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FORD
03-07-2007, 10:11 PM
State makes big fuss over local couple's vegetable oil car fuel
By HUEY FREEMAN - H&R Staff Writer

DECATUR - David and Eileen Wetzel don't get going in the morning quite as early as they used to.

So David Wetzel, 79, was surprised to hear a knock on the door at their eastside home while he was still getting dressed.

Two men in suits were standing on his porch.

"They showed me their badges and said they were from the Illinois Department of Revenue," Wetzel said. "I said, 'Come in.' Maybe I shouldn't have."

Gary May introduced himself as a special agent. The other man, John Egan, was introduced as his colleague. May gave the Wetzels his card, stating that he is the senior agent in the bureau of criminal investigations.

"I was afraid," Eileen Wetzel said. "I came out of the bathroom. I thought: Good God, we paid our taxes. The check didn't bounce."

The agents informed the Wetzels that they were interested in their car, a 1986 Volkswagen Golf, that David Wetzel converted to run primarily from vegetable oil but also partly on diesel.

Wetzel uses recycled vegetable oil, which he picks up weekly from an organization that uses it for frying food at its dining facility.

"They told me I am required to have a license and am obligated to pay a motor fuel tax," David Wetzel recalled. "Mr. May also told me the tax would be retroactive."

Since the initial visit by the agents on Jan. 4, the Wetzels have been involved in a struggle with the Illinois Department of Revenue. The couple, who live on a fixed budget, have been asked to post a $2,500 bond and threatened with felony charges.

State legislators have rallied to help the Wetzels.

State Sen. Frank Watson, R-Greenville, introduced Senate Bill 267, which would curtail government interference regarding alternative fuels, such as vegetable oil. A public hearing on the bill will be at 1 p.m. today in Room 400 of the state Capitol.

"I would agree that the bond is not acceptable, $2,500 bond," Watson said, adding that David Wetzel should be commended for his innovative efforts. "(His car) gets 46 miles per gallon running on vegetable oil. We all should be thinking about doing without gasoline if we're trying to end foreign dependency.

"I think it's inappropriate of state dollars to send two people to Mr. Wetzel's home to do this. They could have done with a more friendly approach. It could have been done on the phone. To use an intimidation factor on this - who is he harming? Two revenue agents. You'd think there's a better use of their time," Watson said.

The Wetzels, who plan to speak at a Senate hearing in Springfield today, recalled how their struggle with the revenue department unfolded.

According to the Wetzels, May told them during his Jan. 4 visit that they would have to pay taxes at either the gasoline rate of 19½ cents per gallon or the diesel rate of 21½ cents per gallon.

A retired research chemist and food plant manager, Wetzel produced records showing he has used 1,134.6 gallons of vegetable oil from 2002 to 2006. At the higher rate, the tax bill would come to $244.24.

"That averages out to $4.07 a month," Wetzel noted, adding he is willing to pay that bill.

But the Wetzels would discover that the state had more complicated and costly requirements for them to continue to use their "veggie mobile."

David Wetzel was told to contact a revenue official and apply for a license as a "special fuel supplier" and "receiver." After completing a complicated application form designed for businesses, David Wetzel was sent a letter directing him to send in a $2,500 bond.

Eileen Wetzel, a former teaching assistant, calculated that the bond, designed to ensure that their "business" pays its taxes, would cover the next 51 years at their present usage rate.

A couple of weeks later, David Wetzel received another letter from the revenue department, stating that he "must immediately stop operating as a special fuel supplier and receiver until you receive special fuel supplier and receiver licenses."

This threatening letter stated that acting as a supplier and receiver without a license is a Class 3 felony. This class of felonies carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.

On the department of revenue's Web site, David Wetzel discovered that the definition of special fuel supplier includes someone who operates a plant with an "active bulk storage capacity of not less than 30,000 gallons." Wetzel also did not fit the definition of a receiver, described as a person who produces, distributes or transports fuel into the state. So Wetzel withdrew his application to become a supplier and receiver.

Mike Klemens, spokesman for the department of revenue, explained that Wetzel has to register as a supplier because the law states that is the only way he can pay motor fuel tax.

But what if he is not, in fact, a supplier? Then would he instead be exempt from paying the tax?

"We are in the process of creating a way to simplify the registration process and self-assess the tax," Klemens said, adding that a rule change may be in place by spring.

David Wetzel wonders why hybrid cars, which rely on electricity and gasoline, are not taxed for the portion of travel when they are running on electrical power. He said he wants to be treated equally by the law.

David Wetzel, who has been exhibiting his car at energy fairs and universities, views state policies as contradicting stated government aims.

"You hear the president saying we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," Wetzel said. "You hear the governor saying that."

State Rep. Bob Flider, D-Mount Zion, also plans to support legislation favoring alternative fuels.

"I'm disappointed that the Illinois Department of Revenue would go after Mr. Wetzel," Flider said. "I don't think it is a situation that merits him being licensed and paying fees.

