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  • ALinChainz
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jan 2004
    • 12092

    Feds INDICT Vick

    By HANK KURZ JR. and MICHAEL FELBERBAUM, Associated Press Writers

    July 6, 2007

    SURRY, Va. (AP) -- A property owned by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was used as the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls involved" in an alleged dogfighting operation, according to court documents.

    The papers, filed by federal authorities, give details for the first time about what authorities contend was a long-running dogfighting venture. Vick is not named in the documents.

    On Friday, federal agents searched the property for a second time, using a backhoe to dig in an area about 10 feet wide by 20 feet wide. They finished their work at about 4:30 p.m. and declined to answer reporters' questions as they left.

    The documents filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Richmond and obtained Friday by The Associated Press contain the address of the Vick property that has been at the center of the investigation.

    According to the documents, dog fights have been sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" at the property since at least 2002. For the events, participants and dogs traveled from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas and other states.

    Members of the venture also knowingly transported, delivered and received dogs for animal fighting, the documents state.

    Fifty-four pit bulls were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.

    The documents said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours. The winning dog would win from "100's up to 1,000's of dollars," and participants and spectators also bet on the dogfights.

    Before fights, the participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat that could affect the other dog's performance. Sometimes participants would not feed a dog before the fight to "make it more hungry for the other dog," the documents said.

    Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents. The property has an aboveground swimming pool, and investigators were seen looking into the pool Friday.

    During a June search of the property, investigators uncovered the graves of seven pit bulls that were killed by members of "Bad Newz Kennels" following sessions to test whether the dogs would be good fighters, the documents said.

    Members of "Bad Newz Kennels" also sponsored and exhibited fights in other parts of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey and other states, the filings said.

    On Vick's Web site, he lists his birthplace as Newport News, Va., "a.k.a. BadNews."

    Friday, federal agents used shovels and heavy equipment to search the Vick property, where an informant told authorities as many as 30 dogs could be buried.

    A backhoe-front loader was brought in and used to excavate a cleared area on the property. The material found to be of interest was transferred into numerous large, ice-filled coolers and loaded into a rental truck, which left the property.

    Some of the investigators wore T-shirts reading: "Federal Agent USDA-OIG."

    An Associated Press reporter and photographer viewing the investigation from a helicopter could not clearly identify the evidence being collected.

    Investigators were digging in an area about 50 yards behind the large white house on the property. About 15 people could be seen on the property, which includes several kennels surrounded by pens made of metal fencing, other kennels and outbuildings.

    Located in southeast Virginia, the expansive property has a metal gate at the entrance and a white plastic fence around the perimeter. The fence and a large two-story building painted black behind the home obscured the work of investigators.

    More than 15 vehicles were on the property, including the rental truck and at least one Virginia State Police evidence collection truck.

    Corinne Geller, a spokeswoman for the Virginia State Police, said state authorities were working with federal investigators in an "assistance capacity."

    Vick has said he rarely visited the property. No charges have been filed.

    During an April 25 raid at the property, about half the dogs were tethered to car axles with heavy chains that allowed them to get close to each other, but not to have contact, an arrangement typical for fighting dogs, according to an affidavit.

    Later, Surry County officials secured a search warrant based on an informant's information about dogs being buried on the property, but never acted on it because prosecutor Gerald G. Poindexter said he had concerns with the wording of the document.

    On June 7, the day that warrant expired, federal officials executed their own with the help of state police investigators.

    Poindexter publicly questioned the federal government's interest in a dogfighting case. He suggested Vick's celebrity was the draw and raised race as a possible motivation. Poindexter and Vick are black, as is Sheriff Harold Brown.

    Poindexter, on vacation in Louisiana, said by telephone he was unaware of Friday's search and was still pursuing what he called a parallel investigation. He said he assumed Surry County and federal officials eventually will share their evidence.

    Vick initially said he had no idea the property might have been used in a criminal enterprise and blamed family members for taking advantage of his generosity. He also put the house up for sale and reportedly sold it quickly, although there is no record that the sale has closed. Vick has since declined to talk about the investigation.

