Everyone wants to know WHY Dave isn't talking..Ed's doing all the yapping.

[bantonelli]

I've seen many threads on the ARMY and DDLR.com asking WHY Dave is being silent about the Official Announcement ?

Many opinions point to Dave being held media hostage by the Sisters, as well as the fact that the only press you are hearing from is ED and his Porn/Publicist-turned current girlfriend, Janie.

After much thought, I realized that this is Brilliance on Dave's part:

- WHY should Dave say anything that may turn sour mid-tour or before it begins?

Dave has left it in the hands of Meth"ED" & his Girl to do all the dirty work, which makes ED look like a loser if he doesn't follow thru on the committment of the Tour. Perhaps Dave is a bit of a skeptic, like many of us who wonder if the Sisters and Wolf can handle a 40-gig tour and have a good time?

Ed, is, of course, loving the spotlight on himself and his girl to bring the fans the news, BUT, if it all falls apart before School is back in session, WHO are we going to look at as being a SCHMUCK who has just embarrassed himself in the press and for his namesake?

Dave knows the answer and so do we.

Silence is truly golden...

;)

[NathanRay]

I think What it all comes down to is the performance at the RRHOF.

[Don Corleone]

Timing is everything

[Plezbo]

I agree with the first post. It was Dave's mouth that lead to VH breaking up in '96. Now don't take that the wrong way, it was not his fault in any way, but solely the fact that Edwina saw the ridiculously positive response to Dave announcing that they were back together and shat himself. I guess he had thought that he would still be the face of VH even with DLR back, but lets face it, noone outshines DLR, even when he isnt trying. I think this is a calculated move to let Eddie do all the talking, let Eddie bask in the limelight, and then come tour time, Rock some fucking faces. I don't know about you guys, but I am getting front row tickets (Aunt works for the group in Philly that runs the Spectrum and Wacko Center) and bringing my girlfriend. I would be honored if Dave found her enough up to his standards to steal her away and just totally genitally ruin her (yes, I realize that I am terrible for saying this about someone I supposedly love, but hell, she makes me listen to Fallout Boy). If Dave fucks her, I'll know that I am doing something right. Anyway, I can't even translate how crazily excited I am about this, fucking incredible.

[PHOENIX]

Originally posted by bantonelli
I've seen many threads on the ARMY and DDLR.com asking WHY Dave is being silent about the Official Announcement ?

Many opinions point to Dave being held media hostage by the Sisters, as well as the fact that the only press you are hearing from is ED and his Porn/Publicist-turned current girlfriend, Janie.

After much thought, I realized that this is Brilliance on Dave's part:

- WHY should Dave say anything that may turn sour mid-tour or before it begins?

Dave has left it in the hands of Meth"ED" & his Girl to do all the dirty work, which makes ED look like a loser if he doesn't follow thru on the committment of the Tour. Perhaps Dave is a bit of a skeptic, like many of us who wonder if the Sisters and Wolf can handle a 40-gig tour and have a good time?

Ed, is, of course, loving the spotlight on himself and his girl to bring the fans the news, BUT, if it all falls apart before School is back in session, WHO are we going to look at as being a SCHMUCK who has just embarrassed himself in the press and for his namesake?

Dave knows the answer and so do we.

Silence is truly golden...

;)

Dave is currently saving all his new Rothism's for the RNRHOF and for the tour.

Once that shit kicks off you can bet his mouth will be non stop.

[kamaboko]

Because ED, the boss, told him to keep his mouth shut.

[spmusicplyr]

dave has to keep his mouth shut and just shut the hell up because he fucked '96. he's probably nervous to fart

[spmusicplyr]

bernice,

when are you going to come to san pedro to see me?

miss you,
john

[DLRdelight!]

i also think that the rrhof will set the stage for what we are going to see on this tour. mostlikely it will be the first time we see van halen with wolfgang on bass. that will be a crucial point for this reunion

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by kamaboko
Because ED, the boss, told him to keep his mouth shut.

Doubtful. Ed is WHO's boss? Get Real.


:confused:

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by spmusicplyr
bernice,

when are you going to come to san pedro to see me?

miss you,
john

When you stop saying that Dave fooked up '96.

Miss you too.;)

[DrMaddVibe]

Golden, diamond...meh, still top shelf in my book!

[ELVIS]

This thread is pointless...

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by ELVIS
This thread is pointless...

Elvis, thank you very little.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by ELVIS
This thread is pointless...

stop being such a grouch :D

this is a good thread

I think a lot of what bantoneli says is true and I also think that Dave is busy doing a lot of the planning the way he always has. There is a lot to do and I'll bet Dave is involved in all of it.

