Wolfapalooza 2007, a Parent's Perspective

[LoungeMachine]

***Disclaimer***

I still am of the mind this whole thing is a spED king-hell power-play Mindfuck, and someone else will be touring

Assuming for a moment Mommy Dearest allows this circus to leave town......

What are The Van Halens' plans for young Wolfie on this tour?

And how would the parents in here handle it?


Will Val be coming along to look after young Wolf?

Can the first Van Halen Stage Mom Rider be in the works as we speak?

Does the Rider include Flintstone's Chewables, with all the purple ones removed?

Will spED demand Wolf take all of his groupies to his room, so as to not be a witness to The Heir's parties?

How much extra "staff" will Wolf be assigned? Tutor? You'd think if VALium has anything to say....

Do you think spED would allow him to tour with anyone else out there now? Or is this pure..."it's okay as long as I can keep an eye on you"





And then there's DAVE :D


Has Dave been given the Wolfie Ten Commandments yet?

Thou Shalt Not have chicks flash tits in front of Wolf etc, etc...



And most important..... How would you fellow parents handle this?

Being the father of 3, I can honestly say I wouldn't want any of my kids to Hit The Road for 40 days as a spectator, let alone onstage.

And 2 of my 3 have expressed a desire to be in the "performing arts"

Yes, the original CVH wasn't much older, but there's a WORLD of difference between 15 going on 16, and 18.



I just think it's a topic many of us can relate to.

:cool:

[PHOENIX]

Dude wtf?


Valerie was a tv sensation at like age 16. I doubt she would be the type of mother who didnt want her son to follow in his Dads footsteps just cause he's 15.

Also i see ya added my quote to your sig. Awesome!

[Ellyllions]

No way in Hell.

Let my strung out alcoholic ex-husband take my 15 year old son along with his porn star girlfriend, on the road to teach that child how to destroy his life too?

Aw, hell no.

[Dan]

Any Word from Valerie about this Tour?

[katie]

Another no nothing thread from our resident moron LoungeMachine

[Ice Cream Girl]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
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Being the father of 3 [/B]

Wow! How old are they?

And consequently, how do you find the time to put up the thousands of posts you have [especially if they're toddlers]?

[jgdrag]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
***Disclaimer***

I still am of the mind this whole thing is a spED king-hell power-play Mindfuck, and someone else will be touring

Assuming for a moment Mommy Dearest allows this circus to leave town......

What are The Van Halens' plans for young Wolfie on this tour?

And how would the parents in here handle it?


Will Val be coming along to look after young Wolf?

Can the first Van Halen Stage Mom Rider be in the works as we speak?

Does the Rider include Flintstone's Chewables, with all the purple ones removed?

Will spED demand Wolf take all of his groupies to his room, so as to not be a witness to The Heir's parties?

How much extra "staff" will Wolf be assigned? Tutor? You'd think if VALium has anything to say....

Do you think spED would allow him to tour with anyone else out there now? Or is this pure..."it's okay as long as I can keep an eye on you"





And then there's DAVE :D


Has Dave been given the Wolfie Ten Commandments yet?

Thou Shalt Not have chicks flash tits in front of Wolf etc, etc...



And most important..... How would you fellow parents handle this?

Being the father of 3, I can honestly say I wouldn't want any of my kids to Hit The Road for 40 days as a spectator, let alone onstage.

And 2 of my 3 have expressed a desire to be in the "performing arts"

Yes, the original CVH wasn't much older, but there's a WORLD of difference between 15 going on 16, and 18.



I just think it's a topic many of us can relate to.

:cool:
Can't baby them forever. You can only teach them what you know, after that, it is up to them.

You are selling WVH short, don't you think?First off, you have no idea of their arrangement
Perhaps, WVH has a brain
Perhaps he sees what the old man is all about, doesn't mean he will not keep his shit together
Besides, hollywood type people,do this all the time
If you think a father, even a drunk one, would let harm come to their kid, well,that's not what I see Edward doing. Besides, you have seen the video when spammy is horsing around with wolf after the conceert and Edward runs over and starts chasing fagar around the stage to kick the shit out of him
I am pretty sure Val knows what the fuck is going on

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Ice Cream Girl
Wow! How old are they?

And consequently, how do you find the time to put up the thousands of posts you have [especially if they're toddlers]?

