Sabbath with Ozzy

**ELVIS** · 03-15-2007, 08:16 PM

**ELVIS** · 03-15-2007, 08:23 PM

**ELVIS** · 03-15-2007, 08:32 PM

Not the greatest vocal from Ozzy but cool they did this song...

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**ELVIS** · 03-15-2007, 08:34 PM

I'm amazed Ozzy can do this...

**ELVIS** · 03-15-2007, 09:04 PM

**ELVIS** · 03-15-2007, 09:05 PM

**Panamark** · 03-15-2007, 09:28 PM

What year was these clips from Mr E ??

**cMb** · 03-15-2007, 10:17 PM

What year was these clips from

2005?

Excellent stuff!
Thanx for sharing.

**ELVIS** · 03-15-2007, 10:31 PM

Almost all are 2005...

I think the first two are 2003...

**Panamark** · 03-15-2007, 11:06 PM

I think the last time I saw Ozzy live was 2000.
He had Zakk with him, and it rocked !

He's got a really unusual voice. Ever noticed him humming
or singing something to himself (like on the Osbournes).
It sounds pretty crappy, then you hear him grab a mic
and that distinctive vocal comes through....

Actually, theres a challenge for ya Elvis, see if you can
find Ozzy singing without amplification or a microphone...

Its like his voice knows this whole other mode when he
has a mic in his hands...

**Little Texan** · 03-15-2007, 11:43 PM

Wrong place to be showing those clips, as there's alot of Ozzy haters (hint: Darth Vader) around here! I'm not one of them...big Ozzy fan, but lots of Dio fans on here. To me, the real Black Sabbath was when Ozzy was in the band. I've never been a big fan of Dio...his vocal style is nothing special. I believe the majority of Dio's fan base posts here...I've never understood the appeal. Holy Diver...Rainbow In The Dark...borrrrring.

**Matt White** · 03-16-2007, 12:38 AM

I dig DIO-era SABBATH....

And will be attending any DETROIT area shows...

but having said that...

OZZY IS BLACK SABBATH....

along with TONY GEEZER and BILL

**Panamark** · 03-16-2007, 01:28 AM

I reckon DIO is cool as ice, but Ozzy will always be
Sabbath..

Doesnt mean I dont enjoy DIO having a go now and then :p

**bueno bob** · 03-16-2007, 02:33 AM

I give Ozzy a lot of shit, but it's mostly due to the fact that he's become a whore to the media and Sharon's his pimp. The classic Sabbath stuff for me gets played as much as the Dio (or any other) era.

Being totally honest, you can't knock classic Sabbath at all. There's just...no way to do it...and yes, I will admit, Black Sabbath was a MUCH different beast whenever anyone else was up at the mic.

That being said - I still won't take anything away from Ronnie. Ronnie is a far superior vocalist to Ozzy, he's a lyricist (something Sabbath always had to rely on Geezer for primarily before hand), and he's a musician, which gives him the edge in so far as ability is concerned.

Still, there's a magic to an Ozzy fronted Sabbath that can't be touched. I'll admit that gladly. But I won't say that a Dio fronted Sabbath is any worse - it's just different, but equally as good. In a lot of ways, I think the Dio/Iommi/Butler combination is wickedly effective in skill - runs a strong challenge to the Osbourne/Iommi/Butler combination that just has a streak of black magic running through it somewhere.

Overall body of work? With Ozzy, you can go from 1970 to 1988 and not hit a dull moment anywhere (with minor exceptions - Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, while great albums, lacked a lot of the original Sabbath spark...The Ultimate Sin was also a mixed bag). After 1988, well...not so much. The only saving grace No More Tears had was the uncredited work of Bob Daisley. Ozzmosis was a mixed bag that bordered on crapola and everything's been total shit thereafter. Lyrically, when you get right down to it, Ozzy's always been carried by his bassist (Geezer or Bob, depending - after Bob did the right thing and told Sharon Inc. to fuck off, it's been a writing team ever since...only Geezer and Bob really know what to do with Ozzy's lyrics, as far as I'm concerned).

With Ronnie, I'm seriously hard pressed to find a bad Dio album over any of his material. The first Elf album was somewhat generic, but L.A. 59 and Trying to Burn the Sun remain among the BEST recorded music in any genre I've ever heard. Rainbow? Needs no explanation at all. Ronnie saved Sabbath from total disaster in 1980 and really brought a new edge to Tony and Geezer's musicianship. One can argue that he brought too much Rainbow with him, but anybody who knocks Heaven and Hell and/or Mob Rules either isn't a Dio fan or isn't a Sabbath fan, and that's fine - but with both of those albums, there isn't anything missing. As a solo artist, Holy Diver is one of the best metal albums ever recorded - Last in Line, Sacred Heart and Dream Evil were all competant follow ups, although Sacred Heart probably relied on Jimmy Bain's input a wee bit too heavily. Lock Up the Wolves just sounded generic, but there was a brand new band to consider at the time. Dehumanizer once again completely reinvigorated a very tired sounding Black Sabbath. Strange Highways and Angry Machines tried to follow up on the Dehumanizer sound, but Tracy G just wasn't the right guy for Dio. Since then, though, Ronnie's been back on track with the Dio sound everybody's most familiar with, and vocally he's lost little over the years. He's slowed down a bit, but to consider that he's 65-67 years old...it's just fucking amazing...

The new Sabbath songs are wonderful and far more satisfying than the two new Sabbath songs with Ozzy in '98. And Dio being with Sabbath right now is exactly what Tony and Geezer need - either Ozzy can't change the setlist or just won't, and Tony and Geezer have both been on record insinuating their boredom with playing the same shit night after night whenever they're out with Ozzy.

What it comes down to, for me, is who brings the absolute best out of Tony and Geezer - the heavy metal GODS of our time, the living breathing FUCKING LEGENDS. Frankly, they were bored and tired with Ozzy, and the music with Ronnie is more challenging and a breath of fresh air to them.

Ozzy is absolutely a legend, but he can't claim to have done it himself - frankly, it's truth that Ozzy's career has been made for him by Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Randy Rhodes, Bob Daisley and Sharon Osbourne. He can't write lyrics and he's not as instrumentalist.

I hold Ronnie in a higher light because he was musician enough to make it on his own - even if Ritchie Blackmore had stayed in Deep Purple and hadn't have come calling in '75, Ronnie was going places and those early Elf albums prove it. Bottom line is this - if Tony and Geezer didn't work together and write together as well as they did, Ozzy'd be bagging somebody's groceries in Birmingham.

I'm not an Ozzy hater, per se, I love his music up til '88 or so - I'm just a realist and the musician part of me identifies more with Ronnie.

Sabbath with Ozzy

Sabbath with Ozzy

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