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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers

    Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers
    By Dean Yates
    Sun Feb 4, 9:02 PM ET



    BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A U.S.-Iraqi campaign to stabilize Baghdad will begin soon and the offensive against militants will be on a scale never seen during four years of war, American officers said on Sunday.




    Briefing a small group of foreign reporters, three American colonels who are senior advisers to the Iraqi army and police in Baghdad said a command center overseeing the crackdown would be activated on Monday.

    "The expectation is the plan will be implemented soon thereafter," Colonel Doug Heckman, senior adviser to the 9th Iraqi Army division, said at a U.S. military base in Baghdad.

    "It's going to be an operation unlike anything this city has seen. It's a multiple order magnitude of difference, not just a 30 percent, I mean a couple hundred percent," he added, referring to previous offensives that failed to stem bloodshed.

    The plan will involve U.S. and Iraqi forces sweeping the capital's neighborhoods for militants and illegal weapons and then holding cleared areas. But some analysts fear that as in previous crackdowns, militants will simply melt away and wait them out, or strike in areas where they are not deployed.

    All three officers sought to talk up the ability of Iraq's forces to perform better than in previous crackdowns.

    Their comments came a day after a suicide truck bomb killed 135 people in a mainly Shi'ite area of Baghdad, the single biggest bombing since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

    The joint offensive is seen as a last-ditch effort to halt all-out civil war between minority Sunni Arabs and politically dominant majority Shi'ites.

    President Bush is sending 21,500 reinforcements, most earmarked for the Baghdad offensive.

    Critics of Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki say an offensive last summer failed because the Iraqi army committed too few troops and because he was reluctant to confront the Mehdi Army of radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

    The firebrand cleric is a key political ally of Maliki.

    NO BARRIERS

    Asked if the Mehdi Army's stronghold in Sadr City would be cleaned out, Heckman acknowledged the political sensitivity but said all options were open.

    "If we feel we need to clear Sadr City to bring stability, we will do that. Are there restrictions that will not allow us to do that? Right now there are not," Heckman said.

    Maliki has vowed the crackdown will tackle militants across the sectarian divide. The Pentagon has said the Mehdi Army poses a greater threat to peace in Iraq than Sunni Islamist al-Qaeda.

    The Baghdad command center that will begin operations on Monday will be headed by an Iraqi general. However, U.S. troops will not take orders from Iraqi officers.

    Colonel Chip Lewis, senior adviser to a national police division in Baghdad, said the Iraqi security forces were more confident than they were before the last offensive. At that time, some Iraqi units did not show up.

    Heckman said the offensive would gradually build up.

    There was anecdotal evidence some militias had sought to melt away ahead of the campaign, the officers added.

    "The end of the summer is when we should see some concrete results and be able to say is this working or not," Heckman said. That would be around September.

    One problem that bedeviled last summer's offensive was the reluctance of Iraqi soldiers in the regionally recruited army to be deployed in the capital, far from their homes and families.

    This time soldiers will get pay bonuses to come to Baghdad and will be given a finite tour of duty, so they know their deployment will not be open-ended, the American officers said.

    Another difference would be the establishment of what the officers called joint security stations, which will be set up in nine Baghdad districts and where Iraqi and American troops will live and patrol side-by-side.
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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35193

    #2
    Pointless unless the US plans to stay there permanently.

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      Originally posted by Seshmeister
      Pointless .
      The surge?

      or Brie's threads?
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • hideyoursheep
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2007
        • 6351

        #4
        Originally posted by Seshmeister
        Pointless unless the US plans to stay there permanently.
        Why?

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        • LoungeMachine
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jul 2004
          • 32576

          #5
          Originally posted by hideyoursheep
          Why?

          Because the minute we pull out, they'll be right back to killing each other.

          4,000 years has proved that anything short of a DICTATOR in that region means all out bloodsport.

          Imagine my shock it's all about RELIGION.
          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • hideyoursheep
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2007
            • 6351

            #6
            Re: Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers

            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
            Critics of Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki say an offensive last summer failed because the Iraqi army committed too few troops and because he was reluctant to confront the Mehdi Army of radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.
            The firebrand cleric is a key political ally of Maliki.