Teenagers. [barely]

And I don't KNOW WTF Val thinks of this, but what little I know of her, and her current lrelationship with spED, I don't think she's thrilled with this.


I'm not selling anyone short other than spED. ;)


It's a weird stiuation to throw your only child into the spotlight this way, and I personally couldn't do it.

Katie being the barren wasteland she is, will never face this issue.

Elly is dead on in my opinion.


As for PENIX's take:

Being a star on a 70's sitcom, and touring the us with Van Halen comparing apples to origami. :D


Although her co-star MacKenzie Phillips was higher than a kite most shows. :cool:

I thing there's an age thing here ,too. I'm a fossil compared to many in here.:(

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Dan
Any Word from Valerie about this Tour?

Not that I've found.

Which leads me to believe it aint gonna happen. :cool:

[ThrillsNSpills]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Teenagers. [barely]



Elly is dead on in my opinion.
(

agreed


I think the only way Val could go along with it is if she's of the perspective that Wolf is a prodigy and that this would be good experience for him.

..and has given that more weight than the alcoholic dad on the road with son wrecking his life thing.

[vh rides again]

that kid has probably experienced more shit in his life already, than any concert tour could throw at him.

hell he prolly has some 20 year old sitting on his face right now.

im sure hes been exposed to drugs and alchohol and sampled quite a few.

im not saying, oh what the hell hes already on drugs so whats the difference.
these people are about nothing but money and finding new ways to feel better.
they dont give a fuck about whats right and whats wrong.
they will do whatever they can to make sure they get what they want and minimalize everything in thier minds to make it seem like a good thing.
that kid is headed for a life full of drug addiction and alchoholism,if hes not already there.
ps. sorry eddie but thats the truth, do your kid a favor and give him 10,000,000 dollars and send him to school as far away from your lifestyle as possible and he might be alright.

[jgdrag]

LMAO

[Rikk]

Some parents live through their kids. They want their kids to do what they didn't do.

Well, Eddie wants to use his son so that Van Halen is completely his. Dave is his ticket to introducing Wolfie.

That's bad parenting. Look what 30 years of touring did to Eddie Van Halen.

And so many other people.

Starting the kid off at 15/16 instead of ensuring that the kid gets a good education? What kind of friends his age can he hang out with on a tour with men in their 50s?

That is going to be one fucked-up kid.

This whole thing proves that not only does Eddie not respect the legacy of Van Halen, he's a pretty crappy parent too.

And don't forget, by having his kid out there, Eddie technically gets 50% of the band's take at the door. Didn't anyone think of that?

http://www.mtv.com/news/images/archive/Van_Halen/sq_eddie_van_halen_glasses_int_mtv.jpg

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine


Elly is dead on in my opinion.




Thank you!

I've got a 16.5 year old (his words when you ask him his age)...I know how impressionable they are.

And so what if Ed were to have "cleaned" himself up, (as if?), the element that will inevitably be around Wolfie is enough for this mom to call halt on. There are going to be drugs, irrational fans, accidents, et. al that will be going on all around Wolfie all the time on this tour.

I have a friend who spent some time with the lead singer of another semi-popular band. The lead singer used to be a very handsome man so even though he looks like a pedofile now, he still gathers very aggressive fans in his time off. Well, one night a couple of years ago, he had his 9 year old daughter with him in a hotel after a show.

Here was this beautiful little girl curled up asleep on a sofa beside her daddy, and around him were willing women flirting, showing him body parts, and kissing him in the mouth. HE was blitzed on "E" and as drunk as fuck....bragging about all these girls taking advantage of a "drunk bloke" (his words). He then pulled one girl into his lap and proceeded to put his hand down the back of her pants to retrieve her panties. He was joking that he needed to see her thong.

Photos showed up on the net of this and in those photos...was the little sleeping babe right next to her drunken, has-been, old father....

Kids do NOT belong on tour with their parents.

[Atomic Dyver]

We wouldn't be having this debate if we got an all original CVH reunion.

[hideyoursheep]

I agree with Rikk that this IS one fucked up kid.How many battles between Mama Bertinelli and The Addict has he witnessed already? We don't know.

One would assume the Wolf has found a plethora of comfort foods just by his appearance.

But there comes a time in a young man's life when he wants to venture out away from Mama's protective skirt;it may be his decision to do this,and mama is losing control of her baby boy.
Tiger Van Halen is being presented to the world. Now we will see if Super Gluing the guitar to baby Wolf was a good idea or a huge mistake.
I guess we'll find out Mar.12.

