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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
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    AIPAC Is Hurting Israel, Jews, and Middle-East Peace

    August 23, 2007

    AIPAC Is Hurting Israel, Jews, and Middle-East Peace

    By SDrobny

    At the risk of being called a self-hating Jew I have come to the conclusion that AIPAC is hurting the cause that it was supposed to advance when it was formed in 1953. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is an American special interest group that lobbies the United States Congress and White House in favor of maintaining a close U.S.-Israel relationship.

    Describing itself as "America's Pro-Israel Lobby," it is a mass-membership organization including primarily Jews, but also non-Jews, Democrats, Republicans, and independents. AIPAC was formed during the Eisenhower administration, and since then has helped secure American aid and support to Israel. In 1997, Fortune magazine asked Congressmen to rank the "25 most powerful" lobbying organizations in DC. In 2005, the National Journal did the same. Both times, AIPAC came in 2nd - ahead of, for instance, the AFL-CIO and the NRA, but behind the AARP. In 2001, it came in 4th on the Fortune list.

    All the good that they had done for Israel in their early days has now been offset by the power they have established in the D.C. community. As with any powerful lobby, there is a tendency for such groups to bully their way through the Congress to achieve its goal. And AIPAC is no worse or better than the NRA and other such self-interest groups. While AIPAC is primarily a Jewish organization, I am aware that most liberal Jews hate what they are doing and the tactics that they are using. Since over 70% of American Jews are liberal, I believe that AIPAC is not representing the views of most of the Jewish community. I have talked to many in Congress who are both Jews and non-Jews and they have all told me how difficult it is to deal with AIPAC. Most would vote for aid to Israel without AIPAC.

    The fact is that the foreign aid that goes primarily to Israel and Egypt has almost unanimous support in Congress. Most of that is military. Unfortunately, AIPAC has blinders as to what constitutes real aid to Israel. And military aid is not the only answer either to Israel or Egypt. The money would be better spent on a more balanced allocation between military and economic development. Unfortunately, AIPAC has completely lost its objectivity about what is good for Israel.

    My parents were immigrants from Poland where they suffered greatly due to anti-Semitism. Most of that anti-Semitism was caused by the anti-Jewish preachings of Christianity for nearly 2,000 years. It is only in the last 100 years that Islam has adopted the anti-Jewish position held by Europe as a result of the Zionist movement. And that movement was adopted because of the European oppression of the Jews, which caused Theodore Herzl to come to the conclusion that Jews would never be free in a Christian society. It is widely believed that Herzl was motivated by the Dreyfus Affair, a notorious anti-Semitic incident in France in which a French Jewish army captain was falsely convicted of spying for Germany. Herzl had been covering the trial of Dreyfus for an Austro-Hungarian newspaper. He also witnessed mass rallies in Paris following the Dreyfus trial where many chanted "Death To The Jews!", and in June, 1895, he wrote in his diary: "In Paris, as I have said, I achieved a freer attitude toward anti-Semitism... Above all, I recognized the emptiness and futility of trying to 'combat' anti-Semitism."

    Unfortunately, the movement to migrate Jews to Palestine created a geopolitical adversary in the Muslim dominated Middle East, which had also been oppressed by European colonialism. Unfortunately, the Allies after WW II refused to allow free immigration for over 500,000 Jewish survivors of the Holocaust and accordingly these displaced persons had no choice but to immigrate to Palestine. These so-called DP camps were almost as bad as any of the concentration camps that they survived.

    It is true that Truman did recognize Israel despite the fact that he and his wife were anti-Semites. However, Truman's position regarding Israel was not so altruistic. He did not want or allow free immigration of the DPs of Europe. The Cubans after Castro took power were allowed free immigration into the U.S. for about as many as the Jewish DPs in Europe. That is another example of Western hypocrisy when it comes to the Jews.

