Ronnie James Dio's Feelings About Vivian Cambell [Archive]

bueno bob

10-03-2007, 01:57 AM

Vivian's a fucking dick. Ronnie's kept his silence about him for HOW MANY YEARS now? While any time anybody mentions the name Ronnie to Vivian Campbell, Vivian goes off on a half an hour tirade about how much of a disgusting person Ronnie is... :rolleyes:

And why? Because Vivian thought he was entitled to half of the band's money...like it was the fucking Vivian Campbell Band...and where was he before Ronnie rescued him? And where did he go before Steve Clark put a job offer on his plate? Yeah, exactly. Fuckin' nowhere.

Fuck Def Leppard and fuck that cocksucker Vivian Campbell! Def Leppard haven't put out a decent effort since 19 fuckin' 84 and their so-called 'music' is enough to drive flocks of pigeons to mass suicide.

Heaven and Hell? Dio? Black Sabbath? Rainbow?

The waning years of Def Leppard?

Yeah, you tell ME who's done more for music in general...Vivian's a jealous, selfish little cunt.

\,,/

Tiki-Tom

10-03-2007, 02:32 AM

The thing I love about Ronnie's rant is how severe he goes off on Vivian, yet retains his cool the whole time.:cool:

MAX

10-03-2007, 07:01 AM

Dear lord...

I'm not too familiar with this rift? I do remember their split though where DIO hired Craig Goldie as the replacement. That guy subsiquently went on to play with Dave on the ALAE tour, no?

DIO was hardly the tops of the pops in metal when Viv bailed though.

I'm NOT dissin' DIO in any way at all. I'm just sayin' Campbell didn't just jump into Def Leppard cos he had that stint in Whitesnake when they were all over the place with Sarzo, Aldridge, Vandenberg, etc. In fact, fuckin' Vai left DLR to replace Viv in Whitesnake when Viv left to do DL?

Soap opera shit here!!! LMAO!!!

Again, I like the DIO stuff that I know but I don't own any of his albums nor do I own any VC shit either. So, I have no clue? I'm just recalling the shit I remember from years past.

BrownSound1

10-03-2007, 11:33 AM

I think Vivian was fired from Whitesnake.

Shaun Ponsonby

10-03-2007, 12:01 PM

Didn't he break his arm halfway through recording "Slip of the Tongue" (the gayest of all the Whitesnake albums) and Steve replaced him on half the album and the tour...or is that just the "official" explanation?

Seshmeister

10-03-2007, 12:41 PM

I think you may be getting mixed up with Vandenburg who injured his hand and couldn't play on that shitty album.

Not sure it's all a bit hazy I was never a big fan...

WACF

10-03-2007, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I think you may be getting mixed up with Vandenburg who injured his hand and couldn't play on that shitty album.

Not sure it's all a bit hazy I was never a big fan...

Yeah...this sounds very familiar.

Diamondjimi

10-03-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by MAX
[B]DIO was hardly the tops of the pops in metal when Viv bailed though.

[B]

Actually ,Sacred Heart was Dio's most successful tour up to that point. He toured that fucker for 2 years. Christ ,he hit Toronto 3 times on that never ending tour.
Cambell owes everything to Dio.

Bottom line:he's an ungrateful ,smelly ,Irish CUNT !

Hoongood

10-03-2007, 08:21 PM

The first two Dio albums with Viv kicked major ass. Dio hasn't matched that sound yet, not even with Viv. The guy has awesome talent that is utterly wasted as the rhythm player in Dead Leppard.

Tiki-Tom

10-04-2007, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Hoongood
The guy has awesome talent that is utterly wasted as the rhythm player in Dead Leppard.

About as awesomely talented as scores of guitarist of that time:rolleyes: Yes, he could play. But did he bring anything at all new or special to the rock world? Nope..............To hell with that generic fucker.

Hardrock69

10-04-2007, 01:05 PM

9Shit..he claimes now that he does not even like metal music.

VIVIAN CAMPBELL????

FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!

KEEP SUCKING ON THE PREP LEPER COCK YOU WORTHLESS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!!
:mad:

Hardrock69

10-04-2007, 01:08 PM

Here is the latest dirt on that fuckbag:

DEF LEPPARD guitarist Vivian Campbell will play for Hollywood United, a team made up of former Major Leage Soccer stars and celebrities, at a tribute match on October 20, 2007 to honor DC United legend Marco Etcheverry. More information is available at DEF LEPPARD's official web site.

