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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Pace: US Weighs Larger 'Surge' in Iraq

    Pace: US Weighs Larger 'Surge' in Iraq

    Jul 16 04:18 PM US/Eastern
    By ROBERT BURNS
    AP Military Writer



    BAGHDAD (AP) - The U.S. military is weighing new directions in Iraq, including an even bigger troop buildup if President Bush thinks his "surge" strategy needs a further boost, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday.
    Marine Gen. Peter Pace revealed that he and the chiefs of the Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Air Force are developing their own assessment of the situation in Iraq, to be presented to Bush in September. That will be separate from the highly anticipated report to Congress that month by Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander for Iraq.

    The Joint Chiefs are considering a range of actions, including another troop buildup, Pace said without making any predictions. He called it prudent planning to enable the services to be ready for Bush's decision.

    The military must "be prepared for whatever it's going to look like two months from now," Pace said in an interview with two reporters traveling with him to Iraq from Washington.

    "That way, if we need to plus up or come down" in numbers of troops in Iraq, the details will have been studied, he said.

    Pace, on his first visit since U.S. commanders accelerated combat operations in mid-June, said another option under consideration is maintaining current troop levels beyond September.

    There are now about 158,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, reflecting a boost of about 30,000 to carry out the new strategy Bush announced in January. The plan is focused on providing better security for Iraqis in Baghdad, but the intended effect—political reconciliation between Sunnis and Shiites—has yet to be achieved, and many in Congress are clamoring to begin withdrawing troops soon.

    Pace said the administration must consider not only what works best on the battlefield but also the growing stress of more than four years of war on American troops and their families.

    He repeatedly mentioned his concern about soldiers and Marines doing multiple tours of duty and the decision in January to extend soldiers' Iraq deployments by three months, to 15 months.

    "That has impact on families," he said in a separate Associated Press interview at a U.S. military headquarters on the outskirts of the capital after meeting with commanders and conferring by secure video teleconference with Bush.

    Pace also conferred with Petraeus and Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 commander in Iraq, who said he did not currently foresee requesting more troops.

    "Right now I can't find an assessment where I would say I need more troops," Odierno said, adding that he is confident that by September he will be able to give Petraeus his advice on how the troop buildup is working.

    "My assessment right now is, I need more time" to understand how the offensive targeting al-Qaida in Iraq is working and how it could lead to political progress, Odierno said.

    "I'm seeing some progress now here in Iraq. We have really just started what the Iraqis term 'liberating' them from al-Qaida. What I've got to determine is what do I need in order to continue that progress so that the political piece can then take hold and Iraqi security forces can hold this for the long term."

    Pace said he saw signs of improvement since his previous visit in April, based in part on a 30-minute aerial tour of Baghdad in a Black Hawk helicopter as well as private talks with commanders.

    "The surge is having very good positive results on the streets of Baghdad," he told AP. "We have yet to see the political progress and results that you would hope to see."

    All the while, the violence continues. On Monday, a suicide truck bombing followed by two smaller car bombs killed more than 80 people and wounded at least 180 in Kirkuk, about 180 miles north of Baghdad.

    There are deep tensions between Kurds and Arabs in the city, and Sunni insurgents are believed to be moving north, fleeing the U.S. offensive around Baghdad and consolidating to carry out deadly bombings.

    At the same time, the U.S. military said American troops launched a new offensive south of Baghdad on Monday, aiming to stop weapons and fighters from moving into the capital.

    As for the U.S. troop boost, some on the Joint Chiefs had argued against it in January, in part out of concern that it could not be sustained long enough to have the desired effect and that it would put too much strain on the military.

    In the AP interview, Pace made clear that he believes the soldiers and Marines in Iraq are focused on their mission. He seemed more concerned about the possibility that families eventually would grow fed up with the strain of long separations and the worry about loved ones being killed or wounded.

    The chiefs for a number of weeks have been studying the timing of a possible U.S. military transition away from today's combat-oriented mission to one focused mainly on training Iraqi security forces while also protecting Iraq's borders and continuing the fight against terrorists.

    Without opining on any new course of action in Iraq, Pace stressed in the interview his concern that multiple combat tours for many in the Army and Marine Corps could tear at the fabric of the military. He said that is one reason he is visiting the troops now—to hear their concerns, assess their morale and explain to them why he advocated extending Army tours from 12 months to 15.