[vh rides again]

look at other high profile rockers kids

ozzy osbournes kids are as disfunctional as they come.

lionel richies duaghter is already looking like a washed up barfly and in the news for abusing drugs, shes probably fucked half the guys in hollywood. how old is she? maybe 25?.

there are more but i cant think of em at the moment.

on the other hand other rockers who are against drug abuse and that whole lifestyle seem to have kids who kinda have thier heads on straight.

i have seen gene simmons's kids on his tv show and they seem like they are alright people.

and ill bet a hundred bucks if ted nugent thought his kid was doing drugs, he would end up in a military accademy somewhere with a blackeye.

maybe im wrong , hopefully wolfie is a stellar student and knows the difference. hopefully hes reading this right now and thinking im a dumbass.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by katie
Another no nothing thread from our resident moron LoungeMachine

Another no nothing thread from our resident moron katie

[Ellyllions]

As far as kids knowing the difference between right and wrong at 15, or having the apron strings cut loose around that age is fine...but to set them afoot with the element surrounding a rock tour is just stupid.

They'd still cross a busy intersection at a green light to get to the lollypop on the other side of the road.

The teens are the most dangerous times of their lives.

[bru87tr]

again, I still think this is a stick it to ya via the media from ed to mike.

no way val allows it. I wouldnt!!!!!! I love my kid but if I had one of the biggest bands in the world, I dont care how talented my kid was. he could jam one song during a few shows but he wouldnt be thrown into the spotlight and be made a joke of in the media replacing the original bass player at 15. NFW!!!!!!!

this is an adults world he is throwing his kid into. I love my kid but the stage is where I would want to get away for a while. the stage is no place for a family till your old enough. 15 is not old enough.

val divorced ed for a reason. I doubt she is gonna let her kid go on tour knowing all those reasons why she left him.

I still dont believe it till I see 20 shows under the kids belt. its a stick it to mike scam.

but ed is beyond being a parent, he is obsessed with wolfie. looks at the 96' awards. "hi wolfie, hi, over here"

get a life!!! save the home life for home. rock is for the stage and grown public.

why would you want to stick your kid in front of the world at 15 , put that pressure on him and make him grow up so fast. I cant imagine val thinks this is a good idea.

[General Hina]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
***Disclaimer***

I still am of the mind this whole thing is a spED king-hell power-play Mindfuck, and someone else will be touring

Assuming for a moment Mommy Dearest allows this circus to leave town......

What are The Van Halens' plans for young Wolfie on this tour?

And how would the parents in here handle it?


Will Val be coming along to look after young Wolf?

Can the first Van Halen Stage Mom Rider be in the works as we speak?

Does the Rider include Flintstone's Chewables, with all the purple ones removed?

Will spED demand Wolf take all of his groupies to his room, so as to not be a witness to The Heir's parties?

How much extra "staff" will Wolf be assigned? Tutor? You'd think if VALium has anything to say....

Do you think spED would allow him to tour with anyone else out there now? Or is this pure..."it's okay as long as I can keep an eye on you"





And then there's DAVE :D


Has Dave been given the Wolfie Ten Commandments yet?

Thou Shalt Not have chicks flash tits in front of Wolf etc, etc...



And most important..... How would you fellow parents handle this?

Being the father of 3, I can honestly say I wouldn't want any of my kids to Hit The Road for 40 days as a spectator, let alone onstage.

And 2 of my 3 have expressed a desire to be in the "performing arts"

Yes, the original CVH wasn't much older, but there's a WORLD of difference between 15 going on 16, and 18.



I just think it's a topic many of us can relate to.

:cool:

Taking Wolfie on tour is bad parenting 101. Look for young Wolfgang to develop every bad habit his father and uncle have.

The whole thing is disgraceful.


Over & Out,
General Hina

[katie]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Another no nothing thread from our resident moron katie

Thread? I never started this drivel!
You wanker! LOL

[Rikk]

Originally posted by katie
Thread? I never started this drivel!
You wanker! LOL

You bore me.

