Feds INDICT Vick

[ALinChainz]

By HANK KURZ JR. and MICHAEL FELBERBAUM, Associated Press Writers

July 6, 2007

SURRY, Va. (AP) -- A property owned by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was used as the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls involved" in an alleged dogfighting operation, according to court documents.

The papers, filed by federal authorities, give details for the first time about what authorities contend was a long-running dogfighting venture. Vick is not named in the documents.

On Friday, federal agents searched the property for a second time, using a backhoe to dig in an area about 10 feet wide by 20 feet wide. They finished their work at about 4:30 p.m. and declined to answer reporters' questions as they left.

The documents filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Richmond and obtained Friday by The Associated Press contain the address of the Vick property that has been at the center of the investigation.

According to the documents, dog fights have been sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" at the property since at least 2002. For the events, participants and dogs traveled from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas and other states.

Members of the venture also knowingly transported, delivered and received dogs for animal fighting, the documents state.

Fifty-four pit bulls were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.

The documents said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours. The winning dog would win from "100's up to 1,000's of dollars," and participants and spectators also bet on the dogfights.

Before fights, the participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat that could affect the other dog's performance. Sometimes participants would not feed a dog before the fight to "make it more hungry for the other dog," the documents said.

Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents. The property has an aboveground swimming pool, and investigators were seen looking into the pool Friday.

During a June search of the property, investigators uncovered the graves of seven pit bulls that were killed by members of "Bad Newz Kennels" following sessions to test whether the dogs would be good fighters, the documents said.

Members of "Bad Newz Kennels" also sponsored and exhibited fights in other parts of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey and other states, the filings said.

On Vick's Web site, he lists his birthplace as Newport News, Va., "a.k.a. BadNews."

Friday, federal agents used shovels and heavy equipment to search the Vick property, where an informant told authorities as many as 30 dogs could be buried.

A backhoe-front loader was brought in and used to excavate a cleared area on the property. The material found to be of interest was transferred into numerous large, ice-filled coolers and loaded into a rental truck, which left the property.

Some of the investigators wore T-shirts reading: "Federal Agent USDA-OIG."

An Associated Press reporter and photographer viewing the investigation from a helicopter could not clearly identify the evidence being collected.

Investigators were digging in an area about 50 yards behind the large white house on the property. About 15 people could be seen on the property, which includes several kennels surrounded by pens made of metal fencing, other kennels and outbuildings.

Located in southeast Virginia, the expansive property has a metal gate at the entrance and a white plastic fence around the perimeter. The fence and a large two-story building painted black behind the home obscured the work of investigators.

More than 15 vehicles were on the property, including the rental truck and at least one Virginia State Police evidence collection truck.

Corinne Geller, a spokeswoman for the Virginia State Police, said state authorities were working with federal investigators in an "assistance capacity."

Vick has said he rarely visited the property. No charges have been filed.

During an April 25 raid at the property, about half the dogs were tethered to car axles with heavy chains that allowed them to get close to each other, but not to have contact, an arrangement typical for fighting dogs, according to an affidavit.

Later, Surry County officials secured a search warrant based on an informant's information about dogs being buried on the property, but never acted on it because prosecutor Gerald G. Poindexter said he had concerns with the wording of the document.

On June 7, the day that warrant expired, federal officials executed their own with the help of state police investigators.

Poindexter publicly questioned the federal government's interest in a dogfighting case. He suggested Vick's celebrity was the draw and raised race as a possible motivation. Poindexter and Vick are black, as is Sheriff Harold Brown.

Poindexter, on vacation in Louisiana, said by telephone he was unaware of Friday's search and was still pursuing what he called a parallel investigation. He said he assumed Surry County and federal officials eventually will share their evidence.

Vick initially said he had no idea the property might have been used in a criminal enterprise and blamed family members for taking advantage of his generosity. He also put the house up for sale and reportedly sold it quickly, although there is no record that the sale has closed. Vick has since declined to talk about the investigation.

Michael Felberbaum reported from Richmond.

[rustoffa]

You know, these accusations regarding Michael Vick's association with dogfighting are finally starting to resonate! Jesus Fucking Christ!!!....what the fuck? Have I been asleep for months since the first pictures of the asinine "compound" appeared? Good googly moogly....I mean, there was a semi-x-travagant home situated on rural property.....with video of TREADMILLS being hauled off by LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!

Thank the lord above that the cloudy veil surrounding my perception of reality has finally drifted away!!!

Vick is a fucking dumbass. He can barely form motherfucking sentences...he could give a fuck less about anything that STUPID MOTHERFUCKING, INSTANT GRATIFICATION DRIVEN, INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT DIPSHITS don't give a fuck about.

Personally? I'D ENJOY EXECUTING EVERY SINGLE PERSON that exploits the long-forgotten nature of properly trained BULLDOGS... regardless of race, creed, or national origin.

[ALinChainz]

I hear you stoffa.

They haven't named Vick yet, but there are informants that have came out and placed him at fights.

It could start getting good.

[Romeo Delight]

They were digging up the evidence today...buried dogs in the backyard.

Not cool.

[ALinChainz]

What bothers me too is the prosecutor having to bring race into it.

Why the fuck would that matter?

If a white guy had all those dogs seized with injuries and dogs buried, blood stains, etc, I would still be pissed about it.

[rustoffa]

It's interesting, I had the chance to see this badass motherfucking dog a couple weeks back. Well-bred....full on legacy of destruction. The little fucker came running over, wagging his tail. I asked ol' so and so why that particular badass was running loose...ol' so and so assured me that everything was ok. This particular dog that was running loose around a bunch of other well-bred dogs is arguably worth a 2K stud fee!!!

He eventually asked how my old dog was doing, and I told him about the poisoning story. Then, I told him he was in the car...still alive!!

After that, we got drunk, and barbecued a chicken.

