself, we've seen the original lineup. I know what it's like to have DLR up there in attack formation, leading the spectacle, delivering the goods, orchestrating a precision strike of rock n roll like a smart bomb delivered to the exact point in your temporal lobe that registers when a good rock n roll asskicking has been delivered.

I don't even look at this as Page/Plant (that's Brown's way of not feeling bad when he parts with his money to see this show...lol). I'm not even going to list all the reasons (spiritually, emotionally, historically) why any other lineup than the original is just a bad idea. But for me, the decision is easy. I've seen the real deal. And even though it's tough to remember what day the trash get's picked up, let alone a concert 23 odd years ago with copious herb having been partaken of throughout, I still have enough recollection to go to my grave knowing I saw the original in their prime. And that's enough to get me through yet another half-assed attempt by Edward to do it his way.

From a practical standpoint, I think many folks take for granted the visual show and the backing vocals. Sure, we've all harped on it and talked about it, but the backing vocals and MA's harmonies will be sorely missed, even if Wolfgang is the 2nd coming of Billy Sheehan or Geddy Lee (on this point, I actually MIGHT see them if Sting took up the bass duties.. lol).

I saw DLR last November in Tacoma, and it was a great show. Now, how is he going to interact with a 15 year old on stage? Is he going to share a mic and sing some choruses with the kid? Is he going to hang his arm around him with the trademark DLR grin as they sing a line filled with sexual innuendo? And how will Edward feel when he sees his own son bonding with DLR, a man Edward loves to hate? You want to see a trainwreck? The day Edward walks into a room with DLR and Wolfgang surrounded by naked chicks and fat spliffs, don't think it'll warm his heart as a father. On the contrary, it'll feed Edward's insecurities, and that'll be the end of the tour... until Wolfgang and DLR go on tour as the "Other Third..." or something crazy like that... lmao...

Ok, back to reality. Seriously, Wolfgang won't be able to sing the backing vocals. And does anyone want to see DLR reaching down between his legs for any reason with a 15 year old 10 feet from him on stage?!?! All this begs the question.... are we going to have to get a G-Rated version of the infamous Van Halen? Is that what the delay and negotiations center on? "C'mon Dave, the bass player is 15 years old, and even though I make porno soundtracks and talk a good game, the kid isn't hittin' the poontang just yet. For chrissake, look at him, he's in his awkward phase, and even my last name isn't getting him laid yet... " lmao....

So it'll be an interesting dynamic. Not sure DLR will act his usual self. DLR showing any kind of restraint is not the DLR I want to see and remember.

I won't fault anyone for going to see this edition, but respectfully count me out. I don't need to see Edward and DLR on stage together that badly. And I certainly don't want that image of Van Wolfgang juxtaposed next to timeless memories of the 1984 tour. Sometimes it's better not to go back.


Carry on!

Icon.

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by conmee
Sometimes it's better not to go back.




Even though I've never seen them at all due to age and finances.

That one sentence sums up my apprehension about going to this show.

[jgdrag]

Bang on. I was fortunate to see then in 1982, and that was good enough for me!

Van Halen
RIP
78-85

[kamaboko]

Funny as hell. Yeah, can you imagine this conversation between wolfie and daddy?

Wolfie: "Shit dad, DLR rocks. Why'd you get rid of him?"
EVH: "fuck you....you're fired, and...you're out of the will. you don't get a fucking dime".

[DavidLeeNatra]

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[jgdrag]

Why can I see this happening exactly like the video just posted except Ed and Al will be chaseing Dave cause the kid wants to hand with DLR
I gotta watch again, Eddie chasing Hagar

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by conmee
Brethren and Sistren,



Carry on!

Icon.


Notre Dame still sucks.

Frighten the Irish.

Out!

[VanHalener]

Originally posted by conmee
Brethren and Sistren,

Sometimes it's better not to go back.


Carry on!

Icon.

NEGATIVE!

Stay on board!

Ride that wave, right up to the end.

There's a little magic left and you don't want to miss it.:hitch:

[jgdrag]

Originally posted by vanhalener
NEGATIVE!

