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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
    • 32555

    Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

    The view from Baghdad: Mounting death toll which makes a mockery of US optimism

    By Kim Sengupta

    Published: 11 September 2007

    By the time General Petraeus had finished speaking yesterday the slaughter in Iraq for the previous 24 hours could be tallied. It was not an exceptionally violent day by the standards of Iraq: seven US soldiers lay dead and 11 injured in the capital; other instances of sectarian violence included a suicide bomb which had killed 10 and wounded scores near Mosul while 10 bodies were found in Baghdad. Three policemen were killed in clashes in Mosul, and a car bomb outside a hospital in the capital had exploded, killing two and wounding six.

    In Baghdad, on the surface the overt violence appears to have diminished. There are fewer loud explosions. But, the city is now being partitioned by sectarian hatred and fear; by concrete walls and barbed wire. Claims that the US military strategy is paving the way for a stable society bear little resemblance to the reality on the ground.

    The US is accused of manipulating figures relating to violence to fit their case, ignoring evidence which shows that the influx of 30,000 troops has done little to end the continuing bloodshed.

    The death of Omar al-Husseini in the Huriya district of Baghdad is one of many which does not even figure in the American reckoning. His killers, masked and carrying guns, dragged him away as his mother wept and his father pleaded for mercy. That was the last time they saw their son alive. Three weeks later they heard that he had been killed.

    Omar was 20. His killers were Shia, he was a Sunni, the victim of a spree of murders which has ethnically cleansed neighbourhoods through the city. But both the US military and the Iraqi police have told his parents that as far as they are concerned the abduction and killings were purely criminal acts. This means, statistically, that his death is not included by the US in the calculations for sectarian killings produced yesterday.

    The causes behind the daily death toll, if addressed at all, draw conflicting accounts. Mourners carried the coffin of a young mother along the streets of Sadr City yesterday. She had been killed, said the locals, along with her two daughters when US and Iraqi government forces had stormed four homes. The US military confirmed they had exchanged small-arms fire during the operation, but insisted they had no reports of civilian casualties. Also yesterday, attendants at the Baghdad morgue did their round of collecting bodies, nameless victims of faceless killers.

    Omar's father, 48-year-old Barzan, said the attack on his son came after the Mehdi Army, a Shia militia, declared that they must leave their home. " We were going to leave, we did not want any trouble. We had very excellent relations with our Shia neighbours, but they could not do anything to help us ", he said. "They [the Mehdi Army] were also saying that my two sons were involved with the insurgents. That was not true, they had nothing to do with politics. Mohammed was away when they came, but Omar was there and they took him away and shot him. The police and the Americans say he was an Ali Baba [thief] and this killing was something to do with that. But everyone knows why he died, it is because we are Sunnis."

    Barzan had fled with his family to the Khadrah district where he found refuge with his cousin. They could not watch much of General Pertraeus's address on satellite TV because of a power cut. Four years after the war, electricity supply in the city has dwindled to one hour a day.

    Not far away from Barzan's new home are other houses, some with singe marks on doors and windows, properties of Shia who had been terrorised and driven out the other way. The walls being put up by US contractors at a record speed are formalising this break-up of Baghdad along sectarian lines. Militias rule the roost in the newly created ghettos; armed young men with sunglasses manning checkpoints, collecting levies from passing traffic, and meting out their own justice to victims who would never make the calculations on the effects of the surge.

    The Americans at first welcomed the forming of the vigilante groups, calling them "guardians"; in some areas this was described as part of the " Sunni awakening", away from the insurgency. But this began to be tempered after tales of extortion began to surface, and now some have been arrested for "suspected al-Qa'ida ties".

    The purge of the neighbourhoods, however, has helped to bring down the number of violent deaths, providing fewer sectarian targets. Residents seeing their neighbours being driven out are too afraid to do anything. Ali Mohammed, a Shia in Huriya, spread his hands in a gesture of hopelessness. " If we say anything we will be attacked," he said. "So what can we say? We know of people being driven out, being killed, but there is no one we can go to."

    Others say the surge itself had led to the rise in intimidation by the militias. Rashid Kamal, in Amariya, said: "The Americans drove out the militias, but they only went into other areas. It is this which led to the places where Sunnis and Shia were living together being split up. People who have been neighbours for generations were forced to leave in a few hours."

    Since the start of the surge, the deaths of US soldiers have fallen from a peak of 120 in May to 56 in August. But there are significant discrepancies between the figures for civilian deaths presented by the US military and independent estimates. According to American authorities, 165 civilians were murdered in Baghdad in August, a slight increase on the previous two months, but a sizeable decrease since the beginning of the surge. However, figures released by Iraq's Interior Ministry suggest that at least 428 people were murdered in Baghdad last month, and 612 in July. The Associated Press's tally of civilian deaths throughout Iraq in August was 1,809, the highest this year.

    Under the US military's rules, a corpse shot in the back of the head is a " sectarian" killing, while one shot through the front is deemed to be a criminal one. Even under this arbitrary criterion it would be difficult on many occasions to distinguish which particular group a death may fall under. Attendants at the Baghdad morgue point out that victims often bear multiple gunshot wounds.

    Hours before General Petraeus appeared in Washington, the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, gave his own assessment of the surge. "The key to reconstruction, economic development and improving peoples' standards of living is security," he said. Violence in Baghdad, he declared, had " dropped by 75 per cent". He failed, however, to provide any figures.