[stringfelowhawk]

My niece has a red nose pit with green eyes which I hear is pretty rare and our biggest fear is someone stealing her to fight her. She's only 7 mths old and the sweetest temperment imaginable. I've mentioned my 3/4 Shiba Inu and 1/4 Chow mix taking her in when she first brought her home. My dog will be 8 yrs old next month and they will play for hours at a time. She is very special to me and I see her as my family. Dog fighting is a disgusting thing that is inexcusable on every level. I can't watch cruelty to animals. I stopped watching Animal Precinct because it was just to heartbreaking. You can attack me if you want but that's how I feel.
Mine's scarey intelligent, friendly and an outstanding watch dog. I know without a doubt she would protect me to the death. Knowing that I feel she should expect nothing less in return.

If Vick is guilty he should be thrown in the ring with a bunch of his own dogs as they are a jury of his peers.

[ALinChainz]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



POSTED 11:40 a.m. EDT, July 7, 2007

A VICK SUMMARY AND REALITY CHECK

On Friday, ESPN proclaimed that Falcons quarterback Mike Vick likely won't be indicted by federal authorities in connection with the investigation regarding the dog-fighting operation, known according to a federal complaint as "Bad Newz Kennels," that was housed on property that he owns.

On Friday night, we called out ESPN for trying to play both sides of the fence on the Vick issue, reporting on one hand that he's a "heavyweight" among dog fighters and on the other hand that he's likely to get away with it.

Apparently, the Friday night/Saturday morning mission of chief Vick apologist Len Pasquarelli was to try to harmonize the contradictory ESPN reports.

Good luck with that.

Amazingly, Len characterizes the overall events of Friday, on which federals investigators wanted to find, and did find, ten more dog carcasses in shallow graves on property that Vick owns (did we mention that he owns the property where the dead dogs were found?) as a positive for Vick, since it came with the news that he's not likely to be named in the first wave of indictments.

In the last line of the story, Len calls Friday's events a "respite" for Vick and the Falcons organization.

A respite? What will he call the day that Vick does a perp walk? A brief detour through a meadow of daisies?

Though Pasquarelli (and, vicariously, ESPN) acknowledges that Vick shouldn't exhale yet and that the "ongoing investigation" could still entangle the guy who owns the property hosting the dog fighting operation named for the slang reference to the town where he was raised, the overall tone of Len's latest item is that Vick is, was, and probably will be deemed innocent, and that anyone who thinks otherwise either is jumping to unwarranted conclusions, or is a racist.

But let's summarize the available evidence:

1. Vick owned the property from which more than 50 dogs and evidence of dog fighting were seized in late April.

2. Vick's first and only comments came two days after the initial search, when evidence and details were still sketchy. "I'm never at the house," he said on April 27. "I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven't been doing the right thing."

How in the hell could Vick know that his family members "haven't been doing the right thing" only two days after the search happened? It was, in our view, a colossal slip by Vick, since only someone who had knowledge of what was happening there would have enough information to publicly blame his family members for it.

3. Vick has only ever said "I'm never at the house." Somehow, his contention has been mangled by the "real" media into "I'm rarely at the house."

The distinction is HUGE.

In a case like this, where there likely will be no direct evidence of Vick's presence at a dog fight, circumstantial evidence is critical. Given the size and the scope of the dog fighting operation, any credible evidence to contradict his "I'm never at the house" routine is devastating to the Sgt. Schulz defense that Mike tried to float before the lawyers crammed a sock in his throat.

4. Multiple reports later surfaced from credible media operations like SI.com and ESPN's Outside the Lines linking Vick directly to dog fighting. Chris Landry of FOX Sports Radio said that Ray Buchanan of FOX Sports Radio (and formerly of the Falcons) explained during the weekend of the draft that Vick was clearly involved in dog fighting and openly talked about it in the locker room. When confronted with the issue, Buchanan gave (in our opinion) an extremely unconvincing explanation, and it was clear to us that his sole motivation was and is to avoid snitching on a current NFL player.

5. Through all of the media reports tying him to dog fighting, Vick and his handlers have not uttered a single peep. In a court of law, silence cannot be regarded as evidence of guilt. In the court of public opinion, the notion of a truly innocent man saying nothing at all as his name and reputation are dragged through the dog doo-doo by false and fabricated media reports is downright damning.

6. Federal authorities have twice been to the property, and have removed a total of 17 dog carcasses. The fact that they got what they were looking for suggests that they have an informant who is giving them solid information. Thus, it's unlikely that many (any) of those dogs died of natural causes, but that the bodies instead are evidence that (as alleged in the federal complaint filed earlier this week) the members of the Bad Newz Kennels often killed canines that had been on the losing end of a fight.

7. In June, Vick's cousin who lived at the house, Davon Boddie, gave a bizarre interview to WAVY-TV, during which he claimed that the dogs found in April had been planted on the property by folks who snuck through the woods.

Folks, if you add all that up and apply some basic common sense, it doesn't look pretty for the guy that owned the property that housed the dog-fighting operation.

Also, there's no evidence that the feds have interviewed Vick or Boddie or anyone else who knows anything about the situation. Our guess is that the authorities are wisely and prudently and patiently getting their forensic evidence buttoned up before they start turning the screws up on the suspects.

That specific aspect of the investigation could lead to all sorts of interesting outcomes. If anyone lies to investigators, they'll be subject to the Martha Stewart/Scooter Libby treatment. If they exercises their constitutional right not to speak, they are inviting indictments, since they will have provided investigators with nothing to refute any conclusions that have been drawn regarding potential guilt.

In light of everything set forth above, and given the current status of the investigation, we firmly believe that anyone who thinks that the man: (1) who owned the property; (2) who initially claimed that he never goes there; (3) who blamed his family members for "not doing the right thing" at a time when it was too early to conclude that anyone had done anything wrong; and (4) who has since kept his mouth shut in the face of damaging evidence is not the chief suspect in and ultimate target of the ongoing investigation is naive, stupid, biased, or some combination of the three.


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POSTED 7:33 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 8:13 a.m. EDT, July 7, 2007

FEDS FOUND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR

The Virginian-Pilot reports that federal investigators on Friday removed 10 dog carcasses from shallow graves on property owned by Falcons quarterback Mike Vick in Surry County, Virginia.

"The found what they were looking for," a source told the Virginian-Pilot.

In June, the feds reportedly found seven dead animals on the property.

