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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
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    October 27, 1947--The Real Day of Infamy?

    October 27, 1947--The Real Day of Infamy?

    by Larry C. Johnson

    Imagine it is October 27, 1947. Why October 27, 1947? Because that date is 2128 days from December 7, 1941 and the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. So what? Today, 12 July 2007, marks 2128 days since Al Qaeda attacked us on 11 September 2001.

    Can we envision President Harry Truman holding a press conference to trumpet the progress in the war against Japan while the leaders of Japan remained untouched? Would Truman offer an upbeat presentation if the United States is unable to quell the violence wracking Japan?

    Would the press in World War II add insult to injury? One reporter (and only one reporter) would, at the very end of the press conference, ask why the intelligence community believes Japan is just as strong as it was when it attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. President Truman dismisses the report and insists that Japan is in fact weaker and that we must stay the course. However, the United States does not have enough troops to confront the threat and Truman is unwilling to impose a draft or seek additional forces from other countries.

    Fortunately, this is bad fiction. The United States defeated Japan in 1361 days (i.e., three years and 10 months). Sadly we cannot make the same claim about Al Qaeda.

    But this is truly puzzling. Unlike the Imperial Army of Japan, Al Qaeda does not have a 1.7 million man Army. Al Qaeda does not have . . . .

    an armada of battleships and aircraft carriers. Al Qaeda does not have an air force of crack fighters. An Al Qaeda has not killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

    The truth is we conflate Al Qaeda with Islamic extremists in general. We talk about Al Qaeda as if it is a hierarchical international corporation, with groups regularly signing up as "new" members. We act as if they issue identity cards to their members. Sort of like AARP or the Sierra Club, only lethal.

    We need to cut the bullshit and stop deluding and scaring ourselves at the same time. There are Islamic extremists in the world who would like to do us harm. If left to their own devices, if allowed unfettered training, if permitted to travel at will, and if ignored we would likely see regular attacks and a significant loss of life.

    But they aren't and we aren't. If terrorism was a simple matter of desire and intent then I have no doubt we would see daily attacks in most every country in the world. But that is not the reality. Outside of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan there is very little terrorist activity. Why do we persist in acting as if we are the Brits being blitzed every day by Nazi missiles?

    The Bush Administration is in a quandary. On the one hand they want to dupe Americans into believing the violence in Iraq is the handiwork of Al Qaeda. Except, on other days, they want to blame the Explosively Formed Projectiles on the Iranians. And, on other days, they act as if Al Qaeda and Iran are working together.

    The remanants of Al Qaeda are hiding out principally in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan--a de facto autonomous region--and regularly issuing threats. Ayman Zwahiri makes fairly regular TV appearances to fuss, fume, and bully the West, but the operational capability of Al Qaeda operatives has markedly declined.

    Meanwhile, we approach the six year mark in the so-called war with Al Qaeda and the Bush Administration has failed to put someone in charge of finding and killing Bin Laden. Sure the CIA is doing some things as is the FBI and the U.S. military's special operations forces. But there is not a coordinated, organized effort.

    I do not take the Global War on Terrorism seriously because we are not serious about it. It is used primarily to gain political advantage and enrich government contractors. But the war effort itself is neither well-organized nor soundly conceived. So excuse me while I blow the horseshit whistle on the latest fear mongering.



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  • Nitro Express
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    • Aug 2004
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    #2
    And what about Shia Iran backed Hezbolla? They are a more powerful and organized organization than Al Quaida which is a Sunni organization.

    The big boo boo with Iraq is nobody took in consideration the ethnic and religiouse factors of the country we were invading. Any fool with a few hours of internet research would know not to go in there because we would destabalize things and cause a civil war.

    Now Turkey has over 100,000 troops on the north Iraqi border. They may invade to get at the Kurds and the north oil fields since Turkey's economy is in the toilet and need money badly. Then Iran is backing the shia majoriy in Iraq and backing Hezbola who is in the process of taking over Lebannon.

    Bush destabalized the whole middle east when there was no need to do so. Terrorists groups are small. They are not countries. Better to battle them with increased security at home and covert opperations than big military invasions. Saddam killed terrorists and kept Iran at bay. Now we have made Iran the biggest player in the middle east.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Nitro Express
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      • Aug 2004
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      #3
      And oh yeah, Bush's surge is going to end a civil war between waring factions that have been fighting each other for 1,300 years. Yeah right. What a fuck.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • Nitro Express
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        • Aug 2004
        • 32794

        #4
        Call it war on terror, shock and aw, or surge. It's all the same fucking machine with a different color of jelly dildo attatched.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • ODShowtime
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          • Jun 2004
          • 5812

          #5
          Originally posted by Nitro Express
          The big boo boo with Iraq is nobody took in consideration the ethnic and religiouse factors of the country we were invading. Any fool with a few hours of internet research would know not to go in there because we would destabalize things and cause a civil war.
          It makes you wonder whether they could actually be that incompetent. Could they? Because if they aren't their goals are quite nefarious.

