Dems won't win in '08 with this kind of shit going on...

[Ellyllions]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0807/House_erupts_in_chaos.html

House erupts in chaos


In a massive flare-up of partisan tensions (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv), Republicans walked out on a House vote late Thursday night to protest what they believed to be Democratic maneuvers to reverse an unfavorable outcome for them.

The flap represents a complete breakdown in parliamentary procedure and an unprecedented low for the sometimes bitterly divided chamber.

The rancor erupted shortly before 11 p.m. as Rep. Michael R. McNulty (D-N.Y.) gaveled close the vote on a standard procedural measure with the outcome still in doubt.

Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.



One GOP aide saw McNulty gavel the vote to a close after receiving a signal from his leaders – but before reading the official tally. And votes continued to shift even after he closed the roll call - a strange development in itself.

Whatever the final tally, acrimony quickly exploded between lawmakers on either side of the aisle as Democratic leaders tried to plot a solution, while parliamentarians on either side argued over protocol.

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) eventually offered a motion to reconsider, according to floor staff on either side, ostensibly giving members a chance to recast their votes. But the maneuver sparked a chorus of angry protests from the Republicans, yelling “shame” on Democrats, while they returned fire with angry volleys of their own.

When Democrats finally moved to consider the spending bill as the last vote of the night, furious Republicans left the chamber en masse to protest the maneuver. The House eventually recessed at 11:18 p.m. But Republicans quickly discovered that there was no longer any record of the controversial vote and immediately charged Democrats with erasing the bad result.

“Obviously, the Democrats don’t want to stand up against illegal immigration – so much so that they’re willing to cheat in order to win a vote,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) said in an e-mail. “They’re desperate – and it shows.”

The official House website did not show a record of the vote as of 1 a.m. Friday.




By Patrick O'Connor 01:24 AM

[Eddie's Booze]

Re: Dems won't win in '08 with this kind of shit going on...

Originally posted by Ellyllions
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry..._in_chaos.html

House erupts in chaos


In a massive flare-up of partisan tensions (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv), Republicans walked out on a House vote late Thursday night to protest what they believed to be Democratic maneuvers to reverse an unfavorable outcome for them.

The flap represents a complete breakdown in parliamentary procedure and an unprecedented low for the sometimes bitterly divided chamber.

The rancor erupted shortly before 11 p.m. as Rep. Michael R. McNulty (D-N.Y.) gaveled close the vote on a standard procedural measure with the outcome still in doubt.

Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.



One GOP aide saw McNulty gavel the vote to a close after receiving a signal from his leaders – but before reading the official tally. And votes continued to shift even after he closed the roll call - a strange development in itself.

Whatever the final tally, acrimony quickly exploded between lawmakers on either side of the aisle as Democratic leaders tried to plot a solution, while parliamentarians on either side argued over protocol.

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) eventually offered a motion to reconsider, according to floor staff on either side, ostensibly giving members a chance to recast their votes. But the maneuver sparked a chorus of angry protests from the Republicans, yelling “shame” on Democrats, while they returned fire with angry volleys of their own.

When Democrats finally moved to consider the spending bill as the last vote of the night, furious Republicans left the chamber en masse to protest the maneuver. The House eventually recessed at 11:18 p.m. But Republicans quickly discovered that there was no longer any record of the controversial vote and immediately charged Democrats with erasing the bad result.

“Obviously, the Democrats don’t want to stand up against illegal immigration – so much so that they’re willing to cheat in order to win a vote,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) said in an e-mail. “They’re desperate – and it shows.”

The official House website did not show a record of the vote as of 1 a.m. Friday.




By Patrick O'Connor 01:24 AM

The Democrats are our "ONLY" hope

[hideyoursheep]

I "hope" they don't decide to subsidize illegals any longer.

That goes for ALL parties.

214-214?


Hmmm...

[Ellyllions]

Yeah, with the largest number of retiring American citizens (the baby-boomers) heading to the Social Security system en masse', now is NOT the time to cut Medicare benefits. I know we're a nation of "instant gratification" but this could just put us in a bigger mess at a critical time.

The final vote supposedly was 213-215 against the Bill. But according to what I've read, the voters were trying to turn in additional votes after it had been closed. The head of the committee called it adding two late vote changes. To add insult to injury...

When the vote was called, the electronic board was displaying the 213-215 vote and then called that the electronic board was "down" and couldn't be changed to reflect the 214-214 vote. Whether it was fishy or not, it sure did look like it was...

According to Fox...(or faux) the vote was left to stand as it is...

Writing my letter right now.

[Nickdfresh]

Actually, they will...

Most polls show that most Americans are somewhat sympathetic and understanding of the need for unskilled labor...

The real question is: How do we address the labor shortage in this country without corporations taking advantage of it and driving down middle class wages...

[BITEYOASS]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually, they will...

Most polls show that most Americans are somewhat sympathetic and understanding of the need for unskilled labor...

The real question is: How do we address the labor shortage in this country without corporations taking advantage of it and driving down middle class wages...

Easy, increase the number of foreign worker visas and have about 2 dozen ID booths at every border crossing. That and allow foreign workers to be under the minimum wage laws and increase the top tier tax rate since they are the ones who want to bring this labor in the first place. As far as benefits are concerned, they have to apply for citizenship in order to do that. Plus have these employers put worker stations in Mexico so we know who is coming in. Oh yeah, and if they are not from mexico or the USA when they go through the border crossings, arrest them on the spot. That way the only people crossing the desert with be smugglers and if they are armed, shoot first and ask questions later.

[Nickdfresh]

Exactly! The whole secret is that political lobbyists for business LOVE ILLIGAL labor, because they can flout wage and worker protection laws with ease...

And gov't knowingly abides this by making it intentionally difficult for companies to check IDs and the like...

But politicians, especially the Republican variety, do not really want to address this. They just want to talk about "walls" and search and border destroy missions...