Even if Vick is ultimately not charged for the extensive dog-fighting operation housed on property that he owned, the fact that this kind of stuff was happening on real estate registered to a prominent NFL quarterback is significant, and it likely will prompt calls from animal rights groups for some type of punishment of Vick.

If Vick ultimately is indicted on dog-fighting charges, all hell could break loose, with NFL sponsors and partners rising up and demanding action.

Given that corporate sponsors were able to bully MSNBC and CBS Radio into dumping Don Imus for making an off-color joke, the NFL will find itself in a very delicate position if the guy who not long ago was one of the faces of the entire league is facing allegations that he knowingly hosted and/or participated in animal fighting.


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POSTED 11:03 p.m. EDT, July 6, 2007; UPDATED 5:34 a.m. EDT, July 7, 2007

DOES "BAD NEWZ" EQUAL "NEWPORT NEWS"?

The complaint filed earlier this week by federal authorities hoping to assume possession of the dogs seized from Mike Vick's Surry County, Virginia property in April alleges that the dog-fighting operation there was known as the "Bad Newz Kennels."

Our own Taco Bill, who apparently spends his spare time boning up on all of the latest slang posted on the oft-hilarious Urban Dictionary, has found on the site an entry for "Newport News," the town in Virginia where Vick grew up.

The first sentence reads as follows: "Newport News, affectionately known as Bad Newz is one of Virginia's largest cities in perhaps the largest metropolitan area in Virginia."

Though this link doesn't necessarily mean that Vick was involved in the dog-fighting operation, the fact that it bears the street name of his hometown does nothing to distance him from the enterprise housed on the property he owns.

UPDATE: A reader points out that Vick's official web site lists his birthplace as "Newport News, VA a.k.a. BadNews."


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POSTED 8:15 p.m. EDT, July 6, 2007

ESPN PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF VICK FENCE

In May, ESPN reported that Falcons quarterback Mike Vick is a heavyweight in the dog fighting world.

Now, on the same day that the federal agents returned to Vick's Surry County, Virginia property for the first time in more than four weeks to search for "more" animal remains, ESPN is reporting that Vick is unlikely to be indicted.

So, basically, the net result of ESPN's reporting is that Vick is a dog fighter, and that he will get away with his crimes.

Frankly, we don't buy it. We've inspected the documents obtained on Friday by the Associated Press, and they outline a dog-fighting operation so detailed and extensive that there's no way any reasonable person would believe that Vick was unaware of the venture, especially if those early reports from Virginia television stations regarding the frequency of his visits to the property are remotely accurate.

In support of its latest premise, ESPN's report seems to emphasize the notion that Vick isn't named in the federal complaint aimed at securing legal possession of the dogs that were seized from the property. But no one is named in the complaint. Thus, under the same reasoning, no one will be indicted.

Also, the presence of Len Pasquarelli's name in the report makes it automatically suspect, in our opinion. Pasquarelli has been the most ardent Vick apologist since news of the apparent dog-fighting operation first broke, due in large part (we believe) to Pasquarelli's friendship with Vick's agent, Joel Segal.

For the past two months, Pasquarelli has been urging folks not to jump to conclusions prematurely. So why should anyone conclude at this point that the guy who owned the property that hosted the dog fights won't be held legally responsible?

ESPN reports that at least three people are expected to be indicted. But that could merely be the first wave of the indictments. Doesn't anyone think that the folks who are charged will receive offers of leniency or immunity in exchange for giving up others who might have been involved?

And why would the feds tell the Falcons, the league, or anyone else that Vick likely won't be indicted? If that aspect of the report is true, maybe the feds are hoping that Vick will let his guard down a bit, perhaps by not focusing his efforts on ensuring that the guys who get indicted won't snitch.

The bottom line is that it's still far too early to conclude that Vick will be, or won't be, charged with a crime. And we still think that the feds got involved in this matter in order to send the strongest possible message to the rest of us regarding the connection between crime and the consequences thereof. The only way to do that is to fully and completely explore whether charges can be pursued against Vick. The only way to know that is to round up the suspects, put their nuts in a vise, and hope that someone will tell the truth about Vick's knowledge of (if any) and involvement in (if any) the dog-fighting operation that was housed on the property he owned.

But, hey, if Vick is never indicted, we will remind everyone that ESPN's report was spot on. The flip side of this coin, however, is that if/when Vick gets charged, we'll likely revisit the subject.


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POSTED 2:38 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 3:24 p.m. EDT, July 6, 2007

POINDEXTER TAKES ANOTHER SHOT AT FEDS

On the same day that federal agents emerged from nearly a month of silence to return to the Surry County, Virginia property of Falcons quarterback Mike Vick to search (reportedly) for "more" animal remains, local prosecutor Gerald Poindexter couldn't resist the opportunity to run his mouth -- and to further confirm our belief that he was and is unfit to properly manage such a high-profile investigation.

"I don't know what they're doing," he said, according to WAVY-TV. "They haven't arrested anybody. Why don't you find out why they haven't arrested anyone yet?"

Poindexter previously suggested that the federal investigation might be motivated by race. His latest remarks could be evidence of frustration regarding the criticism that was heaped upon him in light of the appearance that he was dragging his feet in the early stages of the investigation. The feds haven't been moving any faster, but their decision to refrain from talking to the media about the matter has largely insulated the Department of Agriculture's team from criticism.

Poindexter, in contrast, was talking about the case on a near-daily basis, and regularly contradicting himself.

As to the question that Poindexter has posed, the feds won't answer it. Indeed, if/when the feds arrest someone, there likely won't be any advance press release or warning. That's the smart way to do it, and Poindexter would be wise to watch and learn.

[chi-town324]

nothing will happen to him

[Mama's Fool]

What's good about the investigation now is the local prosecutor was taken off the case and the feds go involved. Notice how much less we heard of the case once they took it over? The local prosecutor was blabbing too much to the press...wonder what his motivation was for doing so?

[Redballjets88]

i hate how race is brought into all of this, its sad, especially when I'm watching ESPN the black commentators are defending him. and I'm NOT being racist having said that.

[POJO_Risin]

What would the half and half commentators do?

