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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    Iraq war is 'lost': US Democrat leader

    Iraq war is 'lost': US Democrat leader

    Apr 19 02:45 PM US/Eastern


    The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.
    "I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid told journalists.

    Reid said he had delivered the same message to US President George W. Bush on Wednesday, when the US president met with senior lawmakers to discuss how to end a standoff over an emergency war funding bill.

    "I know I was the odd guy out at the White House, but I told him at least what he needed to hear ... I believe the war at this stage can only be won diplomatically, politically and economically."

    Congress is seeking to tie funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to a timetable to withdraw US troops from Iraq next year, but Bush has vowed to veto any such bill and no breakthrough was reported from the White House talks.

    Bush on Thursday was addressing an Ohio town hall meeting and defending the war on terror launched in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks.


    "It is the most solemn duty of our country, is to protect our country from harm," Bush told the invited audience in Tipp, Ohio.

    "A lesson learned was that -- at least in my opinion -- that in order to protect us, we must aggressively pursue the enemy and defeat them elsewhere so that we do not have to face them here."

    But Reid drew a parallel with former US president Lyndon Johnson who decided to deploy more troops in Vietnam some 40 years ago when 24,000 US troops had already been killed.

    "Johnson did not want a war loss on his watch, so he surged in Vietnam. After the surge was over, we added 34,000 to the 24,000 who died in Vietnam," Reid said.

    The comments came a day after bombers killed more than 200 people in a slew of car bombings in Baghdad, dealing a savage blow to the US security plan which aims to deploy an extra 30,000 troops in the country to quell sectarian unrest.

    US Defense Secretary Robert Gates fly into Iraq Thursday on an unannounced visit for talks with top US military commanders there.

    He met with General David Petraeus, chief of coalition forces in Iraq, his deputy Lieutenant Colonel Ray Odierno and Admiral William Fallon, chief of US forces in the Middle East.

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  • blueturk
    Veteran
    • Jul 2004
    • 1883

    #2
    "It is the most solemn duty of our country, is to protect our country from harm," Bush told the invited audience in Tipp, Ohio.

    "A lesson learned was that -- at least in my opinion -- that in order to protect us, we must aggressively pursue the enemy and defeat them elsewhere so that we do not have to face them here."

    This is such fucking bullshit! Of course it's our duty to protect our country from harm, but it's not our duty to use our military for Bush's personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein. "The enemy" was (and is) not Iraq. Your fucking president has used over 3200 American lives and exploited the nation's emotions after 9/11 for his own personal fucking agenda, and you're so rabidly loyal to your party that you can't even see it. Fucking pathetic.....

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58758

      #3
      It ain't just Democrats who are saying the war is lost. Many Republicans have also said so.

      Like Paul Craig Roberts , for example. He was in the Reagan administration.

      Henry Kissinger, whose picture is next to the word "warmonger" in the dictionary, said that "a military victory is impossible" just two weeks ago. When Kissinger gives up on a war, you know its a lost cause.

      Chuck Hagel - who unlike most of the current Republicans has actually seen war - has known this one was a lost cause for a while now.

      John Warner - your own fucking Republican senator - ain't exactly a big fan of this continued bullshit either.

      Don't blame this one on the Democrats, the entire country is waking up to the futility of this horseshit excuse for a war, which was based on nothing but lies.
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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32797

        #4
        The Bush Administration thought if we invaded Iraq and took Saddam out of power, the Iraqi people would dance around like the little furry people at the end of that Star Wars movie. Then we would put in a puppet govt. and reap lucrative oil deals.

        What Bushco failed to realize is Iraq is full of ethnic minorities that hate each other. Now we have started a civil war and there's nobody to check Iran now. If we stay wer are screwed and if we go, Iran invades Iraq.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49136

          #5
          Well, maybe if the "fucking morons" that BigBitchBrian voted for, and still mindlessly defends, hadn't lost it...

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49136

            #6
            BTW Brian, when does your kid enlist? I believe he's about that age, isn't he?

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10620

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              BTW Brian, when does your kid enlist? I believe he's about that age, isn't he?
              No. And it's none of your business.

              Change the thread title back the way it was.
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              • pflo
                Banned
                • Nov 2006
                • 420

                #8
                Originally posted by blueturk
                "It is the most solemn duty of our country, is to protect our country from harm," Bush told the invited audience in Tipp, Ohio.

                "A lesson learned was that -- at least in my opinion -- that in order to protect us, we must aggressively pursue the enemy and defeat them elsewhere so that we do not have to face them here."

                This is such fucking bullshit! Of course it's our duty to protect our country from harm, but it's not our duty to use our military for Bush's personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein. "The enemy" was (and is) not Iraq. Your fucking president has used over 3200 American lives and exploited the nation's emotions after 9/11 for his own personal fucking agenda, and you're so rabidly loyal to your party that you can't even see it. Fucking pathetic.....
                Fuckin BINGO!! Any asshole who voted for bush in 2004 should be FORCED to get their fat chickenshit ass to Iraq and fight. Disgraceful state of affairs in the good ole USA.

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                • pflo
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 420

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  .

                  What Bushco failed to realize is Iraq is full of ethnic minorities that hate each other.
                  That would have taken about two minutes to read in a history book. Fuck bush and EVERY asshole that re elected him.

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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10620

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pflo
                    Fuckin BINGO!! Any asshole who voted for bush in 2004 should be FORCED to get their fat chickenshit ass to Iraq and fight. Disgraceful state of affairs in the good ole USA.
                    Shutup, Meathead.

                    We protect your ass.

                    Bow and kneel to us, Mr. #######

                    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 04-19-2007, 08:00 PM.
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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49136

                      #11
                      We "protect your ass?"

                      Are you talking about Canadians, douchebag?

                      They're fighting, and dying, in Afghanistan, pussy-bitch. Six of them died the other day, then two more the following day, baldy.

                      When does your son join them there?

                      And stop the personal info postings!

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                      • pflo
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 420

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                        Shutup, Meathead.

                        We protect your ass.

                        Bow and kneel to us, Mr. #######

                        Dont want your protection, fuckstick. Didnt ask for it , either. Dont NEED it. Why? Because we are not so arrogant and intrusive that other countries resent us. In fact, we like to distance ourselves from you whenever possible. Thats one of your typical egocentric delusions, simpleton. Keep electing dimwits like bush, and it will be YOU who will need protection. Trust me.
                        Last edited by pflo; 04-20-2007, 12:23 AM.

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58758

                          #13
                          Nobody elected Bush, pflag.

                          But as long as you have Little Stevie Wonderbush in power, don't delude yourself into thinking you're safe from neocon fascism.
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                          • Guitar Shark
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7576

                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            Nobody elected Bush, pflag.
                            Other than the Electoral College, you mean?
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                            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58758

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                              Other than the Electoral College, you mean?
                              No, the BCE appointed Felonious Florida Five of the Supreme Court.
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