[mickeba]

First of all, there's a big difference between being on tv at 15 or 16, and being on tour with Ed and Uncle Al at 15. At least when you're on tv at 15, they make you go to school and they look out for you on some level. Not saying Ed doesn't love Wolf, but this is ridiculous. No way can a 15 year old be expected to perform on that stage. Like when Joe Frazier pushed his son Marvis into the ring with Tyson. He got destroyed! Living through your kids is one thing, but this is on a sick level. I can't believe Val would be thrilled with this, prodigy or not, and as for Dave, what a way to end your career. Playing with children, looking like a joke! As for Ed's idea of parenting:

THAT'S NOT PARENTING, THAT'S BULLSHIT!!!!!

mickeba

[Ice Cream Girl]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Teenagers. [barely]

And I don't KNOW WTF Val thinks of this, but what little I know of her, and her current lrelationship with spED, I don't think she's thrilled with this.




If she hated the idea, we would have never even heard of Wolfie being in on it because she could cry "custody infringement" since I bet they share him at least 50/50 if not more in her favor, so obviously, she's in for the =VH= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by Ice Cream Girl
If she hated the idea, we would have never even heard of Wolfie being in on it because she could cry "custody infringement" since I bet they share him at least 50/50 if not more in her favor, so obviously, she's in for the =VH= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I agree. Val hasn't done anything lately and probably whatever residuals she still pulls in from her old shows now reruns on TV Land, are probably not bringing in as much as her son can bring home from Summer spent with Dad - nevertheless, it still sounds very foul that Val would agree to a 15 yr. old seeing alot of strange images on the Rock n' Roll Tour Bus and backstage. Sounds like Eddie's goal is to get his virgin kid laid.

[GreenBayLA]

Originally posted by vh rides again
look at other high profile rockers kids

ozzy osbournes kids are as disfunctional as they come.

lionel richies duaghter is already looking like a washed up barfly and in the news for abusing drugs, shes probably fucked half the guys in hollywood. how old is she? maybe 25?.

there are more but i cant think of em at the moment.

on the other hand other rockers who are against drug abuse and that whole lifestyle seem to have kids who kinda have thier heads on straight.

i have seen gene simmons's kids on his tv show and they seem like they are alright people.

and ill bet a hundred bucks if ted nugent thought his kid was doing drugs, he would end up in a military accademy somewhere with a blackeye.

maybe im wrong , hopefully wolfie is a stellar student and knows the difference. hopefully hes reading this right now and thinking im a dumbass.

I know Steven Tyler's daughter Liv was a teen model then actress, she turned out ok but he didn't really raise her. His other daughter, Mia is a plus size model...


Originally posted by Ice Cream Girl
I bet they share him at least 50/50 if not more in her favor, so obviously, she's in for the =VH= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

For some dumb reason I couldn't get the phrase "51/50 custody" out of my head. I guess Ed has the 51 part ; )

I agree the road isn't best place for Wolfie, or any 15/16 yr old kid.

[Ellyllions]

Liv turned out okay but wasn't she a drug addict in her late teens/early 20's? I'm thinking that she didn't have it "easy" and did delve deeply into drugs.

Gene Simmons kids? I can't say that the show gave us the story on the kids lives because I really believe the only reason they did that show was to off-set the Ozzy show. Besides, they're at the perfect age to learn what to do as a rock star's kid....we'll get their full story in a few years.

Ozzy's kids are the PERFECT example of what can go wrong. With Wolfie it could go two ways of course and both of them bad.

-He could end up just like his dad
-He could end up hating his dad

You choose which is worse?

I gotta say though, a part of me wonders if Wolf isn't Ed's "security blanket". Meaning Wolfie being around is the only thing that keeps Ed from dying in a drug enduced sleep. And if that's the case, then Wolfie is sure to be as fucked up as a football bat. Emotional baggage is bad news for a teenager.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Excellent thread Lounge....

I have two boys, aged 20 and 13....

First and foremost, it's kinda difficult to put ourselves in Ed's shoes, in terms of being a world-famous musician, in addition to his recognition of whatever musical talent his son may have (no, didn't bother to download anything from the '04 tour)....

Strictly speaking about the "concert experience", it's one thing taking your kids to a concert with titties flashing on the jumbotron, the singer swearing every other word, and the smell of weed in the crowd.

You know what you're getting into when you buy tickets to that type of show, from a fan's perspective....

But really, doesn't every decent movie have that nowadays ?? (except for the weed smell)....

However, strictly speaking as a fellow parent of teenage sons (and beyond now for me), I would have to believe that my wife would have "some problems" (to put it lightly) if my son would be "on tour" with me....