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by diamondsgirl
stop being such a grouch :D

this is a good thread

I think a lot of what bantoneli says is true and I also think that Dave is busy doing a lot of the planning the way he always has. There is a lot to do and I'll bet Dave is involved in all of it.

DG - as always, you ROCK! Thanks for the vote of confidence and your point.


Elvis is grouchy because of MA non-involvement, which we have heard him state is opinion and it was well taken. In a polite way, you need to get over it.

[TAKIN WHISKEY]

However it needs to be done to keep this thing together. We will here plenty from Dave, stay tuned.

[Hardrock69]

What is funny is that IF there is an 'Official announcement' or 'pres conference' announcing the tour, Dave will have to be there.

And the press is gonna wanna talk to Uncle Dave, because he gives them fantastic sound bites.

spEd will be able to say stuff like "UUUUULLLLLP!!!!!"

and "He designed the guitar only from photographs...".

Dave on the other hand will pontificate for as long as you will let him if you just ask him some kind of simple question.

The press LOVES Dave, but does not give a rat's ass about spEd.

SO....when it happens, I lookd for spEd to get irate because all the media people will want to talk to Dave, the spotlight will be pretty much on Dave, and spEd will be sobbing afterwards:

"Mommee the reporters were all MEAN to me..*SOB!*".

There is one exception to the above. The one instance where they are REALLY gonna want to talk to spEd will be to crucify him over bassplayer not being involved:

"spEd, have you spoken with Michael Anthony lately?"

"spEd, why aren't you letting him play on this tour, when you know the fans want him to play!!??"

"spEd, do you even care about the fans? Why have you not released any DVD box sets with Van Halen shows from 1978 to 1984?"

"spEd, you asked me to buy you a bottle of Smoking Loon because you ran through your daily case already, so the delivery boy brought you two cases so you won't run out before tomorrow"

"Hey, massah, dey's be a man here.....whisperwhisperwhisper METH whisperwhisper whisper whisper......"

"spEd, are you going to suck Spammy's Cock at the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame ceremony?"


Afterwards.....


"*SOB!* Mommee the reporters were all MEAN to me..*SOB!*".

No matter what Ed does, no matter what he says, no matter what he mumbles.....this IS all about Dave and will ALWAYS be about Dave.

Fuck spEd. He has an opportunity to do something great, and here he is all fucking it up.

If anything, I could see perhaps his son having some kind of band, and being allowed to open for Daddy or something like that.

But no.....fucking spEd is displaying his Special Ed colors for all to say.

Fucking drunk fuckhead motherfucker.
:rolleyes:

I hope his son eats too many cheeseburgers the first night out, falls down and sprains his wrist so bad they have to call in bassplayer to save the tour.


:D

[Irving Azoff]

Two words as to why Dave have been silent: Contractulay Obilgated.

Period. End of discussion.

IMHO, of course.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
This thread is pointless...

You just described 2/3 of Main of late.

Well done.

:gulp:

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by Irving Azoff
Two words as to why Dave have been silent: Contractulay Obilgated.

Period. End of discussion.

IMHO, of course.

Oh really? Mind to elaborate how you know this?

[sadaist]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
You just described 2/3 of Main of late.

Well done.

:gulp:

It would be totally dismal without your insightful and intriguing input as well. I guess you represent the other 1/3.

Well done.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by sadaist
It would be totally dismal without your insightful and intriguing input as well. I guess you represent the other 1/3.

Well done.


Thanks :)

Your happiness is my one overriding concern.

:gulp:

[Hyman Roth]

Dave is being silent because he is ashamed of being a part of this charade.

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
Dave is being silent because he is ashamed of being a part of this charade.

I can relate to this, Hyman. I think Dave's intentions from the beginning, during ROTH RADIO days, was to get the original band back in good faith. I'm sure he's shaking his head over the end result of negotiations with his collegue and how embarrassing this is and not what he ever challenged the "reuniting" to be.

[Nitro Express]

My gut tells me Dave is going for some revenge. He's going to let Eddie do all the yakking, stay low and quiet. Then do the shit out of it on stage. If it bombs, it's the Van Halens fault and not his because they were the ones promoting it and they were the ones who didn't deliver. Dave isn't selling the goods because he doesn't know if it's quality or not. This thing could be a big pooch screw and if it is, Dave can just say,"What can I say, I tried people and it just didn't work".