    The Jewish communities around the world have made wonderful contributions to civil and human rights. In addition, no community has a better record of standing up for and actively being involved in humane causes and opposing racism and intolerance throughout the world. That is why I believe that AIPAC is now advocating the very intolerance and violence that the Jewish communities have fought against for centuries. They have now become what most thoughtful Jews would describe as anti-Jewish bullies who even attack other Jews for having differences with them. It is time for AIPAC to understand that the only real help for Israel comes from the peace process and not fascist type tactics. AIPAC does not represent me or most of the views of the Jewish community.








    Authors Website: novamradio.com

    Authors Bio: Sheldon Drobny was the co-founder of Nova M radio and Air America Radio. He has supported many philanthropic causes and is currently involved in purchasing radio stations for liberal talk radio with his new company, Nova M Radio, Inc. Mr. Drobny specializes in business and tax matters and is admitted to practice before the U.S. Tax Court as a non-attorney. Less than 200 non-attorneys have been admitted to practice before the U.S. Tax Court since its inception in 1942. Mr. Drobny received a Bachelor of Science Degree in accounting from Roosevelt University in Chicago and is a member of Beta Gamma Sigma, an honorary fraternity recognizing acadamic achievement in colleges of business administration.


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  • GO-SPURS-GO
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    • Feb 2007
    • 907

    #2
    What’s your position on this FORD? I think this the first time you haven’t commented on your own post. For the scriptures to come true, all nations must turn their backs on Israel. Let’s say you...
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    • FORD
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      #3
      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
      What’s your position on this FORD? I think this the first time you haven’t commented on your own post. For the scriptures to come true, all nations must turn their backs on Israel. Let’s say you...
      I believe in a two state solution - That Israel and Palestine both have the right to exist. I also believe that this solution was very close to reality in 1994 when President Clinton brought Yitzhak Rabin and Yassir Arafat together.....



      Unfortunately, the right wing extremist Likud Zionfascist psychopaths in Israel didn't agree, and they ensured that Rabin didn't live long enough to bring the peace to reality.

      I believe that this murder's significance to Israel was comparable to that of the JFK murder here. A government planned and executed operation to prevent much needed progress and reform from happening. In each case, the extremist elements benefit directly from continued conflict.

      As Mr. Drobny says, AIPAC was once pretty much like any other lobby, but now they have become a tool of these Likud Zionfascists who dominate not only Israeli politics, but our own foreign policy, by way of their client agency Project for a New American Century whose original membership reads almost exactly like the roster of Chimpy's 2001 cabinet.

      Until these extremist warmongers are barred from access to power by the people of their respective countries, there will be no peace.

      I don't believe that only the return of Jesus Christ can bring peace, but I will say that He would be pissed off to find out what kind of murderous hate was being carried out in His name right now.
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      • GO-SPURS-GO
        Sniper
        • Feb 2007
        • 907

        #4
        Originally posted by FORD

        this solution was very close to reality in 1994 when President Clinton brought Yitzhak Rabin and Yassir Arafat together.....

        Terrorists get paid to terrorize. The Palestinian suicide bombers were/are paid by countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iraq. If there was peace in the region than how are they gonna get money for their families. While Mr. Terrorfat was pocketing most of the aid the World/USA was giving them, his country was starving. That land they are fighting for was considered cursed for hundreds of years. The Rothchilds bought the land from Syria and gave it to Israel. Under Israeli ownership the land started producing milk and honey. So now they want it back. While the Arab kids spend their time in school learning to read the Koran backwards, front wards, upside-down and right side up, the Jewish kids are taught the Torah too, but they also learn a trade. Like carpentry. When those same Arabs go to France for a new start, they look for a job but all they know how to do is read the Koran while standing on their head. They fall into poverty and they riot and burn the city. The Jewish kids grow up to be doctors, lawyers and our favorite singer. Before I had a heart problem, I was in the delivery business servicing the convenient stores. I drove a milk truck for Oak Farms Dairy and I met a lot of cool Arabs. I was working that morning of 9-11 and I saw and heard some things said to them from some Americans that I’m ashamed of. So I’m not a typical Arab basher, but my God we need to stop making excuses for them. I think you need to read/see the speech that The Grand Sayyid Ali Husaini Sistani gave in 1979 again. You’ll see the real reason why the Sunni Arabs hate the west. He talks about the “Great Satan.” The great Satan that partakes in immoral stuff like abortions, drugs, gay lifestyles, porn and our staunch support for Israel will burn in hell. Israel and Christians worships the false God YHWH and they worship the true God Allah.