Defend him...and what to jail him at the same time...

"Um...I really...really don't think he did it...but...but...eh...but...FUCKING PUT THE FUCKER IN JAIL!"

That would be confusing...

[POJO_Risin]

Of course...if you were have A HALF mexican...and half Egyptian...you wouldn't care...race wouldn't be involved...

ATTENTION...DO WE HAVE ANY HALF Mexican and Egyptians?

[WARF]

He should have his brother Marcus fight a pitbull...

[POJO_Risin]

Shit...I would watch that...

Of course...Marcus would probably step on his fucking head before it started...

[ALinChainz]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm


POSTED 1:06 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 1:12 p.m. EDT, July 9, 2007

VICK HANDLERS USED TO BRAG ABOUT "SECLUDED" PROPERTY

A source with knowledge of certain statements made in the past by members of Mike Vick's entourage tells us that Vick's handlers used to brag that the Falcons quarterback would never get in any trouble at bars or other places where NFL players find trouble (and/or vice-versa) because Vick spends most of his time in the offseason at a secluded property in rural Virginia where, among other things, he "mess[es] around with his 50 pit bulls."

Unless Vick owned another secluded property in rural Virginia, this information further contradicts Vick's "I never go there" claim, which was made on the heels of the disclosure in late April that more than 50 dogs had been removed from his Surry County home.

It also runs contrary to the media's inexplicable softening of Vick's position from "never" to "rarely."

While we're back on the topic, we'd forgotten that pictures on Vick's now-defunct K-9 Kennels web site showed dog cages that looked a lot like the row of pens behind the Surry County property. (Thanks to the reader who reminded us of that specific wrinkle.)

As we see it, then, there are three possible explanations:

1. Vick was operating a dog breeding and dog fighting operation out of the Surry County property, and claimed that he never went there as a knee-jerk reaction to the news that the place had been raided.

2. Vick was operating a dog breeding operation out of the Surry County property, and his family members and/or friends were secretly fighting the dogs without his knowledge.

3. Vick was operating a dog breeding operation out of some other location, and his family members and/or friends independently decided to breed dogs for the purpose of fighting them in Surry County, confident that Mike Vick would never show up unannounced and inspect the contents of the land, which included three black buildings that (if Vick built them) were installed for reasons completely unrelated to dog fighting and/or breeding.

Under the scientific principle established in the Fourteenth Century by Franciscan Friar William of Ockham, the simplest explanation is usually the most accurate one. In this specific case, the fact that a man who breeds pit bulls and who owns property in rural Virginia where pit bulls are being bred (and apparently more) knows that the pit bulls are being bred (and apparently more) makes much more sense than the notion that his family members were engaged in an elaborate ruse that could have blown up at any moment if Mike popped in for a visit.

Indeed, if Vick had no knowledge of or involvement in dog fighting and merely bred pit bulls because he loves them, the family members would have been risking his wrath if he were to find out that they had transformed his passion into a pastime that results in pain, mutilation, and (often) death.

So, to anyone out there who thinks we simply have it in for Vick, we ask you to set aside your own biases and apply common sense to the objective evidence.


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POSTED 3:32 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 3:57 p.m. EDT, July 8, 2007

VICK MIGHT BE SAFER IN JAIL?

With all the talk about whether Falcons quarterback Mike Vick will face federal charges as a result of the dog-fighting operation found on property he owns in Virginia, there's one key factor that has yet to be addressed.

What kind of a reaction will Vick receive on the football field, regardless of whether he gets indicted?

A source having contacts with many NFL players tells us that many NFL players are "incensed" by Vick's offseason misadventures, and that reality is prompting speculation as to whether Vick will face late hits, cheap shots, and/or other indignities between the white lines.

And what about his teammates? Will the linemen block as zealously for a guy who, at a minimum, was so oblivious to what his family members were doing that they were able to brazenly start and maintain a dog-fighting ring on his land? Sure, they'll all say the right things publicly, but there's no way of knowing what is going on in their heads, or whether one or more of them might in a key moment release his block a split-second early, putting the quarterback in greater jeopardy.

What of the officials? Will they look the other way if/when Vick is targeted for a little more roughness than what might be necessary?

Will the league office crack down with fines? Will the Falcons complain to the media if the league office doesn't?

Can we continue to ask questions without answering any of them? And while we're act it, exactly where is the beef?

Anyway, it's an interesting point to ponder as training camp approaches. Apart from any verbal abuse that he might get from fans (on the road or at home), we think there's a very real potential for this inherently physical game to take on a far more physical component when other players get a chance to take a shot at Mr. Vick.


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VICK'S LAWYER WAS PRESENT FOR SECOND SEARCH

One interesting fact regarding the Friday, July 6 search of Mike Vick's property by federal agents that has been generally overlooked by the national media (especially those segments of it who are intent on reporting that Vick has nothing to worry about) is that, according to Mary Kay Mallonee of WAVY-TV, Vick's lawyer was present on the property during the search activities.

Though the lawyer's presence isn't, standing alone, evidence that Vick is destined to be charged with any crime, why would the lawyer feel the need to monitor the activities if he has been told that Vick likely won't be indicted?

Really, does it make any sense that Vick would send his personal attorney to a property that he claims to have never visited if Vick truly has never been there?

Regardless of what it all means, we're surprised that larger media outlets haven't mentioned this fact, which was pointed out to us by a reader.

[sadaist]

Vick was indicted today. I hope that sick fuck goes to prison and ends up Bubbas bitch.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vickindictment&prov=ap&type=lgns

[ALinChainz]

No doubt .. they find him guilty of this shit ... he's looking at serious reprecussions from the league, not mention public opinion and endorsements.

[Unchainme]

Remeber the day of the draft..The Big debate was to take Ladanian Tomlinson or him....Ummmm..Yeah..look how that turned out for the bolts!

They dodged a bullet there..

[ALinChainz]

Oh man, they got Brees in the 2nd round that year to.

Deal of the Century.

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by ALinChainz
Oh man, they got Brees in the 2nd round that year to.

Deal of the Century.

No doubt...Still a bit pissed he got dumped for Rivers...But now He's got Bush and The Saints...That guy just keeps getting better deals that land right in his lap.