[Roth & Roll]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
My gut tells me Dave is going for some revenge. He's going to let Eddie do all the yakking, stay low and quiet. Then do the shit out of it on stage. If it bombs, it's the Van Halens fault and not his because they were the ones promoting it and they were the ones who didn't deliver. Dave isn't selling the goods because he doesn't know if it's quality or not. This thing could be a big pooch screw and if it is, Dave can just say,"What can I say, I tried people and it just didn't work".

This is most likely closer to the truth than any other theory that's floating out there. People need to understand that beyond the stage persona; Dave is a very bright guy. Dave got burned badly by the sisters in '96 and don't think for a second that he's going to get burned again. He learned his lesson.

The only positive that I see coming out of this fiasco is that when Ed fucks it up again, the entire world will know without a doubt exactly whos fault it really was this time around.

[mott98]

Originally posted by bantonelli
I can relate to this, Hyman. I think Dave's intentions from the beginning, during ROTH RADIO days, was to get the original band back in good faith. I'm sure he's shaking his head over the end result of negotiations with his collegue and how embarrassing this is and not what he ever challenged the "reuniting" to be.

I doubt his idea was to get the band together in good faith, and I only say that when you consider Mikey's Burn! interview -- which establishes that Dave and the sisters have been negotiating and bickering for years (again).

Since Dave has all that history (2000-2003) in his back pocket, I am sure he came in with no blinders on and knows it's barely holding together. He certainly would not have wanted to brag about it before yesterday, since those psychos could pull the plug at any minute.

Now that the news is out.....

I think he is silent because he knows if he is interviewed, and something is misconstrued by the sisters, it will shut down, and he really wants to do it

AND

As the point is made above, let the Van Halens have a lot of control -- and if things don't go well, noone can blame him for it.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by Roth & Roll
This is most likely closer to the truth than any other theory that's floating out there. People need to understand that beyond the stage persona; Dave is a very bright guy. Dave got burned badly by the sisters in '96 and don't think for a second that he's going to get burned again. He learned his lesson.

The only positive that I see coming out of this fiasco is that when Ed fucks it up again, the entire world will know without a doubt exactly whos fault it really was this time around.

Well, Dave already kind of gave a disclaimer when he said he said Van Halen is like NASCAR. Some watch to see winners and other watch to see a big pileup. He knows it's volitile. Unlike lame Sammy, if Ed starts smashing a guitar, Dave is going to smash something. He's not going to stand there and go,"Oh my! Eddie almost hit me and he's ruined the show! Dave will jump up on Shemp's drum riser and take out all of the symbol risers with one swipe of his microphone stand. LOL!

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
You just described 2/3 of Main of late.

Well done.

:gulp:

Heady times, no doubt. I don't have the answer. I really don't want an answer.

[PlexiBrown]

He is busy working on this song for the tour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GItC8B1Ka9A

[Tiki-Tom]

Ed has done a lot of yappin? When was this?
What little he has said about this Officially has been through his hired ho.
Dave knows that this is only a sure thing once they hit the stage. After "96" who could blame him for being cautious with his comments.

As for Ed being the boss, please. The only one he is the boss of is his sis Alex.

[Terry]

Well, it just seemed odd that the Feb. 2 announcement was fairly low-key, which isn't something one would expect when you've got someone like Roth fronting the band...someone who ISN'T wary of talking to the press...

Who knows how the media PR angle of this is being handled within the VH camp? I mean, it really isn't even a 'VH camp' as such...when CVH were together, even though we later found out they apparently didn't like each other all that much at times, there WAS a unity of purpose. 2007 really doesn't feel like a band, because in many ways it isn't. It's a temporary business arrangement, so it may well be that Azoff is taking his direction from Ed, and Dave has been told he isn't in charge of making statements on behalf of Van Halen 2007, because he's basically a temp.

But there's really no downside to Dave NOT talking...in fact, it's probably better if there ISN'T a lot of pre-tour hype. Let 'em take it to the stage and let the performances do the talking. Plus, what is there to really hype, anyway? No new music, not everyone in the CVH lineup is there, setlist comprised of oldies, and the tour is a one-off with Roth. It's not like 1996, where it was a shock that Roth and Ed were even SPEAKING to each other, much less writing new material. It's been ten years and several aborted attempts before this came together, and the attitude for many is "about fucking TIME"!

[Vinnie Velvet]

I'm sure Dave will speak at some point.

The can't keep him on a leash for very long (even if that's the case). :D

[TAKIN WHISKEY]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
I'm sure Dave will speak at some point.

The can't keep him on a leash for very long (even if that's the case). :D

No doubt.

[Mezro]

Originally posted by Roth & Roll
Dave is a very bright guy.