    He said he also would stop in Germany this week to meet with family members of military units that are affected by tour extensions.

    Pace, who will be replaced soon by Adm. Michael Mullen as Joint Chiefs chairman, was asked whether he feels political pressure amid a heated and prolonged Iraq debate in Congress and the approach of the 2008 elections.

    "I don't feel any pressure" of that sort, he said.

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  • BITEYOASS
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6530

    #2
    What a fuckin brown noser Gen. Pace is, he is the same guy who thinks Rumsfeld is inspired by God.

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    • BITEYOASS
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2004
      • 6530

      #3
      And I can say whatever I want about that sonofabitch, cuz my IRR contract ended 8 days ago!

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      • Hardrock69
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Feb 2005
        • 21888

        #4
        They oughta have a surge alright.

        Just go through Iraq one fucking village at a time, and kill every living thing that walketh, stumbleth, fucketh, and creepeth on the Earth!

        What happened to the good old days when going to war meant actually ATTACKING PEOPLE????


        I bet with no living creatures left in Iraq except US soldiers, the number of terrorist attacks would drop to zero!

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49203

          #5
          Will your son pretend he's gay to get out of the draft, Brian?

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          • DEMON CUNT
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Nov 2004
            • 3242

            #6
            The first "surge" kicked so much ass that they are planning a sequel. And another. And another. And another. And another. And another.
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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32797

              #7
              Originally posted by Hardrock69
              They oughta have a surge alright.

              Just go through Iraq one fucking village at a time, and kill every living thing that walketh, stumbleth, fucketh, and creepeth on the Earth!

              What happened to the good old days when going to war meant actually ATTACKING PEOPLE????


              I bet with no living creatures left in Iraq except US soldiers, the number of terrorist attacks would drop to zero!
              We could have all stayed home and nuked them.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32797

                #8
                Making the oil fields radioactive would have really driven the price of oil up and Bush's friends and backers would have really been celebrating.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32797

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
                  The first "surge" kicked so much ass that they are planning a sequel. And another. And another. And another. And another. And another.
                  If you are under 43, you can get $20,000 for signing up for the US Army.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Angel
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 7481

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    Will your son pretend he's gay to get out of the draft, Brian?
                    OMG!!! I thought gays were allowed in the military now??? Fuck man, for such a "progressive" nation, you guys sure are behind... and anal (pardon the pun!)
                    "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                    • Angel
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7481

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Hardrock69
                      They oughta have a surge alright.

                      Just go through Iraq one fucking village at a time, and kill every living thing that walketh, stumbleth, fucketh, and creepeth on the Earth!

                      What happened to the good old days when going to war meant actually ATTACKING PEOPLE????


                      I bet with no living creatures left in Iraq except US soldiers, the number of terrorist attacks would drop to zero!
                      WTF???? Yeah, killing innocent people is the answer. After all, you went there to save them from Saddam..... so that you could kill them all yourselves.

                      Considering your risk for terror attacks is HIGHER because of Iraq, and you are creating more terrorists every day....

                      On another note... Why was Bush so CERTAIN that Iraw had WMD's?...








                      Because he'd kept the receipts.
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                      • Hardrock69
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 21888

                        #12
                        Hey lets put you at the front of the line!

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                        • Hardrock69
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 21888

                          #13
                          I got a better idea...why don't we just launch every single nuke that we have and destroy the planet? Then we would not have any problems ever again!

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58783

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Angel
                            OMG!!! I thought gays were allowed in the military now??? Fuck man, for such a "progressive" nation, you guys sure are behind... and anal (pardon the pun!)
                            You didn't hear about the translators?


                            Some time in about mid 2001, the military fired several translators who spoke Arabic and might have picked up on some of this so-called "chatter" that might have clued the BCE in on what was about to happen.

                            Why did the translators get fired? Because they were gay.

                            Barry Goldwater, who used to be the scary edge of right wing conservatism in this country summed up the whole "gays in the military" soap opera with one line.

                            "Who gives a damn whether or not they're straight, as long as they can SHOOT straight!"
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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58783

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Angel

                              On another note... Why was Bush so CERTAIN that Iraw had WMD's?...








                              Because he'd kept the receipts.
                              It's true.......

                              Eat Us And Smile

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