    Michael Felberbaum reported from Richmond.
  • rustoffa
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 8959

    #2
    You know, these accusations regarding Michael Vick's association with dogfighting are finally starting to resonate! Jesus Fucking Christ!!!....what the fuck? Have I been asleep for months since the first pictures of the asinine "compound" appeared? Good googly moogly....I mean, there was a semi-x-travagant home situated on rural property.....with video of TREADMILLS being hauled off by LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!

    Thank the lord above that the cloudy veil surrounding my perception of reality has finally drifted away!!!

    Vick is a fucking dumbass. He can barely form motherfucking sentences...he could give a fuck less about anything that STUPID MOTHERFUCKING, INSTANT GRATIFICATION DRIVEN, INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT DIPSHITS don't give a fuck about.

    Personally? I'D ENJOY EXECUTING EVERY SINGLE PERSON that exploits the long-forgotten nature of properly trained BULLDOGS... regardless of race, creed, or national origin.

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    • ALinChainz
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jan 2004
      • 12092

      #3
      I hear you stoffa.

      They haven't named Vick yet, but there are informants that have came out and placed him at fights.

      It could start getting good.

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      • Romeo Delight
        ROCKSTAR

        • Feb 2005
        • 5139

        #4
        They were digging up the evidence today...buried dogs in the backyard.

        Not cool.
        sigpicRoth Army Canada

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        • ALinChainz
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jan 2004
          • 12092

          #5
          What bothers me too is the prosecutor having to bring race into it.

          Why the fuck would that matter?

          If a white guy had all those dogs seized with injuries and dogs buried, blood stains, etc, I would still be pissed about it.

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          • rustoffa
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 8959

            #6
            It's interesting, I had the chance to see this badass motherfucking dog a couple weeks back. Well-bred....full on legacy of destruction. The little fucker came running over, wagging his tail. I asked ol' so and so why that particular badass was running loose...ol' so and so assured me that everything was ok. This particular dog that was running loose around a bunch of other well-bred dogs is arguably worth a 2K stud fee!!!

            He eventually asked how my old dog was doing, and I told him about the poisoning story. Then, I told him he was in the car...still alive!!

            After that, we got drunk, and barbecued a chicken.

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            • stringfelowhawk
              Foot Soldier
              • Mar 2004
              • 559

              #7
              My niece has a red nose pit with green eyes which I hear is pretty rare and our biggest fear is someone stealing her to fight her. She's only 7 mths old and the sweetest temperment imaginable. I've mentioned my 3/4 Shiba Inu and 1/4 Chow mix taking her in when she first brought her home. My dog will be 8 yrs old next month and they will play for hours at a time. She is very special to me and I see her as my family. Dog fighting is a disgusting thing that is inexcusable on every level. I can't watch cruelty to animals. I stopped watching Animal Precinct because it was just to heartbreaking. You can attack me if you want but that's how I feel.
              Mine's scarey intelligent, friendly and an outstanding watch dog. I know without a doubt she would protect me to the death. Knowing that I feel she should expect nothing less in return.

              If Vick is guilty he should be thrown in the ring with a bunch of his own dogs as they are a jury of his peers.
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              • ALinChainz
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jan 2004
                • 12092

                #8
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                POSTED 11:40 a.m. EDT, July 7, 2007

                A VICK SUMMARY AND REALITY CHECK


                On Friday, ESPN proclaimed that Falcons quarterback Mike Vick likely won't be indicted by federal authorities in connection with the investigation regarding the dog-fighting operation, known according to a federal complaint as "Bad Newz Kennels," that was housed on property that he owns.

                On Friday night, we called out ESPN for trying to play both sides of the fence on the Vick issue, reporting on one hand that he's a "heavyweight" among dog fighters and on the other hand that he's likely to get away with it.

                Apparently, the Friday night/Saturday morning mission of chief Vick apologist Len Pasquarelli was to try to harmonize the contradictory ESPN reports.

                Good luck with that.