            NO BARRIERS

            Asked if the Mehdi Army's stronghold in Sadr City would be cleaned out, Heckman acknowledged the political sensitivity but said all options were open.

            "If we feel we need to clear Sadr City to bring stability, we will do that. Are there restrictions that will not allow us to do that? Right now there are not," Heckman said.

            Maliki has vowed the crackdown will tackle militants across the sectarian divide. The Pentagon has said the Mehdi Army poses a greater threat to peace in Iraq than Sunni Islamist al-Qaeda.

            The Baghdad command center that will begin operations on Monday will be headed by an Iraqi general. However, U.S. troops will not take orders from Iraqi officers.
            This is the money shot of the piece.
            Talk amongst yourselves.

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            • hideyoursheep
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Jan 2007
              • 6351

              #7
              Re: Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers

              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
              The plan will involve U.S. and Iraqi forces sweeping the capital's neighborhoods for militants and illegal weapons and then holding cleared areas..
              Won't be pulling out and turning it back over to the assholes this time,LM.
              The "stay the course" version is what you had in mind.

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32576

                #8


                Want to know what BigBadBrian posts at Freeper?


                LMAO
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • hideyoursheep
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6351

                  #9
                  Re: Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers

                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  [B]One problem that bedeviled last summer's offensive was the reluctance of Iraqi soldiers in the regionally recruited army to be deployed in the capital, far from their homes and families. [/]


                  Jesus H. Cruise!!!

                  It's YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY, AHMED!!!!

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    Re: Re: Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers

                    Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                    Jesus H. Cruise!!!

                    It's YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY, AHMED!!!!

                    Exactly.

                    I'm so sick and fucking tired of DRAGGING these assholes kicking and screaming into a 21st. century democracy I could spit.

                    IT'S NOT IN THEIR NATURE TO GET ALONG.

                    "IRAQ" NEEDS TO GO BACK TO 3 AUTONOMOUS REGIONS.

                    Fuck Western Colonialism
                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • hideyoursheep
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6351

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=109837

                      Want to know what BigBadBrian posts at Freeper?


                      LMAO


                      Uhhh...

                      Ping.

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                      • hideyoursheep
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 6351

                        #12
                        Re: Re: Re: Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers

                        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                        Exactly.

                        I'm so sick and fucking tired of DRAGGING these assholes kicking and screaming into a 21st. century democracy I could spit.

                        IT'S NOT IN THEIR NATURE TO GET ALONG.

                        "IRAQ" NEEDS TO GO BACK TO 3 AUTONOMOUS REGIONS.

                        Fuck Western Colonialism

                        It will never work over there-at least our version.

                        This Maliki douchebag is too tight with Al-Sadr.

                        Looks too much like the pecking order in Iran to the Sunnis.

                        That's where the trouble is.

                        But it's late in the 4th qtr., we have the ball, and when it gets close to the red zone, hand the fucker off to Iraq and leave the field.

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                        • hideyoursheep
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6351

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=109837

                          Want to know what BigBadBrian posts at Freeper?


                          LMAO
                          How'd you find this? hehehe

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                          • LoungeMachine
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 32576

                            #14
                            Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                            How'd you find this? hehehe
                            Bush told me about The Google that's on the internets these days.

                            I like how the first post is; "go back to the d.u. you baby killer"

                            When did the Free Republic turn to Shit?



                            I like how he saves his A-material for us, though.

                            He hasn't called anyone a baby killer in here for at least a year.
                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                            • LoungeMachine
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 32576

                              #15
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Baghdad offensive to begin: U.S. officers

                              Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                              It will never work over there-at least our version.

                              This Maliki douchebag is too tight with Al-Sadr.

                              Looks too much like the pecking order in Iran to the Sunnis.

                              That's where the trouble is.

                              But it's late in the 4th qtr., we have the ball, and when it gets close to the red zone, hand the fucker off to Iraq and leave the field.

                              And had we listened to the experts, and HISTORY........

                              We could've saved ourselves the trouble, and lives.

                              This was a war OF CHOICE.

                              Not our's. BushCO's
                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                              Originally posted by cadaverdog
                              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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