Diamondjimi

10-04-2007, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Here is the latest dirt on that fuckbag:

DEF LEPPARD guitarist Vivian Campbell will play for Hollywood United, a team made up of former Major Leage Soccer stars and celebrities, at a tribute match on October 20, 2007 to honor DC United legend Marco Etcheverry. More information is available at DEF LEPPARD's official web site.

Strickly rythm of course .

Hardrock69

10-04-2007, 03:49 PM

Says a lot that the only way he can get his name in the music press these days is by playing in a charity soccer match.

NATEDOG001976

10-04-2007, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Tiki-Tom
"DEF fucking who?' There's a fucking rock band for you to fucking have diarrhea with."

Classic. My already tremendous respect for Ronnie just went to a new level:D

Ok, go hang the conferderate flag up on the trailer......

Vivian rocks, Dio was smart to sign him up. What has Dio done in the last 20 years?

Not much!

NATEDOG001976

10-04-2007, 03:58 PM

People from the south crack me up!

Diamondjimi

10-04-2007, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976

Vivian rocks, Dio was smart to sign him up. What has Dio done in the last 20 years?

He stayed fuckin HEAVY that's what !

Dio= Heavy

Cambell= Fluffy

And NO we don't fly the confederate flag up here. Only our southern hick wanna-be's do !;)

Tiki-Tom

10-05-2007, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
People from the south crack me up!

People up the south of your crack what..............? People from the business end of a dog's ass crack me up.

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Ok, go hang the conferderate flag up on the trailer......

Vivian rocks, Dio was smart to sign him up. What has Dio done in the last 20 years?

Not much!

Your bitch was smart to sign you up, but from now on, use lube. A sore pussy makes for a grumpy poster. Now what were you saying? Oh yeah! Vivian rocks. He's your man. If he can't do it, no one can:rolleyes:

And oh yeah, that thing that happened to you in that trailer, you know, meals on wheels, let it go, Nate. That was twenty years ago. Cleanse your soul.

bueno bob

10-05-2007, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Ok, go hang the conferderate flag up on the trailer......

Vivian rocks, Dio was smart to sign him up. What has Dio done in the last 20 years?

Not much!

Are you serious?

Ronnie:

Dream Evil; highly succesful tour with Megadeth (and others) opening the show. Introduced the world to Craig Goldy. Lock Up the Wolves; admittedly lackluster, but had a pretty good band (consisting of Jens Johansson and Simon Wright). Black Sabbath reunion Dehumanizer; rescued Sabbath from obscurity and gave them their most succesful U.S. tour in years. Almost universally hailed as the best Sabbath album since "Born Again"; paved the way to the legendary Costa Mesa reunion show with Ozzy Osbourne. Strange Highways; critically well received, considered by and large the better follow up to Dehumanizer, as opposed to Sabbath's "Cross Purposes". Decent tour revenue, considering the atmosphere for metal at the time. Angry Machines; another solid effort and tour. First full length live Dio album with "Inferno: Last in Live"; first concept album, "Magica"; Ronnie plays the entire album live in concert for the tour. Album reviewed as, essentially, a return to the classic Dio sound. Killing the Dragon, also followed in the same "classic Dio" vein and featured the best guitar work since Holy Diver. Evil or Divine: Live in New York DVD in addition to "Stand Up and Shout: The Dio Anthology", a 2 CD career retrospective spanning his solo work and history with Black Sabbath, Rainbow and Elf. Master of the Moon, another solid release. Performs the entire "Holy Diver" album live, in addition to rarely performed songs and releases it as a 2 CD set. Black Sabbath's "The Dio Years" released, with three new songs, well received across the board. The "Heaven and Hell" tour launched with the 1980-1982 Black Sabbath lineup of Ronnie Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Vinny Appice. RAVE reviews across the board. "Live at Radio City Music Hall" released as both a DVD and CD. Rhino Records releases "Live at Hammersmith Odeon 1981" from Black Sabbath as a limited edition of 5000 copies - album sells out immediately. Constant touring, fan meet and greets, autograph sessions, etc, between all of this.

Vivian Campbell over the last twenty years:

Joined Whitesnake to tour. Fired after the tour for a rotten attitude. Did a Riverdogs album. Did a Shadow King album. Did a solo album. Riding out the Def Leppard thing for fifteen years running while Def Leppard becomes more of a shadow of what they used to be. Tours with the likes of Bryan Adams and REO Speedwagon. Hates heavy metal and constantly talks shit about Ronnie James Dio at any given opportunity.