        Unfortunately, the right wing extremist Likud Zionfascist psychopaths in Israel didn't agree, and they ensured that Rabin didn't live long enough to bring the peace to reality.

        It’s always the right-wings fault, huh FORD. Most of the left wing in this country/world/on this site is anti-Christian. What do you think about of that? Was God a member of the right-wing party when he divided the land for Isaac and Ishmael?

        I believe that this murder's significance to Israel was comparable to that of the JFK

        His dad’s elite friends who gave him the job thought he was a liability, so they wacked him. The final straw came when he was openly screwing Marilyn Monroe and revealing too much stuff to her. You knew she was a CIA agent right? Come on....... you love some conspiracy theories don’t you? Oh.... I get it, only the right wing ones.

        Project for a New American Century whose original membership reads almost exactly like the roster of Chimpy's 2001 cabinet.

        And Clinton’s and GORE’s too! What was Gore doing running with a right wing extremist Likud Zionfascist psychopath Joe Lieberman? :confused:

        Until these extremist warmongers are barred from access to power by the people of their respective countries, there will be no peace.

        The republicans are USED for international affairs and the democrats are USED for social affairs. Didn’t the Jezebel Jenna Jameson say that her industry flourished under Clinton’s watch?:eek:


        I don't believe that only the return of Jesus Christ can bring peace.

        WHAT? You must be a Catholic! Catholic’s go against Christ’s teachings more than any other Christian denomination. I’m stunned that you said that. Remember FORD, that same book you get sayings like heaven, hell, peace and love. You get sayings like, only the Ah-Mashia'ah (The Messiah) can bring total peace. My God FORD, there are 6.6 billion people in this world and you think a mortal man can bring us to peace. You want peace in this world but you can’t even get along with BigBadBrain or TongueNGroove.


        but I will say that He would be pissed off to find out what kind of murderous hate was being carried right now.

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        • FORD
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          • Jan 2004
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          #5
          Jesus said "Blessed are the Peacemakers".

          He would never have said such a thing if it was impossible to make peace. And he didn't say "Blessed is Myself".
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          • GO-SPURS-GO
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            • Feb 2007
            • 907

            #6
            Originally posted by FORD
            Jesus said "Blessed are the Peacemakers".

            I see you are “New-Ager.” I guess you don’t believe that he’s our ultimate redeemer either. Huh? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...age_agenda.htm

            And he didn't say "Blessed is Myself".

            then explain John 14-6/7.:confused:

            I picked several fights with you on my loooooong previous post and all you give me is this little reply?

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            • PlexiBrown
              Commando
              • Mar 2006
              • 1264

              #7
              Fuck Sammy Hagar.
              And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Genesis 21:17

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              • PlexiBrown
                Commando
                • Mar 2006
                • 1264

                #8
                All the great world religions have at their origin and scattered within their lineage some individuals who have had profound mystical experiences resulting in a fundamental transformation of their consciousness. Thus there is a mystical core in all religions that supports our potential to realize our true natures. However, most religions do not understand or acknowledge this mystical core, this experience of realization that is potential in everyone. Instead they deify and elevate only their spiritual icons such as Jesus, Muhammad, Buddah and Krishna.

