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Viking
08-14-2007, 06:32 PM
Dell to run Windows and Linux togetherAug 14 2007


Dell is developing consumer PCs that can run multiple versions of Microsoft's Windows and Linux software at the same time.

Users of the new Dell PCs would be able to simultaneously run multiple, software-generated computers on one machine, using an increasingly popular technology known as 'virtualisation' that allows greater flexibility and computing security.

One virtual machine might run Windows Vista and handle every day computing tasks, while another could be used only to browse the internet, limiting any security threats to the parameters of the virtual machine - which could be deleted.

A third virtual machine might run a version of Linux that is compatible with programs on the user's work computer. And a fourth virtual machine might run Windows XP software that is not compatible with the Windows Vista machine.

Such PCs could go on sale as early as next year, Dell chief technology officer Kevin Kettler said while attending the LinuxWorld conference in San Francisco.


However, he declined to say whether the machines will be able to run Apple's OS X software designed for its Macintosh computers, whose sales are growing faster than the overall PC market.


"I can't speculate on that," Mr Kettler said. "Virtualisation is very powerful. It's an environment that would allow many different operating systems to co-exist. You can interpret that however you would like."


Mac computers are able to run Windows software using virtualisation programs, including SWsoft's Parallels and VMware's Fusion.


Dell is developing the machines with help from several partners, including EMC Corp's VMware business, which is expected to go public through an initial public offering next week and privately held SWsoft, he said.


The technology is already being used in consumer PCs, although so far it is not heavily marketed by personal computer makers other than Apple, which uses the same kind of microprocessors from Intel in its Mac computers that are used in many PCs that run on Microsoft Windows.


A virtualisation software package known as Parallels from privately held SWsoft is one of the top-selling programs for Macintosh computers.

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FORD
08-14-2007, 06:42 PM
Virtual machines can be good things.... except that they're horrendously slow. and if you have say, for example, Linux running as a main OS, and Windows running in a virtual machine, that's gonna suck up a lot of resources.

I could live with a straight Linux system most of the time these days, except when it comes to multimedia stuff, and Linux is catching up there. Only thing keeping me running Windows at the moment is that my fucking shithead phone company (SunRocket) went tits up, and while I search for a permanent solution, my temporary phone setup requires that I run Windows XP (www.magicjack.com)

As soon as they get Linux drivers written, I'm back to whatever the latest Debian/Ubuntu offshoot is.

m_dixon1984
08-14-2007, 07:19 PM
This is news???

VMs have been around for years.

All you need is RAM and you can run as many you like.

I've had a server class machine with 16Gb of RAM, and dual-processors, running 5 or more VMs for the past 3 years. Native OS is Windows. Performance degrades if you attempt to access multiple VMs from within the host but most access is performed remotely (from other workstations) so this isn't really an issue.

A consumer class PC with 2Gb can easily run a second OS. Get a PC with 4Gb and you're laughing.

I guess with Vista not really taking off with the public, slow support coming from OEMs, and hardware manufacturers ever looking to get people to upgrade, they have to try to sell something new to consumers.

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Viking
08-14-2007, 08:42 PM
Vista is too damn buggy, and will be until they get a couple of service packs in. My new P4 battlerig is almost ready, and Vista keeps puking on it's shoes everytime it butts heads with my GeForce drivers (allegedly Vista-compliant). I may toy with a VM config when I'm done - I initially set it up with a 200 GB SATA boot drive, but will probably go to a supported RAID 1 array with I get full internal bay coolers and hit the 1 TB storage target (it's all that damn porn, ya know. :D) I've played with Ubuntu, but wasn't too impressed with it. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance. I'm just a Mandriva kind of guy, Linux-wise. I keep two hard drives for my laptop - XP and Mandriva - and recently built a Mandriva workstation, but my squaw found a way to smoke the mobo a week after I had it on the network.

m_dixon1984
08-14-2007, 09:17 PM
Vista isn't worth the hassle anyway.

Stick with your Linux distros and run XP or Vista in a VM, if you have to. The VM virtualized hardware, in VMWare and MS Virutal PC, seems to have no problems with Vista and certainly not XP. Obviously, in the VM, you can't expect cutting edge performance but as long as you're not gaming it shouldn't really matter.

Ubuntu is perfect for the standard non-techie type and even for those looking for some advanced features. It's not my preferred distro for enterprise level stuff (still a RedHat/Fedora fan there)

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MERRYKISSMASS2U
08-14-2007, 09:19 PM
Yeah, um, OS X.

m_dixon1984
08-14-2007, 09:34 PM
OS X...also good.

Too bad their newest, highly touted release has been delayed. I've been itching to buy a Mac but am waiting for the new Leopard OS. No particular reason...just don't want to be upgrading a new Mac so soon after I buy it.

Probably go for a MacBook or MacBookPro since I don't have a personal laptop right now.

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flappo
08-15-2007, 02:04 PM
mike dell must be fucking pissed that he made those dumb fucking remarks in 1997 aboot apple

now they're in a place to help the fucking douchebag out and jobs will help him out sooner than dave sucks sammy's cock live on stagge...

ha

dell = pos plastic shit for fucking morons

MERRYKISSMASS2U
08-15-2007, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by m_dixon1984
just don't want to be upgrading a new Mac so soon after I buy it.


The thing with Macs is is that you don't need to upgrade your entire computer to run their latest OS.

You can get one now and "acquire" Leopard later.

Leopard comes out in October, but I'm perfectly happy with 10.4.10 right now.

flappo
08-15-2007, 03:42 PM
yeah , and we have one price fits all

unlike ms with a package for the kids , for business and for the home ( despite them all being very similar apart from the price )

Viking
08-16-2007, 08:52 PM
I'm an associate DCSE and flappo's right. I've been servicing Dells for six years, and if you get one that doesn't throw a fucking embolism before the warranty croaks, you found a jewel in the rough.

MERRYKISSMASS2U
10-27-2007, 11:37 AM
I got Leopard on the 24th. Highly recommended that you pick up a copy.

Eddie's Booze
11-13-2007, 11:46 AM
Dells =

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