    © 2007 Independent News and Media Limited
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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
    • 32555

    #2
    Re: Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

    Originally posted by LoungeMachine




    Under the US military's rules, a corpse shot in the back of the head is a " sectarian" killing, while one shot through the front is deemed to be a criminal one. Even under this arbitrary criterion it would be difficult on many occasions to distinguish which particular group a death may fall under. Attendants at the Baghdad morgue point out that victims often bear multiple gunshot wounds.

    Are you fucking kidding me???????????????????????????

    Originally posted by Kristy
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    • EAT MY ASSHOLE
      Veteran
      • Feb 2006
      • 1887

      #3
      Paul Krugnman discussed this in his NY Times Op-Ed last week. So are you saying that violence towards iraqi civilians is unacceptable? In that case, you DO support a sustained US military presence.
      RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • LoungeMachine
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        • Jul 2004
        • 32555

        #4
        Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
        Paul Krugnman discussed this in his NY Times Op-Ed last week. So are you saying that violence towards iraqi civilians is unacceptable? In that case, you DO support a sustained US military presence.


        Ohh, you almost got me with that clever Hannityesque word play.

        So, are YOU saying there was no iraqi on iraqi civilian violence PRIOR to our occupation?

        Wow.

        Bring back Saddam then.
        Originally posted by Kristy
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        • Warham
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          • Mar 2004
          • 14587

          #5
          Re: Re: Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
          Are you fucking kidding me???????????????????????????

          What does it matter, Lounge. A death is a death. Does it matter what they write on the toe tag?

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          • LoungeMachine
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            • Jul 2004
            • 32555

            #6
            Re: Re: Re: Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

            Originally posted by WAR
            What does it matter, Lounge. A death is a death. Does it matter what they write on the toe tag?
            No, War

            It matters what they tell Congress, and The American People.

            You've been lied to for so long you're getting used to it.

            Isnt it funny you still bring up what the definition of the word is, is...

            Yet don't expect the truth coming from our military leaders.

            Why do you hate the truth so much?
            Originally posted by Kristy
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            Originally posted by cadaverdog
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            • Ellyllions
              Veteran
              • Mar 2006
              • 2012

              #7
              I just think it's ironic that the 6th anniversary of the most horrible tragedy in this generation's lifetime happens to also be the day that George Bush changes his stance on the Iraq War.

              Mark my words fellas...this hearing has changed everything.
              "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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              • LoungeMachine
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                • Jul 2004
                • 32555

                #8
                Re: Re: Re: Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

                Originally posted by WAR


                A death is a death.

                But when BushCO uses these deaths to promote their version of the facts on the ground, and have people go before Congress saying the violence is down, because they're using ENRON-type accounting, it matters a great deal.
                Originally posted by Kristy
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                Originally posted by cadaverdog
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                • Warham
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                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14587

                  #9
                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

                  Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                  No, War

                  It matters what they tell Congress, and The American People.

                  You've been lied to for so long you're getting used to it.

                  Isnt it funny you still bring up what the definition of the word is, is...

                  Yet don't expect the truth coming from our military leaders.

                  Why do you hate the truth so much?
                  Yeah, Lounge, I've been lied to by liberals who claim that 500,000 Iraqis have been killed by our troops over there.

                  That's who's been lying to me.

                  I believe our military leaders, you don't. There's the difference.

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                  • Warham
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                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14587

                    #10
                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

                    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                    But when BushCO uses these deaths to promote their version of the facts on the ground, and have people go before Congress saying the violence is down, because they're using ENRON-type accounting, it matters a great deal.
                    So are you saying Petraeus is lying?

                    He denied all these allegations yesterday, by the way.

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                    • LoungeMachine
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                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32555

                      #11
                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cooking The Books on The Death Toll In Iraq

                      Originally posted by WAR
                      So are you saying Petraeus is lying?

                      He was never sworn in...
                      Originally posted by Kristy
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                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
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                      • Warham
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                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14587

                        #12
                        Yeah, but he wasn't testifying.

                        He was giving a report.

                        There's no reason for a guy that's served in the military for thirty years and several presidents (at the least) to lie about the situation over there.

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                        • LoungeMachine
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                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32555

                          #13
                          He had ALL the reason to "spin"

                          How many Generals have been fired since the invasion?

                          Starting with Eric Shinseki

                          He DARED to say we'd need 300k occupational forces.

                          He was right.

                          Rummy was wrong.
                          Originally posted by Kristy
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                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
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                          • Warham
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                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14587

                            #14
                            Rumsfeld did make mistakes. Alot of them, including underestimating the forces necessary to secure the peace.

                            I'll never argue with you about the error of Rumsfeld's ways.

                            But you just proved my point. Shinseki wasn't a mouthpiece for the Bush administration, so why is Petraeus now?

                            What pisses me off are groups like Code Pink who think he's some kind of traitor if he gives any kind of good news. Fuck those groups! Petraeus has done more for his country than they ever will.

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                            • EAT MY ASSHOLE
                              Veteran
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 1887

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LoungeMachine


                              Ohh, you almost got me with that clever Hannityesque word play.

                              So, are YOU saying there was no iraqi on iraqi civilian violence PRIOR to our occupation?

                              Wow.

                              Bring back Saddam then.
                              You didn't answer the question.
                              RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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