Let's not sugarcoat it; He's gonna be exposed (hopefully not on a personal level) on a daily basis to drug usage, plenty of alcohol, loose women, nudity, you name it....

What we also don't know is whether Wolfie will have any tutors available with him while he's on the road....

Will it "scar him for life", let's hope not...

But the bottom line is that Ed shouldn't even be putting his 15 year old son in this situation... He needs to stop these childish games and get Mike back in the band....

[katie]

Dumb thread Lounge

bored now

Next!

[Ellyllions]

We can't compare Ed's life to our own because most of us aren't doing to ourselves what Ed's been doing to himself for so many years now.

If I were Ed, I'd clean up before I spent any amount of real time with my son. Just because I respect my son.

[SparkieD]

I really feel for the kid because whether or not he's the amazing bass player Daddy claims, this kind of pressure is clearly NOT the avenue to a musical career for him. People have been wanting for this (or something similar) since before Mom and Dad even made the boy, and now he's expected to be the one thing between a full reunion and some kind of bullshit monopoly against Dave.

I'm sure he's at least visually familiar with the female anatomy and the word fuck is probably everyday language. Such is the case for most 15 year old boys. However, he would have to be way more than a musical prodigy to be mentally prepared for the rock and roll antics that will most definitely take place on that tour no matter how hard Mom, Pop, Uncle Al, or even Dave will try to prevent it.

And speaking of Mom, she, much like Dave, is awfully quiet. Let me guess, she's under contract, too. Right?

[Atomic Dyver]

Maybe we should get a press release from Wolfie

[jgdrag]

You guy are like a bunch of old hens. What do you think the great players in sports go through? Do you think they are sitting at home being babied until their careers take off? No, they are out living at somebody else's house hundreds of miles away from home, facing shit on their own, turning into men and women.
Cut the kid some slack, he may be ready and mature enough, no one here knows, me included. Has Wolf not been on tour already anyway?
Did anyone see the video where spammy and bass player were fucking around with Wolf after the show and Edward saw this and started chasing spammy and bassplayer around the stage? I believe Edward wouldn't let any harm come to Wolf.
Let's not forget what we were doing at 16, no F'N Ken and Barbie shit.
Van Halen is a business, with tons of money involved. Do you honestly believe anyone would let a 16 year fuck with the money angle of Van Halen?
Don't you realize by bringing Wolf out in 2004 Edward was getting Wolfie ready for the spotlight? Do you honestly believe that Wolf wasn't being groomed to perform in front of people?

Sorry about the rant, but let's see how we would feel if someone told us how to bring our kids up?

[bru87tr]

this is true......

I was in reform school when 1984 came out and did some pretty bad ass shit.

[jgdrag]

Reform school, didn't make it to the Big House?

[SparkieD]

Originally posted by jgdrag

Did anyone see the video where spammy and bass player were fucking around with Wolf after the show and Edward saw this and started chasing spammy and bassplayer around the stage? I believe Edward wouldn't let any harm come to Wolf.

Oh sure, Sam and BP were gonna put a real hurtin' on that kid and Ed, much like Mama Bear protecting her cub, saves the day. Give me a fucking break:rolleyes:


Originally posted by jgdrag
Do you honestly believe that Wolf wasn't being groomed to perform in front of people? "Groomed to perform"??? No disrespect for the kid, but have you seen him? If his parents were priming him for the stage, they would've had his outwardly appearance in mind. An important part of the spotlight is how good you look while you're in it, and while I actually think he's a cute kid, there are gonna be a lotta people who ridicule him for his weight problem. Is he prepared for the kind of crap that an unmerciful public will have for him? FFS, people in here say mean-spirited things about him all the time.



Originally posted by jgdrag
Sorry about the rant, but let's see how we would feel if someone told us how to bring our kids up?

If somebody told me I was getting ready to make a really stupid mistake that would affect my child for the rest of her life, I'd at least think real hard about it. Even the slightest possibility that they may be right would probably change my mind.