                Amazingly, Len characterizes the overall events of Friday, on which federals investigators wanted to find, and did find, ten more dog carcasses in shallow graves on property that Vick owns (did we mention that he owns the property where the dead dogs were found?) as a positive for Vick, since it came with the news that he's not likely to be named in the first wave of indictments.

                In the last line of the story, Len calls Friday's events a "respite" for Vick and the Falcons organization.

                A respite? What will he call the day that Vick does a perp walk? A brief detour through a meadow of daisies?

                Though Pasquarelli (and, vicariously, ESPN) acknowledges that Vick shouldn't exhale yet and that the "ongoing investigation" could still entangle the guy who owns the property hosting the dog fighting operation named for the slang reference to the town where he was raised, the overall tone of Len's latest item is that Vick is, was, and probably will be deemed innocent, and that anyone who thinks otherwise either is jumping to unwarranted conclusions, or is a racist.

                But let's summarize the available evidence:

                1. Vick owned the property from which more than 50 dogs and evidence of dog fighting were seized in late April.

                2. Vick's first and only comments came two days after the initial search, when evidence and details were still sketchy. "I'm never at the house," he said on April 27. "I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven't been doing the right thing."

                How in the hell could Vick know that his family members "haven't been doing the right thing" only two days after the search happened? It was, in our view, a colossal slip by Vick, since only someone who had knowledge of what was happening there would have enough information to publicly blame his family members for it.

                3. Vick has only ever said "I'm never at the house." Somehow, his contention has been mangled by the "real" media into "I'm rarely at the house."

                The distinction is HUGE.

                In a case like this, where there likely will be no direct evidence of Vick's presence at a dog fight, circumstantial evidence is critical. Given the size and the scope of the dog fighting operation, any credible evidence to contradict his "I'm never at the house" routine is devastating to the Sgt. Schulz defense that Mike tried to float before the lawyers crammed a sock in his throat.

                4. Multiple reports later surfaced from credible media operations like SI.com and ESPN's Outside the Lines linking Vick directly to dog fighting. Chris Landry of FOX Sports Radio said that Ray Buchanan of FOX Sports Radio (and formerly of the Falcons) explained during the weekend of the draft that Vick was clearly involved in dog fighting and openly talked about it in the locker room. When confronted with the issue, Buchanan gave (in our opinion) an extremely unconvincing explanation, and it was clear to us that his sole motivation was and is to avoid snitching on a current NFL player.

                5. Through all of the media reports tying him to dog fighting, Vick and his handlers have not uttered a single peep. In a court of law, silence cannot be regarded as evidence of guilt. In the court of public opinion, the notion of a truly innocent man saying nothing at all as his name and reputation are dragged through the dog doo-doo by false and fabricated media reports is downright damning.

                6. Federal authorities have twice been to the property, and have removed a total of 17 dog carcasses. The fact that they got what they were looking for suggests that they have an informant who is giving them solid information. Thus, it's unlikely that many (any) of those dogs died of natural causes, but that the bodies instead are evidence that (as alleged in the federal complaint filed earlier this week) the members of the Bad Newz Kennels often killed canines that had been on the losing end of a fight.

                7. In June, Vick's cousin who lived at the house, Davon Boddie, gave a bizarre interview to WAVY-TV, during which he claimed that the dogs found in April had been planted on the property by folks who snuck through the woods.

                Folks, if you add all that up and apply some basic common sense, it doesn't look pretty for the guy that owned the property that housed the dog-fighting operation.

                Also, there's no evidence that the feds have interviewed Vick or Boddie or anyone else who knows anything about the situation. Our guess is that the authorities are wisely and prudently and patiently getting their forensic evidence buttoned up before they start turning the screws up on the suspects.

                That specific aspect of the investigation could lead to all sorts of interesting outcomes. If anyone lies to investigators, they'll be subject to the Martha Stewart/Scooter Libby treatment. If they exercises their constitutional right not to speak, they are inviting indictments, since they will have provided investigators with nothing to refute any conclusions that have been drawn regarding potential guilt.