"The people at the department of revenue apparently feel they need to regulate him in some way. We want to make sure that he is as free as he can be to use vegetable oil. He's an example of ingenuity. Instead of being whacked on the head, he should be encouraged."

Huey Freeman can be reached at hfreeman@herald-review.com or 421-6985.

Link (http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt)

hideyoursheep
03-07-2007, 10:30 PM
Beyond fucking words......

This is what happens when ingenuity meets neo-conservatism.

Maybe the 2nd amendment was prophecy...

Hardrock69
03-07-2007, 10:59 PM
That is fucking disgusting.

It is the same as the "Secure Our Borders" way of thinking.

themonkey wants to get up on a podium and say "We MUST secure our borders!" and then prevent anyone from doing so, while also trying to let criminals be given amnesty.

Everyone is screaming about removing our dependence on foreign oil, but if you try to do it, they will threaten you with prison.

Goddamnable fucks!!!
:mad:

BigBadBrian
03-08-2007, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by hideyoursheep


This is what happens when ingenuity meets neo-conservatism.



:rolleyes:

Yeah, in a state that has a Democratic Governor and two Democratic US Senators.

hideyoursheep
03-08-2007, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Since the initial visit by the agents on Jan. 4, the Wetzels have been involved in a struggle with the Illinois Department of Revenue. The couple, who live on a fixed budget, have been asked to post a $2,500 bond and threatened with felony charges.

Try to keep up Brian......




State legislators have rallied to help the Wetzels.

Are you paying attention?......


State Sen. Frank Watson, R-Greenville, introduced Senate Bill 267, which would curtail government interference regarding alternative fuels, such as vegetable oil. A public hearing on the bill will be at 1 p.m. today in Room 400 of the state Capitol.

"I think it's inappropriate of state dollars to send two people to Mr. Wetzel's home to do this. They could have done with a more friendly approach. It could have been done on the phone. To use an intimidation factor on this - who is he harming? Two revenue agents. You'd think there's a better use of their time," Watson said.

How 'bout that? A republican making sense.....



State Rep. Bob Flider, D-Mount Zion, also plans to support legislation favoring alternative fuels.

"I'm disappointed that the Illinois Department of Revenue would go after Mr. Wetzel," Flider said. "I don't think it is a situation that merits him being licensed and paying fees.

"The people at the department of revenue apparently feel they need to regulate him in some way. We want to make sure that he is as free as he can be to use vegetable oil. He's an example of ingenuity. Instead of being whacked on the head, he should be encouraged."

Holy shit! a bipartisan agreement! You still with me?

It's the Illinois dept. of Revenue, Brian. Now IF there were ever a time for a "presidential pardon" , that time would be now. But Boy George's butt buddies in big oil wouldn't make any money from this, now would they?:rolleyes:

Baby's On Fire
03-08-2007, 07:19 PM
That's the good ol US of mother-fucking-A for ya The greatest country in the World, huh?

You guys are all cool...don't get me wrong. But you live in the most fucked-up country in the World. The credibility the USA once enjoyed is loooong gone.....

:eek:

hideyoursheep
03-08-2007, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
That's the good ol US of mother-fucking-A for ya The greatest country in the World, huh?

You guys are all cool...don't get me wrong. But you live in the most fucked-up country in the World. The credibility the USA once enjoyed is loooong gone.....

:eek:


We get all that back once the boy king is gone...

The next President will issue an executive order forcing the permanent reunion of CVH to be exported to Canada.

Feel better?:cool:

Hardrock69
03-08-2007, 10:45 PM
LMFAO!!!!
:D

Little Texan
03-09-2007, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by FORD
David Wetzel, who has been exhibiting his car at energy fairs and universities, views state policies as contradicting stated government aims.


Here's where he fucked up. If he would have kept a low profile and not shown his car to the viewing public, then the government would have never found out and all this bs could have been avoided.

FORD
03-09-2007, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by Little Texan
Here's where he fucked up. If he would have kept a low profile and not shown his car to the viewing public, then the government would have never found out and all this bs could have been avoided.

Well, it's not as though cars running on biodiesel are all that unusual anymore. Hell, in this town, the city buses burn it!

Nah, the real problem here is that the guy is making his own biodiesel, and so he's not paying any state gasoline tax.

Problem is that none of the states existing license categories really fit a single residential user. He's not a "supplier" since he doesn't make it for anyone else, and he's not a "receiver" which would be a gas station selling biodiesel.

What Illinois should do, and probably will do after this, is issue a personal license for someone like this who makes his own biodiesel but only for his own use.

In the mean time, it's not fair to persecute the Wetzels for breaking a law that doesn't yet exist.

Hardrock69
03-09-2007, 02:04 PM
In the meantime, themonkey continues his blathering about alternative energy, even though we know he does not EVEN want the profits from the family oil company to disappear:

Bush hails biofuels pact in Brazil

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 41 minutes ago

SAO PAULO, Brazil - At a mega fuel depot for tanker trucks,
President Bush heralded a new ethanol agreement with Brazil Friday as way to boost alternative fuels production across the Americas. Demonstrators upset with Bush's visit here worry that the president and his biofuels buddy, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, really have visions of an
OPEC-like cartel on ethanol.