Stay on board!

Ride that wave, right up to the end.

There's a little magic left and you don't want to miss it.:hitch:

I'll quote Dave,"the light at the end of the tunnel is the front of an oncoming train!"

[conmee]

Vanhalener,

I applaud your optimism. But this "tour" isn't about magic. It's about money. And I'm not one to bash money-making. It's perfectly legal and American. lol

But the little magic is probably sitting in 5150 on a DAT or other media after the failed 2000 reunion. When Edward, DLR, Alex, and Michael ran through some old tunes and recorded a few new ones... and the hands fell off the clock type magic. That doesn't happen without all four.

No, my friends, the only magic will be how quickly Edward is able to separate so many faithful from their hard earned dollars. :)

Carry on!

Icon.

[lafours]

agree with you 100%. I might go to a show but I am not totally excited about it... At this stage in the game why should Vh do it half assed when they could go out with a bang?

And I can't stand the Spedward double standard..it was ok when him and Al brought Sammy into the band but now that they are on the outs with him no one else can hang out with Sam? Sounds like some kind of gay love affair gone wrong...

they should do the 40 dates with Mike, go out full blown VH style...the big rock, the big show, total nostalgia..make it an awesome gift to the diehard fans that put them in the RNR hall of fame.. then end the band and start a new one with Wolfie and a new singer....

I am kinda bummed that Dave is on board with this...

[Bill Lumbergh]

First of all it's 74-85.........just cuz their first record came out in 78, people always say or write 78-85, which bothers me for some fucking reason(yes, I've got mental issues!). Secondly, I agree with most of the points here, but I will be going to the show...........I go to ANY and EVERY Dave show anywhere remotely close to me, so why not go to Dave/Ed 07'?! Ed's never "coming back".......he's too far gone, and I'm sure a 40 date tour is gonna suck the fucking life outta him, and we wont hear of or see him again till he's on the fucking slab..........

[conmee]

Bill,

Good point on seeing DLR anywhere and everywhere. I can't fault the logic, especially here at the DLR Army (or did we change the name to Roth Army recently... lol)... as you say, if I can watch DLR and Vai or DLR and Kilgore playing the classics, why not see 3/4th?

My main answer to that is we've seen DLR (at least I have in VH, with EEAS, in Vegas, DLR Band, etc) and we've seen him on his own terms.

Nothing about Van Wolfang 07 is on DLR's own terms. We may get a watered down DLR for contractual reasons, although he's never one to mail in a performance. We may get the VH Family + DLR and who knows what kind of freak show that could become.

I'm going out on a limb here, but go over to VH Links and ask the sheep what they thought of the Van Hagar reunion tour. Ask them if the love of money was enough for Edward to play halfway decent and for Sammy and Mike to not just mail in the performance. By all accounts, that entire tour sucked, and not just because it was Van Hagar or three crappy new tunes. It was because there was animosity and lack of respect up on stage. When it's a money grab, the only winners are the one's doing the grabbin'. lol The suckers in the audience get a watered down facsimile of the original.

All I'm saying is if DLR is on stage with Edward on DLR's terms, Michael is part of the lineup, not a 15 year old kid, bless his soul.

That for me is the sad reality, the clear-cut distinction between this and any other DLR show I've gone to. DLR pulled no punches, promised a bill of goods and delivered. With Edward, I'm not sure you'll get the face value of the ticket in terms of entertainment, nostalgia, good vibes, etc.

Carry on!

Icon.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I totally agree with that, and obviously things CAN change prior to shelling out for the tickets.......certainly there's some apprehension there, and there should be, these tickets are gonna cost a fortune most likely. I think the aspect that freaks me out the most is a "toned down DLR".......if after the official announcement he's hardly saying anything, or not being himself, I may just say "fuck it".