                In light of everything set forth above, and given the current status of the investigation, we firmly believe that anyone who thinks that the man: (1) who owned the property; (2) who initially claimed that he never goes there; (3) who blamed his family members for "not doing the right thing" at a time when it was too early to conclude that anyone had done anything wrong; and (4) who has since kept his mouth shut in the face of damaging evidence is not the chief suspect in and ultimate target of the ongoing investigation is naive, stupid, biased, or some combination of the three.


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                POSTED 7:33 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 8:13 a.m. EDT, July 7, 2007

                FEDS FOUND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR


                The Virginian-Pilot reports that federal investigators on Friday removed 10 dog carcasses from shallow graves on property owned by Falcons quarterback Mike Vick in Surry County, Virginia.

                "The found what they were looking for," a source told the Virginian-Pilot.

                In June, the feds reportedly found seven dead animals on the property.

                Even if Vick is ultimately not charged for the extensive dog-fighting operation housed on property that he owned, the fact that this kind of stuff was happening on real estate registered to a prominent NFL quarterback is significant, and it likely will prompt calls from animal rights groups for some type of punishment of Vick.

                If Vick ultimately is indicted on dog-fighting charges, all hell could break loose, with NFL sponsors and partners rising up and demanding action.

                Given that corporate sponsors were able to bully MSNBC and CBS Radio into dumping Don Imus for making an off-color joke, the NFL will find itself in a very delicate position if the guy who not long ago was one of the faces of the entire league is facing allegations that he knowingly hosted and/or participated in animal fighting.


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                POSTED 11:03 p.m. EDT, July 6, 2007; UPDATED 5:34 a.m. EDT, July 7, 2007

                DOES "BAD NEWZ" EQUAL "NEWPORT NEWS"?


                The complaint filed earlier this week by federal authorities hoping to assume possession of the dogs seized from Mike Vick's Surry County, Virginia property in April alleges that the dog-fighting operation there was known as the "Bad Newz Kennels."

                Our own Taco Bill, who apparently spends his spare time boning up on all of the latest slang posted on the oft-hilarious Urban Dictionary, has found on the site an entry for "Newport News," the town in Virginia where Vick grew up.

                The first sentence reads as follows: "Newport News, affectionately known as Bad Newz is one of Virginia's largest cities in perhaps the largest metropolitan area in Virginia."

                Though this link doesn't necessarily mean that Vick was involved in the dog-fighting operation, the fact that it bears the street name of his hometown does nothing to distance him from the enterprise housed on the property he owns.

                UPDATE: A reader points out that Vick's official web site lists his birthplace as "Newport News, VA a.k.a. BadNews."


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                POSTED 8:15 p.m. EDT, July 6, 2007

                ESPN PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF VICK FENCE


                In May, ESPN reported that Falcons quarterback Mike Vick is a heavyweight in the dog fighting world.

                Now, on the same day that the federal agents returned to Vick's Surry County, Virginia property for the first time in more than four weeks to search for "more" animal remains, ESPN is reporting that Vick is unlikely to be indicted.

                So, basically, the net result of ESPN's reporting is that Vick is a dog fighter, and that he will get away with his crimes.

                Frankly, we don't buy it. We've inspected the documents obtained on Friday by the Associated Press, and they outline a dog-fighting operation so detailed and extensive that there's no way any reasonable person would believe that Vick was unaware of the venture, especially if those early reports from Virginia television stations regarding the frequency of his visits to the property are remotely accurate.

                In support of its latest premise, ESPN's report seems to emphasize the notion that Vick isn't named in the federal complaint aimed at securing legal possession of the dogs that were seized from the property. But no one is named in the complaint. Thus, under the same reasoning, no one will be indicted.

                Also, the presence of Len Pasquarelli's name in the report makes it automatically suspect, in our opinion. Pasquarelli has been the most ardent Vick apologist since news of the apparent dog-fighting operation first broke, due in large part (we believe) to Pasquarelli's friendship with Vick's agent, Joel Segal.

                For the past two months, Pasquarelli has been urging folks not to jump to conclusions prematurely. So why should anyone conclude at this point that the guy who owned the property that hosted the dog fights won't be held legally responsible?