1. If Dave was a bright guy, he wouldn't have fucked things up with VH in 1985, 1996, 2000, 2002 and 2004. He has been his own worse enemy for years.

2. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't always be hurting for cash.

3. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't have dressed like a clown (complete with wig and clown suit) on the 2002 "Scam & Dave" tour.

4. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't have let his raging ego destroy the brilliant Eat Em & Smile band.

5. And if Dave was so fucking bright, he would never do this tour without Mikey.

Mezro...that being said, see reason 2 for why he is doing it...

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by Mezro
1. If Dave was a bright guy
3. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't have dressed like a clown (complete with wig and clown suit) on the 2002 "Scam & Dave" tour.




I was at the "SCAM & DAVE" Tour in 2002 at Universal Amphitheatre, Los Angeles.

You have your entertainers confused. If YOU were there, you'd see that the "Rainbow Wig/Clown Suit" was worn by your beloved Redrocker and his zany cast of characters that were making/consuming Margaritas on stage for his 1.5 hrs of "Clown-fest".

Dave gave us his 1.5 hour straight up without the Clown-fanfare and simply wearing his motorcycle blue quilted leathers.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Mezro
1. If Dave was a bright guy, he wouldn't have fucked things up with VH in 1985, 1996, 2000, 2002 and 2004. He has been his own worse enemy for years.

2. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't always be hurting for cash.

3. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't have dressed like a clown (complete with wig and clown suit) on the 2002 "Scam & Dave" tour.

4. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't have let his raging ego destroy the brilliant Eat Em & Smile band.

5. And if Dave was so fucking bright, he would never do this tour without Mikey.

Mezro...that being said, see reason 2 for why he is doing it...

You seem to think it was ALL Dave's fault in '85, '96, and 2000.

[Mezro]

Originally posted by bantonelli
the "Rainbow Wig/Clown Suit" was worn by your beloved Redrocker

What kind of fucking asshole are you? MY beloved Redrocker? I despise that piece of shit more than I despise fans that will just blindly kiss Dave's ass at every turn. The guy is an entertainer, not a fucking saint.

My point was a 47 year old man with a bad wig and a gold spandex jumpsuit looks ridiculous. Sure, he let the music do the talking, but he made quite a statement by looking out of touch and pathetic.

Mezro.....always sad to see a rock icon waaaaay past their prime reach out for the brass ring one last time...

[Mezro]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
You seem to think it was ALL Dave's fault in '85, '96, and 2000.

I do Vin...I blame his ego more than Ed's drinking. If Ed was soooooo fucking bad, Hagar would have not been able to work with him for 11 years.

Mezro...I think Dave makes excuses for all the failed reunion attempts because he always needs everything 100% his way...

[TAKIN WHISKEY]

Originally posted by Mezro
I do Vin...I blame his ego more than Ed's drinking. If Ed was soooooo fucking bad, Hagar would have not been able to work with him for 11 years.

Mezro...I think Dave makes excuses for all the failed reunion attempts because he always needs everything 100% his way...

I have to disagree. Spammy was able to work with Ed for that amount of time because he was a yes man. And with it came complete shit from a musical standpoint.

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by Mezro
What kind of fucking asshole are you? MY beloved Redrocker? I despise that piece of shit more than I despise fans that will just blindly kiss Dave's ass at every turn. The guy is an entertainer, not a fucking saint.

My point was a 47 year old man with a bad wig and a gold spandex jumpsuit looks ridiculous. Sure, he let the music do the talking, but he made quite a statement by looking out of touch and pathetic.

Mezro.....always sad to see a rock icon waaaaay past their prime reach out for the brass ring one last time...

Despite your sweet compliments with the name-calling that I'll ignore, no one has said that Dave is some kind of saint. We call it as we see it and for that, I have to respect your opinion.

Regarding Dave's outfit....It's ROCK n' ROLL.....period.

[Mezro]

Originally posted by TAKIN WHISKEY
I have to disagree. Spammy was able to work with Ed for that amount of time because he was a yes man. And with it came complete shit from a musical standpoint.

In any business relationship (and Van Halen is a business) you have to make concessions. I think Sam had way less of an ego than Dave and was able to compromise with the sisters.

Mezro...when Sam started to believe his own bullshit and headed down the same egocentric path as Dave the relationship soured...

[Mezro]

Originally posted by bantonelli
Despite your sweet compliments with the name-calling that I'll ignore, no one has said that Dave is some kind of saint.

You know b, I may have shoved my junk up your ass a little too quickly. Please accept my apology for calling you a fucking asshole. I think I have a little sand in my urethra today;)

Mezro...thanks for posting here...it is a pleasure to have you as part of the Army...