[perticelli]

Originally posted by jgdrag
You guy are like a bunch of old hens. What do you think the great players in sports go through? Do you think they are sitting at home being babied until their careers take off? No, they are out living at somebody else's house hundreds of miles away from home, facing shit on their own, turning into men and women.
Cut the kid some slack, he may be ready and mature enough, no one here knows, me included. Has Wolf not been on tour already anyway?
Did anyone see the video where spammy and bass player were fucking around with Wolf after the show and Edward saw this and started chasing spammy and bassplayer around the stage? I believe Edward wouldn't let any harm come to Wolf.
Let's not forget what we were doing at 16, no F'N Ken and Barbie shit.
Van Halen is a business, with tons of money involved. Do you honestly believe anyone would let a 16 year fuck with the money angle of Van Halen?
Don't you realize by bringing Wolf out in 2004 Edward was getting Wolfie ready for the spotlight? Do you honestly believe that Wolf wasn't being groomed to perform in front of people?

Sorry about the rant, but let's see how we would feel if someone told us how to bring our kids up?


ive never seen the video, anyone know where it is?

I haPPen to agree with this post. We dont know anything about what is reality for them or what is the state of anything. I know i dont want anyone telling me how to raise my kids, especially fans of my rock band.

What is Wolf's year of birth?
Also, the VH's dont party like they used to.They stay at the nicest hotels, fly in private planes and have their own "space" back strage. Sure, wolf will be exposed to stuff, but he has seen some of it many,many times. Ed isnt gonna let Wolf run free and wild..
Let's all become perfect parents before we comment on what someone else is doing, especially when we dont know ANY of the FACTS.

[Atomic Dyver]

Whoa, whoa, whoa......lets thing about this for a minute.
Big-Eddie-Style NEVER makes mistakes....EVER. Just take a minute to examin him:

He may be an alcoholic, but he drinks quality liquor and beer.

He smokes like crazy, but hey he installed smoke detectors....he forgot the batteries but he installed the detectors.

And who could argue with the genius of hiring Gaygar and Shemalerone?

Its just one jem after another.

And if ANYONE dare make fun of Wolfie....he will be kicking cocks like they're goin out of style.

On a serious note...we all want CVH but this kid does have the DNA to grip it and rip just like his dad.

So this is no CVH reunion....but VH mk IV might, just maybe surprise us.

[perticelli]

Ellyions, who is that in ur avatar?

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Atomic Dyver
So this is no CVH reunion....but VH mk IV might, just maybe surprise us.

I wouldn't even call it 'VH4' -- 'cause it aint.

Adding the next number usually denotes that there has been a singer change.

In this case, singer 1 came back -- so I'd call this (with no Mike), VH 1.2

:)

[Atomic Dyver]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
I wouldn't even call it 'VH4' -- 'cause it aint.

Adding the next number usually denotes that there has been a singer change.

In this case, singer 1 came back -- so I'd call this (with no Mike), VH 1.2

:)


Good point...I concure

[frets5150]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
***Disclaimer**
Does the Rider include Flintstone's Chewables, with all the purple ones removed?
:lol:

[Ice Cream Girl]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet

Adding the next number usually denotes that there has been a singer change.


Howso? DLR was on VH2...

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Ice Cream Girl
Howso? DLR was on VH2...

I think he means "unofficial band title" as opposed to album title...for example, Deep Purple has "Deep Purple MK. II", "Deep Purple MK. III", etc...as opposed to "Led Zeppelin II", "Led Zeppelin III", "Van Halen II", which were actual albums.

Van Halen mixed it up a bit with "Van Halen III", reflecting the 3rd incarnation of the band - the first mistake of many more made with the album...

[jgdrag]

Van Halen .75

[SparkieD]

This discussion wouldn't even be happening if I was the kid's mom. I'd have probably killed Daddy Dearest by now. Shit, I would've taken a damn hammer to his fingers just for smoking around the boy.

[amadeus]

God help the first reviewer that takes a shot at Wolfie, Ed will be all over that!!!

[ZahZoo]

As a parent... this deal is a poor choice from it's inception. I wouldn't sign up my 16, 17 or 19 yr old kids for a deal like this even if I were in Ed's shoes.

Doesn't matter Ed and Val's background... Wolfie is still a 15 year old kid. Doesn't matter his gifts musically. He doesn't have the experience for a 40 show tour at the top rung of the rock and roll ladder... even if it were with other kids his age.

IMO... Ed should be supporting Wolfie musically by providing him with all the opportunity to build his own band and develop his own musical thing if that's even what he wants to do. Good parents nurture their kids to develop into their own productive aspects in life. You don't go dragging your kid to work with you even if it is on a stage with a guitar in hand.

I have toured before and it's no place for teenage kids. Even if mom/dad are around. It takes it's toll on seasoned veterans which has been proven over and over again.