                ESPN reports that at least three people are expected to be indicted. But that could merely be the first wave of the indictments. Doesn't anyone think that the folks who are charged will receive offers of leniency or immunity in exchange for giving up others who might have been involved?

                And why would the feds tell the Falcons, the league, or anyone else that Vick likely won't be indicted? If that aspect of the report is true, maybe the feds are hoping that Vick will let his guard down a bit, perhaps by not focusing his efforts on ensuring that the guys who get indicted won't snitch.

                The bottom line is that it's still far too early to conclude that Vick will be, or won't be, charged with a crime. And we still think that the feds got involved in this matter in order to send the strongest possible message to the rest of us regarding the connection between crime and the consequences thereof. The only way to do that is to fully and completely explore whether charges can be pursued against Vick. The only way to know that is to round up the suspects, put their nuts in a vise, and hope that someone will tell the truth about Vick's knowledge of (if any) and involvement in (if any) the dog-fighting operation that was housed on the property he owned.

                But, hey, if Vick is never indicted, we will remind everyone that ESPN's report was spot on. The flip side of this coin, however, is that if/when Vick gets charged, we'll likely revisit the subject.


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                POSTED 2:38 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 3:24 p.m. EDT, July 6, 2007

                POINDEXTER TAKES ANOTHER SHOT AT FEDS


                On the same day that federal agents emerged from nearly a month of silence to return to the Surry County, Virginia property of Falcons quarterback Mike Vick to search (reportedly) for "more" animal remains, local prosecutor Gerald Poindexter couldn't resist the opportunity to run his mouth -- and to further confirm our belief that he was and is unfit to properly manage such a high-profile investigation.

                "I don't know what they're doing," he said, according to WAVY-TV. "They haven't arrested anybody. Why don't you find out why they haven't arrested anyone yet?"

                Poindexter previously suggested that the federal investigation might be motivated by race. His latest remarks could be evidence of frustration regarding the criticism that was heaped upon him in light of the appearance that he was dragging his feet in the early stages of the investigation. The feds haven't been moving any faster, but their decision to refrain from talking to the media about the matter has largely insulated the Department of Agriculture's team from criticism.

                Poindexter, in contrast, was talking about the case on a near-daily basis, and regularly contradicting himself.

                As to the question that Poindexter has posed, the feds won't answer it. Indeed, if/when the feds arrest someone, there likely won't be any advance press release or warning. That's the smart way to do it, and Poindexter would be wise to watch and learn.

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                • chi-town324
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 2618

                  #9
                  nothing will happen to him

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                  • Mama's Fool
                    Head Fluffer
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 200

                    #10
                    What's good about the investigation now is the local prosecutor was taken off the case and the feds go involved. Notice how much less we heard of the case once they took it over? The local prosecutor was blabbing too much to the press...wonder what his motivation was for doing so?

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                    • Redballjets88
                      Full Member Status

                      • Mar 2005
                      • 4469

                      #11
                      i hate how race is brought into all of this, its sad, especially when I'm watching ESPN the black commentators are defending him. and I'm NOT being racist having said that.
                      R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                      hopefully God will ressurect you

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                      • POJO_Risin
                        Roth Army Caesar
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 40648

                        #12
                        What would the half and half commentators do?

                        Defend him...and what to jail him at the same time...

                        "Um...I really...really don't think he did it...but...but...eh...but...FUCKING PUT THE FUCKER IN JAIL!"

                        That would be confusing...
                        "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                        • POJO_Risin
                          Roth Army Caesar
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 40648

                          #13
                          Of course...if you were have A HALF mexican...and half Egyptian...you wouldn't care...race wouldn't be involved...

                          ATTENTION...DO WE HAVE ANY HALF Mexican and Egyptians?
                          "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                          • WARF
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 15320

                            #14
                            He should have his brother Marcus fight a pitbull...

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                            • POJO_Risin
                              Roth Army Caesar
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 40648

                              #15
                              Shit...I would watch that...

                              Of course...Marcus would probably step on his fucking head before it started...
                              "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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