[jgdrag]

Being a diehard VH fan from 78(would of said 74, but I wasn't a fan then,nor did they release anything to the general public), I find it easier to accept Edward as Edward and say, Fuck it, he is lost and ain't coming back.
A watered down DLR is not going to sit well with most of us here. I believe, we live for the true meaning of the Van Halen attitude, which is to me, all out backyard, tailgate, don't bring the children, hold onto your wife, fuck the neighbours, take your job and shove it, where's the beer,get out and swim attitude.
As we (true CVH fans) have gotten older, we have begun to see our heroes in their true light?
Eddie is an asshole! see Dave, Valerie,spammy,Michael
Alex see Eddie
Dave's best years are behind him
Even bassplayer called it a day

I am starting to think I am holding on to something that can't be brought back to life. The sequel is never as good as the original

I hope I am wrong, but EVH and AVH most recent quotes leave me little room for excitement.
I can see EVH using Dave just to get into the RRHOF and then dumping Dave again like 1996?

[chandra]

the same thing will happen again,i fear.the resentment against dave is still there with the brothers.the best years of van halen were with dave as creative director.n thats not the case now.n i hate 2 see dave compromising in any way 2 these motherfuckers.just stinks.
that kind of closure is probably not what he had in mind.

[Hollywood Jesus]

My, my, my... Ain't the Dave & Eddie show enough? That's the ticket I'm buying.

I just saw Aerosmith with a stand-in bass player and it was the shit. Tyler and Perry tore it up. Dave and Eddie attempting to outduel each other will overshadow any need for MA's playing or spectacular vocals. You won't have noticed whether he was even there.

Don't worry about Wolfie. Uncle Dave will love introducing another prodigy to the world. ("Lookit my new g'tar playah right here, I say.") And Ed already knows that Dave can aim a spotlight like nobody's business so "Dad" won't care. Wolf adds another spark of the unknown to the adventure.

And Wolfie won't tone down the tone. My son is a month older than Wolf. Already he's censoring stuff he doesn't think I can handle. And my boy don't live in Hollywood.

People, we're looking at a bunch of talented single guys with big chips on their shoulders and a healthy dose of animosity. That's rock 'n' roll genius waiting to explode!!!

[jgdrag]

Or did Eddie bring in Wolfie to take some of the spotlight off of Dave?
If Dave even makes it to the show?

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by BrownSound1
Ed and Dave is what I'm calling it.
Just the Dave and Eddie show:
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[bueno bob]

Well, I guess I'm going. My true feelings on the subject are pretty well known, and I think the whole thing is bullshit. I don't understand why David would agree to it, unless he figures this is the only way it'll ever happen...I don't understand how Ed and Al can possibly think it's a good idea...

But I'll be there, and the downside to that is that by doing so, I'm really kinda playing into Ed's hands. And I really hate to say that, but it's the reality of the situation. Ed figures that people will show up if Dave's at the mic, and Mike's absence, while enough to piss people off, will be overshadowed to the point where people'll eat it and say "Well, it's close to cvh, I guess..."

Rikk's basically spot-on in his original post. This does suck shit and it just proves all the more how out of touch with reality Eddie is and how adament he is that the fans of Van Halen will NEVER be happy. And why? It's HIS band, and he wants everybody to acknowledge it.

Half of the time I'm almost hopeful that this whole thing implodes before it ever happens...the other half, God help me, I'm actually anticipating being there...

What a disaster Van Halen is.

[jgdrag]

I was there BB until Alex and Eddie opened their mouths and said one way or another we will tour and whoever is singing will be surrounded by Van Halens. That statement broke the camels back and I don't see Dave being a part of it. I gave Edward the boot in 85 and will gladly do it again! Besides, I've seen their best already,anything else would be a letdown.

[bueno bob]

Well, if it goes to lead singer #4 and Wolfgang it'll be the rock and roll joke of the century, no doubt of that.

It'll make the Gary Cherone era look completely serious by comparison...

Heheheheh...

[jgdrag]

The hard pill to swallow will be supporting these guys for all those years and getting a final kick in the nuts is not at all what I imagined.
Besides, I ain't wearing a cup!

[Vinnie Velvet]

I doubt very much that there would be a singer 4.