[rucalobe]

Official Announcement
Source: www.van-halen.com


VAN HALEN IS BACK!
VAN HALEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCE SUMMER TOUR
February 2, 2007
Los Angeles, CA - In what is no doubt one of the most anticipated moments in rock and roll, VAN HALEN officially announces their 2007 North American tour.

The tour will mark the first time since 1984 that original VAN HALEN front man David Lee Roth will perform with Eddie and Alex Van Halen along with new bassist Wolfgang Van Halen for 40 shows this summer.

VAN HALEN fans can look forward to legendary high intensity performances, featuring a set list of the most iconic hits ever produced by America's premiere rock band.

Eddie Van Halen states, "I am very excited to get back to the core of what made VAN HALEN."



© Copyright 1997-2007 Van Halen & van-halen.com All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without prior written permission is strictly forbidden. Email: bradman@van-halen.com

[Mezro]

Thanks for the "fresh" info twig snapper.

Mezro...48 hours late and still slower than sun roasted testicle pizza...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by rucalobe
Official Announcement
Source: www.no-shit-sherlock.com


NIXON RESIGNS



Way to stay on top of things.

:gulp:

[Buck]

Even if it was completely Dave's fault for the crumbling of the past tries since 96, (if I were Dave) I wouldnt take any more chances of being the one to make it crumble yet again.
In other words, he's probably keeping quiet - "just to be on the safe side"

[Mezro]

Originally posted by Buck

In other words, he's probably keeping quiet - "just to be on the safe side"

You got it Buck.

Mezro...he will try to keep his final big meal ticket punched, safe and sound...

[katie]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
Dave is being silent because he is ashamed of being a part of this charade.

Dave is silent because HE is under contract.
He wanted the reunion, now he has got it, under Eddies terms & conditions............

Dave = The new MA ?????? You decide

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
He is busy working on this song for the tour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GItC8B1Ka9A

Every time I see clips from that show Bart Walsh's wig gets funnier...:D

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by spmusicplyr
dave has to keep his mouth shut and just shut the hell up because he fucked '96. he's probably nervous to fart

His mouth was nothing to do with the failure of 1996.

That was just a pathetic excuse by the Van Halen sisters when their little publicity stunt to try and sell some more copies of BOVH1 backfired.

They had no intention of doing a VH reunion.

I think the reason that two pretty dumb people managed to fool Roth was because their 'strategy' was so fucking stupid it blindsided him.

Cheers!

:gulp:

[SparkieD]

The failure of '96 was due to the entire spotlight being on Dave and poor little Eddie having to stand in his shadow.

[Roth & Roll]

Originally posted by Mezro
1. If Dave was a bright guy, he wouldn't have fucked things up with VH in 1985, 1996, 2000, 2002 and 2004. He has been his own worse enemy for years.

2. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't always be hurting for cash.

Unless you personally know the band; and were privy to everything that transpired behind closed doors for the last 22 years; or happen to be Dave's accountant; you're not qualified to pass off your comments as fact. After watching Ed go through 3 lead singers in 3 years; and witnessing the way Michael Anthony was booted from the band; there is clear evidence that Eddie Van Halen DOES have a problem getting along with bandmates unless they are his family. How you manage to put the entire blame squarely on Dave while absolving the VH sisters of any responsibility is beyond logic.


Originally posted by Mezro
3. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't have dressed like a clown (complete with wig and clown suit) on the 2002 "Scam & Dave" tour.

4. If Dave was so bright, he wouldn't have let his raging ego destroy the brilliant Eat Em & Smile band.

5. And if Dave was so fucking bright, he would never do this tour without Mikey.

The same EEAS band that Steve Vai quit because he didn't like "Just Like Paradise" and didn't want to have to play it? The same Billy Sheehan who has an ego the size of Texas and would rather play guitar on his bass and show off rather than work with his drummer?
Yeah, you're right. That was all Dave's fault. Funny, I've never heard any musicians that Dave has worked with over the years have anything but good things to say about him. Can you say the same about the EVH?

According to you, Dave should never do this "because of Mikey"? You're shitting me, right? What stand did "Mikey" take in Dave's defense over the years? The only loyalty in show business is loyalty to $$$ Dave would be a total fool to turn down $10 million dollars in order to take a stand against the MA situation.

Look at it this way; would YOU quit YOUR job - especially if it was the highest paying job you've ever had; just because a coworker got fired? That's ridiculous.

[binnie]

I think you've made a good point here Bantonelli.

Dave might not want another '96 fallout on his hands...