          Either way it's shady as fuck.
          gnaw on it

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          • Nickdfresh
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            • Oct 2004
            • 49125

            #6
            We haven't gotten Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri for the same reason that 9/11 was largely allowed to happen: we need enemies to fear. If the US had defeated al Qaida en masse, what would the Bush Admin do?

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            • Baby's On Fire
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              • May 2004
              • 1747

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              We haven't gotten Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri for the same reason that 9/11 was largely allowed to happen: we need enemies to fear. If the US had defeated al Qaida en masse, what would the Bush Admin do?
              This is a simple answer: They would have more time to focus on fucking-up the economy, even more than they already have.

              Except they don't want to spend their time doing that, because Dickhead Cheney's overseers at Haliburton get richer off war and the resulting murder caused by these assholes.

              The entire BCE should be hanged for treason, war crimes, and general mass murder. It should have been right along with Saddam Hussein.

              Now that would be right.

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              • Baby's On Fire
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                • May 2004
                • 1747

                #8
                Originally posted by ODShowtime
                It makes you wonder whether they could actually be that incompetent. Could they? Because if they aren't their goals are quite nefarious.

                Either way it's shady as fuck.
                I think they really are that imcompetent, and that nefarious at the same time. Or rather, Bush is the incompetent idiot (who can barely speak fucking English, quite literally), and Dickhead Cheney is the nefarious one, pulling Bush's puppet strings, along with Haliburton and whoever the fuck else is running the shadow government.

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                • Redballjets88
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                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4453

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
                  This is a simple answer: They would have more time to focus on fucking-up the economy, even more than they already have.

                  Except they don't want to spend their time doing that, because Dickhead Cheney's overseers at Haliburton get richer off war and the resulting murder caused by these assholes.

                  The entire BCE should be hanged for treason, war crimes, and general mass murder. It should have been right along with Saddam Hussein.

                  Now that would be right.
                  actually halliburton stock has been falling for almost a year now.
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                  • Redballjets88
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                    • Mar 2005
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
                    This is a simple answer: They would have more time to focus on fucking-up the economy, even more than they already have.

                    Except they don't want to spend their time doing that, because Dickhead Cheney's overseers at Haliburton get richer off war and the resulting murder caused by these assholes.

                    The entire BCE should be hanged for treason, war crimes, and general mass murder. It should have been right along with Saddam Hussein.

                    Now that would be right.

                    and please stop calling american troops murderers, i really don't like that.
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                    • Baby's On Fire
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                      • May 2004
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Redballjets88
                      and please stop calling american troops murderers, i really don't like that.
                      I am not calling the troops muderers. I am calling Bush, Cheney and all the BCE minions murderers. They are mass murderers, traitors, and they are evil.

                      They have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, all predictaed on lies for financial gain.

                      They are FAR WORSE than Saddam Hussein. Far far worse human beings.

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                      • Baby's On Fire
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                        • May 2004
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Redballjets88
                        actually halliburton stock has been falling for almost a year now.
                        That doesn't mean the principles of Haliburton aren't making money. They are probably skimming billions off the top. Billions. It's the common shareholders losing money, not the execs. NO WAY are the execs losing money.

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                        • Redballjets88
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                          • Mar 2005
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                          #13
                          thats the fucking same as saying the troops are murderers, because they are the ones in iraqi, and thats ignorant if you think that so fuck you, you fucking dick. I'll make sure sarge knows ya think he is a murderer.
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                          • FORD
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                            • Jan 2004
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Redballjets88
                            thats the fucking same as saying the troops are murderers, because they are the ones in iraqi, and thats ignorant if you think that so fuck you, you fucking dick. I'll make sure sarge knows ya think he is a murderer.
                            Leave Sarge out of this, shit for brains. You aren't qualified to speak for him. Nor am I for that matter, but I do know that he's no fan of the BCE.
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                            • Redballjets88
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                              • Mar 2005
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                              #15
                              i know he isn't. and i was stating that because it is something a little bit closer to home for this canadian guy because i doubt he knows any american soldiers, while saying they are murderers. and fuck you ford you can't dictate what I say nor do you know how my syntax is being used when I'm typing.
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