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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    Tables turned on Fahrenheit 9/11’s maker

    Tables turned on Fahrenheit 9/11’s maker

    Tony Allen-Mills

    THE hunter has become the hunted. Michael Moore, the celebrated left-wing film-maker, has become the unwilling subject of a new documentary that raises damaging questions about the credibility of his work.

    The director and star of successful documentaries such as Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore has repeatedly been accused by his right-wing enemies of distorting or manipulating the material in his films. On his website he dismisses his critics as “wacko attackos”.

    Yet the latest assault on Moore’s film-making techniques has come from an unexpected quarter. In Manufacturing Dissent, a documentary to be shown for the first time at a Texas film festival on Saturday, a pair of left-wing Canadian film-makers take Moore to task for what they describe as a disturbing pattern of fact-fudging and misrepresentation.

    “When we started this project we hoped to have done a documentary that celebrated Michael Moore. We were admirers and fans,” said Debbie Melnyk, who made the film with her husband, Rick Caine. “Then we found out certain facts about his documentaries that we hadn’t known before. We ended up very disappointed and disillusioned.”

    Melnyk and Caine are best known for their previous documentary Citizen Black, about Conrad Black, the Canadian-born former proprietor of The Daily Telegraph. Last week both of them acknowledged an important debt to Moore for popularising the documentary genre.

    Yet when Caine and Melnyk began to follow him as part of their own documentary, their efforts to interview him met with the same kind of obstruction, denial and, ultimately, physical ejection that Moore had suffered when he tried to track down Roger Smith, the former chief executive of General Motors, for his first film, Roger & Me.

    It was in Flint, Michigan, Moore’s former home town, that Caine and Melnyk made the first discovery that they say rocked their confidence in his approach. Roger & Me was a hugely successful account of what Moore portrayed as a fruitless task to force Smith to answer questions about GM’s policies in closing the car manufacturing plants that had long been Flint’s economic lifeline.

    Caine and Melnyk claim that Moore interviewed Smith on camera twice. But the scenes were left on the cutting room floor, apparently for greater dramatic effect.

    Manufacturing Dissent includes a long catalogue of alleged exaggerations or distortions in several of Moore’s films. In Bowling for Columbine, a scathing indictment of US gun violence, Moore visited Toronto to show parts of the city that were supposedly so free of crime everyone left their front doors unlocked.

    “In the film, Michael makes it look as though 100% of the doors were unlocked, but his local producer told us it was really only 40%,” said Caine.

    Caine and Melnyk said they had hoped to interview Moore about his views on how much editing was acceptable before a factual documentary turned into misleading propaganda.

    “We had met him at a premiere of the Columbine film in Toronto, and he said, ‘Oh yes, talk to my people and they’ll set something up’,” said Caine. “We then called his people and they said he’s not doing any more interviews in Toronto. We had his e-mail, we sent a letter to his lawyers, we had his phone number in New York. But each time he said no.”

    Then Caine and Melnyk began to run into open hostility. Eventually, in a scene that might have come from Roger & Me, they were bundled out of an event at Kent State University, where Moore’s sister, Anne, knocked aside Caine’s camera.

    Moore is reportedly editing his next film, Sicko, about the US healthcare system, and a spokesman said he had no comment on Manufacturing Dissent. On his website he dismissed critics of Bowling for Columbine as “lying liars” and claimed that “organised groups [are] going full blast trying to discredit me”.

    Yet Caine and Melnyk insist they should not be confused with the right-wing hordes who want to damage Moore.

    “If you have to sell out your values and principles to get at a greater truth, where does that leave you?” said Melnyk.

    “If we think it’s wrong for the government to lie and manipulate, how do we think that [left-wingers] doing it is the solution?”

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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    #2
    Michael Moore making up shit?

    Who would have guessed?
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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    • hideyoursheep
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2007
      • 6351

      #3
      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
      Michael Moore making up shit?

      Who would have guessed?
      Following all the NeoTards around for so long has rubbed off on him.

      Honestly, who cares?

      not my hero.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49125

        #4
        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
        Michael Moore making up shit?

        Who would have guessed?
        What did he "make up," "moron?"

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58754

          #5
          Michael Moore's films, from Roger & Me up to the new "Sicko" have one common thread.... They all show the damage corporatism has inflicted on this country, and as a result, the world in general.

          So my question is: which corporate entity is bankrolling the Canadians??
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • Rikk
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jan 2004
            • 16373

            #6
            Is this how you feel better about your government, Brian? By finding out that 40% of doors are unlocked in Toronto instead of 100%?

            Or is it finding out that Al Gore uses a lot of electricity?

            The shit you spew out daily makes me gladder than hell that you're not on my side.
            Roth Army Militia

            Originally posted by WARF
            Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49125

              #7
              You should see the political cartoon he posted, where Brian gleefully celebrates the treasonous, politically motivated outing of a CIA agent.

              Laughs galore...

              Isn't great that Neoconservatives are super-patriots that put the good of the country above their personal and corporate driven vendettas...
              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-06-2007, 10:09 PM.

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49125

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                Michael Moore's films, from Roger & Me up to the new "Sicko" have one common thread.... They all show the damage corporatism has inflicted on this country, and as a result, the world in general.

                So my question is: which corporate entity is bankrolling the Canadians??
                I'm betting it's more a case of sour grapes.

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                • BigBadBrian
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10620

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rikk
                  Is this how you feel better about your government, Brian? By finding out that 40% of doors are unlocked in Toronto instead of 100%?

                  Or is it finding out that Al Gore uses a lot of electricity?

                  The shit you spew out daily makes me gladder than hell that you're not on my side.
                  I would respond to you...if you actually had made a point.

                  Side?

                  What "side" are you on? I guarantee you don't know what my "politics" are.

                  “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10620

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    You should see the political cartoon he posted, where Brian gleefully celebrates the treasonous, politically motivated outing of a CIA agent.

                    She wasn't covert.
                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • Rikk
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 16373

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      I would respond to you...if you actually had made a point.
                      That seems to be your typical answer around here. You aren't even worthy of a debate because you don't know how to debate.

                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      Side?
                      You know, like two sides of a debate? I know...you don't really believe all that stuff...free speech, arguing over what's right and what's wrong.

                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      What "side" are you on? I guarantee you don't know what my "politics" are.
                      I don't even think you know either. All you know is that "liberals" are bad and you must somehow continue to defend your President though you don't even know why.
                      Roth Army Militia

                      Originally posted by WARF
                      Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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                      • Rikk
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 16373

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                        She wasn't covert.
                        Uh, if outing her risked her life, then yes, she was.
                        Roth Army Militia

                        Originally posted by WARF
                        Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49125

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                          She wasn't covert.
                          Oh, Brian now gets to decide who in the CIA is covert and can be politically destroyed...

                          Look at the NeoCon fatass celebrate treason and then enable criminal behavior:



                          She wasn't "covert?" Dickhead, she was "under cover." I never said "covert."

                          What the fuck does "covert" mean, buffoon?

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58754

                            #14
                            Brian is repeating the lie, peddled by Mush Limpdick and FAUX from day one that Valerie Plame was nothing but a secretary working a desk job in Langley.

                            As if Langley desk jockeys need a brass plate corporation like "Brewster Jennings" to hide behind?
                            Eat Us And Smile

                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • hideyoursheep
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6351

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              She wasn't covert.

                              ....and she can never be again, thanks to you traitors.

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