I bet Atlanta is kicking themselves by not drafting a QB in the first three rounds..

[redblkwht]

If this is true i hope all the love
comes his way activists will
retire him if convicted, this goes beyond color IMO..

Ole Jesse cant save him if proven so..lol

[redblkwht]

But if it was you or I & or the Irish troll bette midler looking mofo
looking fella we'd already be behind bars, its beyond a
Double standard for athletes..

[sadaist]

Originally posted by Unchainme
Remeber the day of the draft..The Big debate was to take Ladanian Tomlinson or him....Ummmm..Yeah..look how that turned out for the bolts!

They dodged a bullet there..


Originally posted by ALinChainz
Oh man, they got Brees in the 2nd round that year to.

Deal of the Century.


The Chargers fans were owed one after the Ryan Leaf debacle.

[Steve Savicki]

future in doubt: http://www.yahoo.com/s/630158

[Unchainme]

Originally posted by Steve Savicki
future in doubt: http://www.yahoo.com/s/630158

Yo Steve...A favor to be asked of you...I appreciate the link and all..but could you also paste the story here as well...Much Apprieceted Dude..:)

[Steve Savicki]

Quarterback Michael Vick and the Atlanta Falcons took a huge hit a week before the start of training camp.

Vick is expected to be suspended by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after news broke Tuesday evening that Vick was indicted by federal authorities in connection with dog fighting in Virginia. The indictment followed a three-month investigation.

While Goodell was not reached for comment, two sources said the commissioner has been monitoring the Vick case since April, when investigators initially found evidence of dog fighting at a home Vick owned in Smithfield.


"Where (Vick) is in the most trouble is that he lied to the commissioner," a league source said. "He told (Goodell) in April that he didn't know anything about this. The commissioner gave (Vick) every chance to come clean, be straight about what was going on. Instead, he just kept denying it."

The NFL released a statement that both cautioned in not prejudging the case and said Vick would be evaluated under the league's personal conduct policy.

"We are disappointed that Michael Vick has put himself in a position where a federal grand jury has returned an indictment against him," the NFL statement read. "We will continue to closely monitor developments in this case, and to cooperate with law enforcement authorities. The activities alleged are cruel, degrading and illegal. Michael Vick's guilt has not yet been proven, and we believe that all concerned should allow the legal process to determine the facts. The matter will be reviewed under the League's Personal Conduct Policy."

Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, urged the league to take "appropriate" action.

"Dog fighting is a serious federal and state crime, and enforcement authorities have treated this investigation with the seriousness it deserves," Pacelle said. "We will continue to work with law enforcement with the intention of bringing to justice any individual who contributed to this cruel and violent treatment of animals.

"Now that Michael Vick has been indicted, the NFL should not hesitate to take appropriate disciplinary action under its internal guidelines."

The indictment is a long way from proof of guilt. In 1999, former Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tony Martin faced money laundering charges in federal court and was found not guilty.

Vick and three other men – Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor – were indicted on a pair of conspiracy charges that carry a total maximum of six years in prison if convicted.

"That indictment is brutal," said John Goodwin, the lead investigator from the Humane Society. "The details in there are amazing. That's much stronger than most of the cases I've seen."

The league was made aware by federal authorities of the indictment Tuesday afternoon about an hour before the news was released to the general public.

Until then, federal authorities had been tight-lipped with the NFL, not revealing any details of an investigation they commandeered from local authorities in May. The NFL had been in constant contact with local police in Surry County until that point and believed that Vick was going to be indicted, sensing the local authorities had enough to build a case against him, according to one of the sources.

"Obviously, we are disturbed by today's news from Virginia," the Falcons said through a statement issued Tuesday evening. "However, we are prepared to deal with it, and we will do the right thing for our club as the legal process plays out. We have a season to prepare for and training camp opens next week. Our plan is to continue to do everything we can to support our players and coaches."

Now, the question is how fast will Goodell react and how long will he suspend Vick? Vick has yet to be convicted of a crime or even be arrested during his six-year career, but Goodell has made player conduct his most significant issue through his first year in office.

Tennessee Titans cornerback Pacman Jones has been suspended for one year although he has yet to be convicted; Jones has been arrested or called into questioning by police at least 10 times since entering the league and faces charges over a shooting in Las Vegas in February.

Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry has been suspended for eight games for multiple transgressions and former Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson is also facing an eight-game suspension whenever he is signed by another team. The Bears cut Johnson in June after he was pulled over in Arizona for impaired driving.

Other NFL teams are eager to see how Goodell will react to the news on Vick. A Titans source said in May that Tennessee management was watchful of how Vick might be treated in relation to how Jones was punished.

"There's a lot riding on this one," a league source said. "Perception is really important right now for the entire league and (Goodell) has set the bar pretty high. I think the one thing going for (Goodell) if he's going to suspend Vick is that he gave Vick a chance to tell the truth."

Vick met with Goodell in New York, shortly after the raid on Vick's property, before the NFL draft in April. Vick told Goodell and said publicly that he never went to the house and that he was unaware of what his family and friends were doing there.

Reports by media outlets in Virginia disputed Vick's story. Witnesses said that Vick had been seen there many times. The federal indictment also lays out a much different story, saying that Vick participated in the commerce of dog fighting. The indictment said that dogs and participants were brought in from as far away as New York and Texas for fights.

The indictment also specifies that the raising and training of dogs were conducted at the home. The home features a series of kennels and a small building in the back where fights were supposed to have taken place.

The indictment also lays out a detailed and ugly description of how the fights were run, including how dogs that lost fights were killed afterward, if necessary. Dogs were often shot, drowned, electrocuted or strangled if they could not otherwise be saved.

"We're talking about activity that went on for years," Pacelle said. "Yes, these are accusations. But for him to have claimed that he knew nothing about the activities there is unbelievable … that's why we think the league should suspend him under its conduct policy.

"If you're just going to wait for the judicial process, why even have a conduct policy?"

If Vick is suspended for any length of time, the Falcons are likely to turn to backup quarterback Joey Harrington as the starter. Regardless, Vick's progress under new coach Bobby Petrino is expected to be thwarted as he deals with all the legal issues associated with the indictment.

