Judge Bitchslaps FBI, Strikes Down Parts of Patriot Act

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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    Judge Bitchslaps FBI, Strikes Down Parts of Patriot Act

    FBI loses 007 license
    AFP

    07 September, 2007


    The FBI lost its ‘blanket right’ to access financial, telephone and Internet records without court authorization after a federal judge struck down the parts of the recently revised USA Patriot Act.

    A US judge on Thursday struck down a law allowing federal anti-terrorism agents to access financial, telephone and Internet records without a warrant.

    Judge Victor Marrero ruled that Congress overstepped its authority when it allowed the Federal Bureau of Investigation to keep the requests secret as part of the USA Patriot Act, an anti-terrorism measure made law in the days after the September 11 2001.

    The law allows the FBI to issue gag orders to those receiving requests for information - usually Internet service providers, banks and libraries - from disclosing anything about the request.

    Congress rewrote the law in 2005 to give people the right to challenge the gag order in court after Marrero ruled in 2004 that it violates the right to free speech by closing off “that ‘entire topic’ from public discourse".

    But the FBI was given the final word on whether it is safe to remove the gag order, something Marrero said Thursday “offends the fundamental constitutional principals of checks and balances and separations of powers".

    It also creates the risk that the FBI would not remove gag orders “when it believes the recipient may speak out against the use” of the records requests, Marrero wrote in a 103-page ruling.

    However, given the “importance of the issues involved", Marrero said the ruling would not be imposed for 90 days in order to allow the government to exercise its right to appeal or seek other actions.

    The law allows federal agents to demand “electronic transaction records” such as financial transactions, when and to whom someone wrote an e-mail or made a phone call, which websites they visited and when they logged on and off the Internet.

    It also allows agents to identify Internet users who use alternative identities in online discussions.

    Instead of going to court to get approval, agents only have to show their supervisor that the information is “relevant to an authorized investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities".

    The FBI made 142,000 such requests from 2003 to 2005 and in hundreds of cases broke the rules to get them by either seeking information not permitted under the act or else not getting sufficient approval, a congressionally-requested report found.

    The American Civil Liberties Union, which brought the challenge to court, hailed the decision.

    “As the court recognised, there must be real, meaningful judicial checks on the exercise of executive power,” said Melissa Goodman, an ACLU staff attorney who worked on the case.

    “Without oversight, there is nothing to stop the government from engaging in broad fishing expeditions, or targeting people for the wrong reasons, and then gagging Americans from ever speaking out against potential abuses of this intrusive surveillance power."

    A spokesman for the Department of Justice said it was “reviewing the decision and considering our options at this time".


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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    #2
    Re: Judge Bitchslaps FBI, Strikes Down Parts of Patriot Act

    Originally posted by LoungeMachine



    A spokesman for the Department of Justice said it was “reviewing the decision and considering our options at this time".

    I'm shocked there is anyone left at the DOJ, I thought all of the rats split before Speedy did....
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • Guitar Shark
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Jan 2004
      • 7579

      #3
      Re: Judge Bitchslaps FBI, Strikes Down Parts of Patriot Act

      Originally posted by LoungeMachine
      “offends the fundamental constitutional principals of checks and balances and separations of powers".
      LOL... I hope the judge actually spelled "principles" correctly...

      This will be appealed for sure.
      ROTH ARMY MILITIA


      Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
      Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        #4
        Re: Re: Judge Bitchslaps FBI, Strikes Down Parts of Patriot Act

        Originally posted by Guitar Shark
        LOL... I hope the judge actually spelled "principles" correctly...

        This will be appealed for sure.

        Perhaps he was speaking of the school leaders who teach Constitutional Law.

        Where is EMA's fact checker / editor when you need him....

        Probably figuring out if "turtle-fucker" should be hyphenated or not.


        Appealed on what grounds? That The Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper?

        What exactly happened on 9/11 that made WARRANTS so fucking disposable?

        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • knuckleboner
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Jan 2004
          • 2927

          #5
          Re: Re: Re: Judge Bitchslaps FBI, Strikes Down Parts of Patriot Act

          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
          Perhaps he was speaking of the school leaders who teach Constitutional Law.

          technically, most institutions that teach constituational law don't have principals. (or, depending on your view of the legal profession, principles, either...)




          Appealed on what grounds? That The Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper?

          What exactly happened on 9/11 that made WARRANTS so fucking disposable?

          dude, constitutional interpretation is rarely straightforward. there are all kinds of legit warrantless situations. the administration's trying to say that it's not improper to expand the use of warrantless searches, while the current court ruling disagreed.

          now, mind you, absent special circumstances in individual cases (and a generalized, "we're in a war against terror!" defense will probably not work) i think THESE warrantless searches will be struck.

          but it's not so crazy that they get appealed.

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          • Hyman Roth
            Veteran
            • Nov 2006
            • 1817

            #6
            142,000 warrentless searches under this section of the Patriot Act in the last two years??!! How many led to useful information to stop terrorism? The potential for abuse is mind-boggling.
            Trollidillo-T

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            • ODShowtime
              ROCKSTAR

              • Jun 2004
              • 5812

              #7
              I don't see why they need secrecy and want to bypass the FISA courts unless they're planning to investigate people in the government. Surely al qaeda doesn't have moles that high up in the government that they'd catch word of secret hearings.

              Like Hyman said, the abuse potential is huge. It's just not worth it.

              They should have that court set up and ready to roll 24/7. Just get approval first. How hard is that?

              Say you want to mine a database and look for trends and and what not. Sure, just get a warrant, delete the indentifiying information fields and replace with a key field, and then when you get a hit, match it up with the ID detail again If they could do it with HIPAA they could do it with this.

              Our privacy is worth the feds jumping through some hoops.
              gnaw on it

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              • Warham
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Mar 2004
                • 14589

                #8
                Originally posted by Hyman Roth
                142,000 warrentless searches under this section of the Patriot Act in the last two years??!! How many led to useful information to stop terrorism?
                We'll probably never know.

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