                By accident or design, these religions reinforce and then exploit our early development tendancy to project our soul's inate self-transcending intelligence outside of ourselves and onto others. Instead of guiding us to recognize our own personal relationship to spirit, they claim the spiritual authority we give away. They tell us who is holy and whose spiritual authority must be obeyed.

                In accepting what we are told, we become disempowered. As the innate qualities of our souls are discouraged, denied or rejected, we unconsciously become angry and brittle. This revenge of the unconscious that results from the denial and suppression of our real selves shows up outwardly as emotional and psychological inflexibility. We advocate a categorical morality, rather than a deep moral sense, and we become controlling, self-righteous, judgmental and intolerant. The world beyond our own spiritual tribe becomes heathen, including sometimes our own children, and must be set straight or converted. To see ourselves in our original, innate wholeness and to appreciate it in others becomes nearly impossible. The Procrustean way of religion mutilates our inborn spirituality and substitutes a "mind made" faith. We become proponents of a culture of fear, insufficiency and survival without even realizing what has happened to us.

                If we begin to take the perspective that our souls have the capacity for awareness, then we realize that, when we are aware of unhappiness, the aspect of us that is "aware" is not itself unhappy. When we are aware of fear, that "awareness" is not itself afraid. By learning to excercise the power of awareness in a different way, one that is not taught to us in school or by conventional religion, we change our hypothesis that we are defined by out threatening feelings or endless desires and instead become defined by the quality of our relationship with them. That we have the capacity for awareness is the spiritual essence of what it means to be a human being. This unlimited, unconditional awareness is the true self from which we can always begin.
                And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Genesis 21:17

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                • Nitro Express
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                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32798

                  #9
                  Originally posted by PlexiBrown
                  Fuck Sammy Hagar.
                  Did you know Sammy Hagar is Lebonese? He should be over there protecting his ancestoral land from Hammas. The Wabborittas could just play Beruit and it would work like a chemical weapon making everyone puking ill.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Jesus Christ
                    Veteran
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2428

                    #10
                    Why do you not listen, My children??

                    For ye hath been told the truth, but ye still fail to understand.

                    Were My words in the Sermon on the Mount not sufficient?

                    What part of "Do Unto Others As Ye Would Have Them Do Unto You" is so hard to figure out??

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                    • GO-SPURS-GO
                      Sniper
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 907

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PlexiBrown
                      Fuck Sammy Hagar.
                      Ha Ha you did it again. That makes more sense than your next post. :confused: I was gonna give you 5 stars for this quote, until you made fun of me with your next post. :p FORD and I were debating all by ourselves in our own little space until you guys messed it up.
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                      • Jesus Christ
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                        • Jan 2004
                        • 2428

                        #12
                        Samuel, the descendant of Abraham's handmaiden has his place in this world. He just hath no place in Van Halen, for Dad and I hath given that place to David, the chosen one.

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                        • GO-SPURS-GO
                          Sniper
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 907

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jesus Christ
                          Why do you not listen, My children??

                          For ye hath been told the truth, but ye still fail to understand.

                          Were My words in the Sermon on the Mount not sufficient?

                          What part of "Do Unto Others As Ye Would Have Them Do Unto You" is so hard to figure out??
                          Since I’m a Messianic Believer(my mom’s maiden name is Cohen), lets talk in your own tongue which is Arabic. That Old English language that King James gave you just doesn’t cut it for me. I asked you one question in your own tongue and there is only one response that you can give me. What is it?


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                          • GO-SPURS-GO
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                            • Feb 2007
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                            #14
                            Oops.. It's Aramaic. I know a little about Arabic language too.
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                            • GO-SPURS-GO
                              Sniper
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 907

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jesus Christ
                              Why do you not listen, My children??

                              What part of "Do Unto Others As Ye Would Have Them Do Unto You" is so hard to figure out??
                              Unfortunately Eesho, very few understand that quote. Like my friend, his name is FORD. Check out his hard hearted post on this other thread. Post #3 and 25. Come unto his heart so he won’t be a hypocrite anymore.
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