[Unchainme]

thanks dude..Just gets a bit annoying seeing a thread started by you or something and all it is a link...Mucho Appreciated again dude..

[tajmahal]

I guess he is a Dirty Bird or is that a Dirty Dog. Say goodbye to your NFL career. I hoped you saved your money.

[VanHalener]

Mike Vick is once again an embarrassment to the Commonwealth of Virginia.

If these allegations are true I hope they throw the book at his ass and some grotesquely well hung man pounds Vick in his cell each night of his sentence.

Animal abusing bastard!!!!!!!:fu: :fucku: :mad2:

[ULTRAMAN VH]

So let me get this straight, super jock Mike Vick who makes enough money to purchase a small country, in his off time chooses to endorse and promote the illegal act of Dog fighting. It staggers the imagination that these overpayed dumb jocks constantly give their prospective sports a black eye. Just a few months back the USA TODAY ran an article containing 50 mug shots of NFL players involved in criminal activity from the 06 season. PATHETIC!!!! I personally have given up on professional sports. If I want to catch an athletic event I will watch a high school or college event and spare myself the agony of spending my hard earned money on these wanna be gangsta thugs.

[chi-town324]

i mean if you want to do that kind of thing wait until your career is over...he has to be one of the dumbest athlete's ever

[ALinChainz]

Apparently from nformants that he has been a fan of this for awhile.

Perhaps as early as 2000 or 2001 if Im not mistaken.

[MAX]

Fuck that (exclude racial remarks here) but this makes me that fucking mad!!!

What a sick son of a bitch!!! Here I am strugglin' to make ends meat in comparrison to that motherfucker's way of life and this shit?!?!?!?!?!? I'm by no means poor but what about the people that are? Then here's some multi-gazillionaire who's a fucking maggot? Yup, I've seen the vids, I'm a dog lover and they made me both beyond sick and livid.

Some fucking asshole, with a God given talent (most of us who've played sports growing up) could only fucking dream of achieving, let alone on a professional level fucks it up with CRUELTY and TORTURE to DOGS?!?!?!?!??!?

I hope this fuck goes to prison like "The Longest Yard" of the 70's and combine it with "Deliverance!!!"

SQUEAL LIKE ONE OF THOSE DOGS YOU MOTHERFUCK!!!

Seriously, I'm so sickened and if this asspipe gets back into the NFL, let's add it to yet another thing that society's turned to shit cos this cannot be stomached!!!

Sickening motherfucker!!!

Oh and as for them throwing in the race card, fuck that as well cos I'm sick of it!!!

Don't even get me going ther cos I'll prolly get banned!!!

No bigotry on my part but I'll call it like I see it!!! Truly disgusting and SICK!!!

I hope they make a COPS/Sopranos movie, take Vick's skull and smash it inbetween two bricks!!!

I swear, that cocksucker had better not step foot on an NFL footy field again IF the "alleged" 'tis true... :rolleyes:

[TAKIN WHISKEY]

Well there is no doubt that it is true. I really do think that he will be found guilty, but the big question is will he get jail time. Whats fucked up is he is possibly the king pen to this entire organization and he is only facing six years. If he gets caught with a bag of blow, he would be facing like 20 years. Seems they need stiffer laws against animal cruelty/dog fighting. Aurthur Blank, the owner of the Falcons should cut his ass immediately. the dude sucks at QB anyway.

[Unchainme]

Sick motherfucking bastard..He should be banned permantly from the NFL...

Have a nice time in jail scumbag...and then when you're done, enjoy The CFL, asshole.

[DlocRoth]

Personally, I'm not a dog guy....

Shit, eat the motherfuckers if you want to....

BUT...it's against the law, so fuck him. Pay the piper.

[ALinChainz]

I am a dog person and my bulldog-mastiff-boxer mix of 12 years had to be put down last month.

I adopted him from the shelter one day before his time was up and he was designated for research if no one adopted him.

I gave him 12 years he would have never seen, but it was still a damn tough thing. One of the worst things I ever had to do.

They are loyal and if bred and treated correctly, you'll never know a more loyal pet.

If Vick did this shit, I can't even explain how pissed it makes me.

Slamming them against the ground, electrocuting them, drowning them, I can't fathom.

If the dumbfuck didn't take part, and there is a 95% conviction rate when the feds get involved, I hope he is still suspended for at least the year. He told the commish to his face he had nothing to do with it.

Funny how Mort on ESPN who said on the air and in print that Vick wouldn't even be indicted is now talking about he never said it.

Another image-fucked asshole who is a sports announcer, not a celeb, and so concerned that he fucked up and got it wrong to lie about it.

Everyone in this fucking thing pisses me off.

[DlocRoth]

I feel for ya bro, seriously....

My rents never got me a dog as a kid, so I never really got into the whole man's best friend thing.

I'm more into pussy. :)

[rustoffa]

I don't particularly care for Mike Vick. As a matter of fact, I don't particularly care for the NFC, the NFL, the Arthur Blank, or that whale murdering bastard he used to sell hardware with.

IMO, these sensationalized, macabre details of elaborately executed dogs seem unbelievable.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if the nature of the grisly detail doesn't backfire on the Federal case.

Vick is a dog fighting fucking dumbass. The Feds shoulda' stuck to the plan.

Don't touch that dial.
:rolleyes:

[chi-town324]

Originally posted by ALinChainz
I am a dog person and my bulldog-mastiff-boxer mix of 12 years had to be put down last month.

I adopted him from the shelter one day before his time was up and he was designated for research if no one adopted him.

I gave him 12 years he would have never seen, but it was still a damn tough thing. One of the worst things I ever had to do.

They are loyal and if bred and treated correctly, you'll never know a more loyal pet.

If Vick did this shit, I can't even explain how pissed it makes me.

Slamming them against the ground, electrocuting them, drowning them, I can't fathom.

If the dumbfuck didn't take part, and there is a 95% conviction rate when the feds get involved, I hope he is still suspended for at least the year. He told the commish to his face he had nothing to do with it.