But Bush and Silva said increasing alternative fuel use will lead to more jobs, a cleaner environment and greater independence from the whims of the oil market. In Brazil, nearly eight in 10 new cars already run on fuel made from sugar cane.

"`It makes sense for us to collaborate for the sake of mankind," Bush said at Silva's side, after touring the depot. "We see the bright and real potential for our citizens being able to use alternative sources of energy that will promote the common good."

The agreement itself was signed Friday morning by Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice and her Brazilian counterpart, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe announced.

Bush's focus on energy during the first stop on his eighth trip to Latin America comes as the president's nemesis in the region, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, is using his vast oil wealth to court allies. Bush's trip also includes visits to Uruguay, Colombia, Guatemala and Mexico.

At the fuel depot, Bush, sporting a white hard hat, fingered sunflower seeds and stalks of sugar cane and sniffed beakers of yellowish biodiesel and clear ethanol.

The depot is operated by a subsidiary of the state-owned Petrobras, where about 100 trucks come and go daily. About a half mile from the site, a large white balloon hung in the sky emblazoned with blue letters that said "Bush Out" in both English and Portuguese. The "s" in Bush was replaced by a swastika.

On his 45-minute ride from the airport to his hotel on Thursday night, Bush's motorcade sped by a dozen or so gas stations where drivers in this traffic-clogged city can pump either gasoline or ethanol.

Bystanders gawked at Bush's limousine, but only a few people waved. Anti-American sentiment runs high in Brazil, especially over the war in
Iraq. Bush missed the demonstrations earlier in the day protesting his visit.

Riot police fired tear gas and beat some protesters with batons after more than 6,000 people held a largely peaceful march through the financial district of Sao Paulo. About 4,000 agents, including Brazilian troops and
FBI and U.S.
Secret Service officers, are working to secure Bush's stay in the city that lasts about 24 hours.

Authorities did not disclose the number of injuries in Thursday's demonstrations, but Brazilian news media said at least 18 people were hurt and news photographs showed injured people being carried away.

Undeterred by protests, Bush says he's on a goodwill tour to talk about making sure the benefits of democracy — in the form of better housing, health care and education — are available to all Latin Americans, not just the wealthy.

In Latin America, however, Bush's trip is widely viewed as a way for the president to counter the influence of Chavez, the populist ally of Cuba's
Fidel Castro, who has led a leftward political shift in Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua.

To taunt Bush, the Venezuelan leader will speak at an "anti-imperialist" rally in a soccer stadium on Saturday in Buenos Aires, Argentina, about 40 miles across the Plate River from Montevideo, where Bush will meet Uruguay's president, Tabare Vazquez.

Some protesters, carrying stalks of sugar cane, protested the ethanol agreement. The demonstrators warned that increased ethanol production could lead to social unrest because most operations are run by wealthy families or corporations that reap the profits, while the poor are left to cut the cane with machetes.

"Bush and his pals are trying to control the production of ethanol in Brazil, and that has to be stopped," said Suzanne Pereira dos Santos of Brazil's Landless Workers Movement.

The White House dismisses talk that the ethanol agreement between Bush and Silva is aimed at setting up an "OPEC of Ethanol" cartel led by Washington and Brasilia.

Bush said he wants to work with Brazil, a pioneer in ethanol production for decades, to push the development of alternative fuels in Central America and the Caribbean. He and Silva also want to see standards set in the growing industry to help turn ethanol into an internationally traded commodity.

"It's not about production-sharing, it's about encouraging development and encourage the Caribbean and Central American countries to get into the game," Bush's national security adviser,
Stephen Hadley, said.

In January, Bush called on Congress to require the annual use of 35 billion gallons of ethanol and other alternative fuels such as biodiesel by 2017, a fivefold increase over current requirements. To help meet the goal, the president also is pushing research into making ethanol from material such as wood chips and switchgrass.

One roadblock in the Bush-Silva ethanol talks is a 54-cent tariff the United States has imposed on every gallon of ethanol imported from Brazil. Bush says it's not up for discussion.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/bush_latin_america

bastardog
03-09-2007, 04:51 PM
That's what happen when you do something smart and encorage people to do it...............and that something smart could cut money from a multi-billion bussines like the Oil companies one

Steve Savicki
03-09-2007, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
The credibility the USA once enjoyed is loooong gone.....
Regaining the credibility back is a long shot, will be a long story... and take a long time.

WACF
03-09-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by FORD

Nah, the real problem here is that the guy is making his own biodiesel, and so he's not paying any state gasoline tax.


That right there is the problem.

At least with Ethanol blends or Biodiesel the state and big oil get their piece....they would look at this as lost revenue.

Greed knows no boundry.

Jano
03-09-2007, 08:05 PM
KATRINA,KATRINA WHO??????