The contracts may not be finalized (depending on who says it is and isn't), but I'm sure they damn well say 'David Lee Roth' on them.

Meaning the contract is for a Dave-fronted VH tour -- nothing more.

[kamaboko]

Originally posted by binnie


But at least this way you get 75%, which has gotta be better than jack shit. Compromise it is, but the either/or position hasn't worked so well in the past has it?




75%....hmmm...that's a C. not even a C+. come on...how eager are you to pay up the ass for a C show? at least i can say i saw them when they were good: VH1....yeah...the first album. play a fucking skate rink. last show i saw was 1984. nah...once you've had the real coke....no point in tasting watered down pepsi.

[Rikk]

Icon and other Rotharmy folk,

Yeah, the sad thing is that this is not a feel-good reunion. It has to create controversy.

In '96, what controversy did us VH loyalists have (before it all went bad)?

Sam being kicked out and badmouthed.

Dave being back and great stories of him sitting at the house with the family.

Two amazing kickass tunes that fans were dying to hear.

A hilarious appearance on MTV.

"Welcome Back, Dave" commercials...again courtesy of MTV.

Us Roth loyalists felt vindicated and excited that the whole world seemed happy to see the fat tequila salesman go.

Now...what do we have to feel good about? 11 years of being lied to, complete silence, bad vibes, being ripped off several times, a tour three years ago deceivingly titled the "Reunion Tour".

Until '96, everyone wanted to see Dave back...then for 11 years, he and VH became the butt of jokes. This was Ed's fault...for the most part.

Now, it's just not even half as exciting. But at least they could do it right...but even that's not possible.

NO promise of new songs.

NO original line-up.

NO respect for fans that have been salivating for this for long enough.

ONLY a fucking kid playing bass to satisfy Ed's ego and expensive tickets with probably few interviews, etc. Dave will be kept on a leash...and the saddest thing is that the band will be most likely to only want to discuss Wolfgang and not one of the biggest reunions in rock 'n' roll history.

How have KISS fans felt with two guys replacing Ace and Peter and wearing their make-up? Pretty upset.

This ain't that different.

Gene Simmons doesn't like Ace Frehley and Peter Criss that much...but at least he was smart enough to hire both of them for long-term in '96...

...because he knew what the fans wanted was bigger than his own ego.

...for a time anyway.

Again, I will probably see this. I support Dave.

But man, it pisses me off.

[binnie]

Originally posted by kamaboko
75%....hmmm...that's a C. not even a C+. come on...how eager are you to pay up the ass for a C show? at least i can say i saw them when they were good: VH1....yeah...the first album. play a fucking skate rink. last show i saw was 1984. nah...once you've had the real coke....no point in tasting watered down pepsi.

Ok, I see your point.

But your lucky, you saw them during the classic era. I wasn't born until 1982, so this is gonna be as good as I'm likely to get....

[bueno bob]

You know, what we always seem to come back to is 1996. 1996 was THE year for Classic Van Halen to give us all something to remember...

Of course, we got Gary Cherone, years of silence, "Fleece the Sheep" '04 and now Wolfgang Van Halen...

I'm almost afraid to ask if it can possibly get any sillier...I'm scared of the answer...

[Rikk]

Originally posted by bueno bob
You know, what we always seem to come back to is 1996. 1996 was THE year for Classic Van Halen to give us all something to remember...

Of course, we got Gary Cherone, years of silence, "Fleece the Sheep" '04 and now Wolfgang Van Halen...

I'm almost afraid to ask if it can possibly get any sillier...I'm scared of the answer...

Bingo.

This whole thing has just left a bad taste in my mouth. And I suppose only a full album and tour with the original line-up could help me forget 11 years wasted.

This latest news is more like dinner scraps.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Rikk
Bingo.

This whole thing has just left a bad taste in my mouth. And I suppose only a full album and tour with the original line-up could help me forget 11 years wasted.

This latest news is more like dinner scraps.

Well...I'm not as certain about a new studio album (although I'll eat my words gladly if they can recapture the spirit of '96), but I'm definitely all for an original line up full scale reunion tour...