Funny how Mort on ESPN who said on the air and in print that Vick wouldn't even be indicted is now talking about he never said it.

Another image-fucked asshole who is a sports announcer, not a celeb, and so concerned that he fucked up and got it wrong to lie about it.

Everyone in this fucking thing pisses me off. I feel your pain AL....We had to put down my greyhound/mix Oct 2005 he was 16...tough, tough thing...I live in a 3 story condo, we live on the first floor my wifes cousin lives on the 3rd floor, anyway she has a 10 yr old Rot who now has bone cancer in her back left leg...has to drag it. and cant make it down the steps anymore..i had to carry her( the dog) down to the first floor (outside) so she could piss and then carry her back up thurs, fri, today..im the only one strong enough to carry the dog...fuckin brutal..shes going to be put down on tues...breaks my heart and its not even my dog...Mike Vick has got soem serious issues...dog fighting goes on in Chicago i know...but to hear about it just makes you want to vomit...Vick is fuckin done...he wiill never come back from this shit and shouldnt...

[diamondD]

If he's guilty, I hope the sick bastard gets gang raped daily throughout his sentence.

[ALinChainz]

Thanks dudes.

We are one of those lame type familys that make their pets actual family members and get much too attached.

After years of dogs, cats, birds, etc, I think I am done with it all.

[chi-town324]

yep we still have 3 dogs...

[cMb]

I don't care what people do in their spare time. This dogfighting shit is going to go on whether Mike Vick is guilty or not.
Vick needs to realize, because of his high profile, there is going to be jealous 'haters' that will want to knock him down.
The rat fuck who snitched on him should be beaten severely.

[VanHalener]

F#*K HIM and all involved with dog fighting:fu:

He should be thrown in a pit with a pit!

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by cMb
I don't care what people do in their spare time. This dogfighting shit is going to go on whether Mike Vick is guilty or not.
Vick needs to realize, because of his high profile, there is going to be jealous 'haters' that will want to knock him down.
The rat fuck who snitched on him should be beaten severely.

yeah just justify him killing innocent dogs.

[Vanessa]

didn't they say that his cousin was the one responsible for the dog fights? :confused:

[chi-town324]

Originally posted by Vanessa
didn't they say that his cousin was the one responsible for the dog fights? :confused: he owns the property...and it is thought that it was a cover for Vick to hold the fights himself...witnesses say he was present at fights on that property....so those who think it was only his cousin..they are wrong...he was directly involved

[cMb]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
yeah just justify him killing innocent dogs.

I'm not justifying anything.
I'm saying snitches piss me off more than dogfighting does.

[jharp84]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Of course...if you were have A HALF mexican...and half Egyptian...you wouldn't care...race wouldn't be involved...

ATTENTION...DO WE HAVE ANY HALF Mexican and Egyptians?


ME YA FUCKIN JAG OFF!

[jharp84]

IN ALL SERIOUSNESS! My wife/soon to be EX-WIFE wanted a dog, then another dog for companionship for the first dog!! I have raised dogs before(my stepmothers german shepard when I had to move back in w/dad & stepmom years back, finishing school! My wife had NO FUCKIN CLUE on the time, effort, money, love, etc. etc. Now she is gone and I have two dogs(complete incompatibility- a female beagle and a male boston terrier!) I sacrifice much for them! However I am keeping them! Whatever happens to VICK - I think it is more an athlete thing than a "race" thing!! Me- whiteboy! Partied in high school with 2 buds(black and rival gang members-1982) Before serious violence! Smoked doobs and played VH 2!!! However, back to the point! ANY VIOLENCE/ABUSE against innocent animals, in my opinion, should be CRIMINAL!!!!!

[ALinChainz]

Michael Vick ordered to stay out of training camp

By DAVE GOLDBERG, AP Football Writer

July 23, 2007

NEW YORK (AP) -- Michael Vick was ordered by commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday to stay away from the Atlanta Falcons' training camp until the league reviews the dogfighting charges against him.

"While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.

The NFL said Vick would still get his preseason pay and Goodell told the Falcons to withhold any disciplinary action of their own until the league's review was completed.

Goodell told Vick the league would complete its review quickly and that he expected full cooperation. The review is expected to involve conversations with federal law enforcement officials so the NFL can determine the strength of the case against Vick.

The Falcons open camp on Thursday, the same day Vick is scheduled to be arraigned in Richmond, Va., on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.

Team officials declined comment other than to say a news conference was scheduled Tuesday at owner Arthur Blank's office in Atlanta.

Blank, general manager Rich McKay and new coach Bobby Petrino are expected to speak publicly for the first time about their embattled quarterback. Falcons spokesman Reggie Roberts said Vick, who is in Virginia, will not attend the news conference.

Petrino's wife, Becky Petrino, said her husband had not yet returned home when The Associated Press called on Monday night.

Vick hasn't commented publicly since the team held a mini-camp in May. None of the phone messages left on his cell phone have been returned. Lawyer Lawrence Woodward of Newport News, Va., also did not respond to interview requests Monday.

Vick, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2001 draft, last season became the first quarterback ever to rush for more than 1,000 yards. He led the Falcons to an NFC wild-card win 2002, his first season as a starter, and in 2004, Vick's play helped the Falcons reach the conference title game.

NFL veteran players will earn $1,100 per week from the beginning of camp until the first week of the regular season.

The contract extension Vick signed in 2004, a 10-year deal worth approximately $130 million, calls for a $6 million salary this season.

After Vick's indictment last week, the NFL's position was that it would monitor developments and allow the legal process to "determine the facts."

Since then, pressure has been mounting on the league and the Falcons, particularly from animal-rights groups.

PETA -- People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals -- demonstrated at Falcons' headquarters in Flowery Branch, Ga., on Monday and did the same outside NFL offices in New York last week. At the same time, Goodell was meeting with officials from the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. The league and the ASPCA are working on a program to educate players about the proper treatment of animals.

Activists also pressured companies that have endorsements deals with Vick to sever their ties. Nike said it would not release a fifth signature shoe, the Air Zoom Vick V, this summer. Nike spokesman Dean Stoyer said the four shoe products and three shirts that currently bear Vick's name will remain in stores.

The Humane Society of the United States responded to the NFL's directive by renewing its call that the apparel company sever its relationship with Vick while the charges are pending.

Goodell's order came down after lengthy discussions involving the league office, the Falcons and the NFL Players' Association. Gene Upshaw, the NFLPA's executive director, was one of the first to side with Goodell when he instituted the strong Personal Conduct Policy after a season of repeated misdeeds by players.

Disciplining players has turned out to be Goodell's main focus since taking over last Sept. 1 for the retired Paul Tagliabue.

Since the end of last season, he has used the new policy to suspend Adam "Pacman" Jones of the Tennessee Titans for the entire 2007 season; and Chris Henry of Cincinnati and former Chicago Bear Tank Johnson for eight games each.

Those calling for Vick's suspension have noted that Jones, who faces charges of coercion in Las Vegas stemming from a shooting that left a man paralyzed, wasn't convicted when he was suspended.

However, league officials said there were mitigating circumstances in the Jones case.

In January, he accepted a plea agreement to dismiss public intoxication and disorderly conduct charges in Tennessee if he behaved himself for six months. League officials say that the charges in Las Vegas voided that agreement and were a major factor in his suspension.

The indictment of Vick alleges that about eight young dogs were put to death at his Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight. They were killed "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

Purses for the fights ranged from hundreds of dollars to the thousands, and participants and spectators often placed side bets on the outcome, according to the indictment

If convicted, Vick and three others charged with him could face up to six years in prison, and $350,000 in fines.

[MAX]

Fucking bullshit he still gets to play. Seriously, it makes me sick to my stomach as I've always been a dog lover and have always considered my dogs as part of the family. I cannot fathom the torture, how frightened the animals were/are. Fuckin' makes me ill. Both the league and the Falcons org should go fuck themselves if they let this motherfucker back.

[scamper]

Originally posted by MAX
Fucking bullshit he still gets to play. Seriously, it makes me sick to my stomach as I've always been a dog lover and have always considered my dogs as part of the family. I cannot fathom the torture, how frightened the animals were/are. Fuckin' makes me ill. Both the league and the Falcons org should go fuck themselves if they let this motherfucker back.

He'll never take a snap for the Falcons again. The thing that sucks is just a few weeks before this shit came out they got rid a great quarterback.

[scamper]

Oh and another thing that sucks is that (if he did it) sick people like that are roaming around.

[ELVIS]

They're doing more than roaming around...

[MAX]

Originally posted by scamper
He'll never take a snap for the Falcons again. The thing that sucks is just a few weeks before this shit came out they got rid a great quarterback.

I pray that you're correct. I was talking with others about this subject today at work. Luckily, coming from people who live, breathe, eat and shit sports 24/7 say that regardless of the legal shit, Vick will not play again in the NFL. I fucking hope so. They were saying from a pr decision that his image is beyond any repair.

I say if the alleged charges turn out to be true... :rolleyes:

Marinate Vick in brown gravy and lock him in a dogfighting ring full of hungry, trained pitbulls, rotweilers, dobermans, K-9's and any other intimidating dog. Then yell "ATTACK!!!" Just to be sure, make sure Vick's wee wee is double dipped in Beef Au Jus and wrapped in bacon so the dogs take their collective time on his worthless ass.

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally posted by MAX


Marinate Vick in brown gravy and lock him in a dogfighting ring full of hungry, trained pitbulls, rotweilers, dobermans, K-9's and any other intimidating dog. Then yell "ATTACK!!!" Just to be sure, make sure Vick's wee wee is double dipped in Beef Au Jus and wrapped in bacon so the dogs take their collective time on his worthless ass.

Too funny..... In all seriousness, dog fighting is bigger than you guys think. I've done hours and hours of research on this topic. Let me tell you that all the abuse those dogs went through, is real. This video that I posted(WARNING,) will make you angry and then make you cry. Before I started raising Pitbulls, I made sure what I was getting into. I knew a few people around my neighborhood that delt drugs, and had Pitbulls. They treated those poor dogs sooo bad, but those dogs never bit them. I said to myself, if those dogs tolerate evil owners, just think how they will love a good owner. So I was given a Pitbull 7 years ago and I really, really, love this breed. BUT..... I only trust my dogs and my families dogs that came from me. I'm not saying all other Pitbulls are mean, but I don't know how they were raised. I'll post some of my doggies. The Seal colored one is registered as Hammonds' "La Vampira De Azul" her call name is Blue. The White and Blue on is Hammonds' "Miss America" her call name is Panda Baby. Panda is the daughter of Blue. I hope you guys learn something from the video. PUNISH THE DEED, NOT THE BREED!


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[rustoffa]

Lest we forget....the very first registered APBT in all his glory! Of course, years before, dogs like Dibo weren't registered...or mistreated/"trained." Neither was Petey!!!
:)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9905/lrvg7.jpg

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Lest we forget....the very first registered APBT in all his glory! Of course, years before, dogs like Dibo weren't registered...or mistreated/"trained." Neither was Petey!!!
:)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9905/lrvg7.jpg

Dude, that is an awesome picture. I've never seen that one before. Brought a smile to my face! Thanks......

[sadaist]

Michael Vick is an upstanding citizen who has never been involved with pit bulls in any way...


http://thesportsguys.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/michaelvickdog.jpg

[chi-town324]

i really thought he would plead guilty...yea right

[MAX]

Originally posted by sadaist
Michael Vick is an upstanding citizen who has never been involved with pit bulls in any way...


http://thesportsguys.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/michaelvickdog.jpg

Oh dear...

That pic sincerely frightens the fuck out of me.

Seriously, I mean, and look at it!!!

I'm fucking speechless...

Look at the innocence in that dog's eyes and then directly compare it with that cold, evil stare of Vick's. :(

Goodness only knows if that puppy in the pic eventually ended up electrocuted, drowned, shot, mauled or body-slammed to death?!?!?!?!?

Looking at that sickening fuck of a monster fills me with so much rage and so much sorrow for the dogs.

FUCK!!!

[TAKIN WHISKEY]

He's going down. I believe they are now filing MORE charges against him.