That's your compare and contrast lesson for today.

Diamondjimi

10-05-2007, 02:31 AM

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MERRYKISSMASS2U

10-05-2007, 02:39 AM

<img src="http://www.favreau.info/misc/photoshops/hockey-owned.jpg"></img>

Haha, you can hear the crack of bones in that picture ;)

bueno bob

10-05-2007, 02:43 AM

Allow me...

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Bill Lumbergh

10-05-2007, 05:38 AM

I'm fuckin' sick of hearing about this overrated fag....he probably cries himself to sleep every night because he didnt appear on any Leppard record that anyone remembers....even the bottom of the barrel shit like Adrenalize....

Mr Badguy

10-05-2007, 06:02 AM

Viv does owe a lot to Dio.

If he wasn`t in Dio he would have never been in the picture for the Whitesnake or Def Leppard gigs.

Shit, almost everybody hates their boss but you have to give them the respect they deserve for giving you a chance when they give you a job.

He was fired form Whitesnake before he even got to do an album and Def Leppard have done fuck all since he joined.

When you sum up Viv`s career, it`s all about what he did in Dio.

Hardrock69

10-05-2007, 09:34 AM

NATEDOG001976

10-05-2007, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Were you born stupid or did you learn how to be that way?
:rolleyes:

Maybe we should look at how many hit Dio had VS. Def Leppard?

Hardrock69

10-05-2007, 11:31 AM

"Hits" are irrelevant.

Why are you even concerned with "Def Leppard"?

Vivian was not with Def Leppard until 1992.

How many 'hits' has Dump Leper had since Vivian was allowed to work for them?

How long has Vivian been on the pro level?

Seems to me Dio gave him is FIRST pro gig, and at that point it had already been 25 years since he released his first record.

What the fuck has Vivian done except be a fucking sideman?

NOT A FUCKING THING!

Fuck that pathetic loser.

Next year will be Dio's 50TH ANNIVERSARY of his first released record.

Dio was playing gigs in bands and releasing fucking records at least 4 years before Vivian Campbell was even born!
:rolleyes:

So tell me again how Dio has done nothing, yet Vivian Campbell is some kind legendary guitarist.
:rolleyes:

bastardog

10-05-2007, 11:53 AM

I just think nate owned himself with the comment so people here have something to have fun with.

Is imposible someone could think of Viv been better than Dio.......he has to be joking

Shaun Ponsonby

10-05-2007, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
"Hits" are irrelevant.

Why are you even concerned with "Def Leppard"?

Vivian was not with Def Leppard until 1992.

How many 'hits' has Dump Leper had since Vivian was allowed to work for them?

How long has Vivian been on the pro level?

Seems to me Dio gave him is FIRST pro gig, and at that point it had already been 25 years since he released his first record.

What the fuck has Vivian done except be a fucking sideman?

NOT A FUCKING THING!

Fuck that pathetic loser.

Next year will be Dio's 50TH ANNIVERSARY of his first released record.

Dio was playing gigs in bands and releasing fucking records at least 4 years before Vivian Campbell was even born!
:rolleyes:

So tell me again how Dio has done nothing, yet Vivian Campbell is some kind legendary guitarist.
:rolleyes:

If I said it any better...I would win a Nobel Prize.

bueno bob

10-07-2007, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Maybe we should look at how many hit Dio had VS. Def Leppard?

OK, for sake of argument. But let's not make it DEF LEPPARD, per se. Let's make it interesting. Let's make it Ronnie Dio vs. Vivian Campbell song to song, since you can't include anything prior to Adrenalize as a "Vivian Campbell Hit Song" and since you're oh so dedicated to the notion that Vivian is oh so much more accomplished than Ronnie.

Lets do just that.

Dio w/ Rainbow:

Man On the Silver Mountain
Catch the Rainbow
Long Live Rock and Roll
Gates of Babylon
Kill the King

Dio w/ Black Sabbath:

Neon Knights
Heaven and Hell
Die Young
Turn Up the Night
Voodoo
The Mob Rules
TV Crimes
Time Machine

Dio Solo:

Holy Diver
Don't Talk to Strangers
Rainbow in the Dark
We Rock
The Last in Line
Rock and Roll Children
Hungry for Heaven
All the Fools Sailed Away

ALL of those songs have been on rock radio rotation and overall 'hits', as far as 'hits' are concerned. Several of those tracks are fucking LEGENDARY metal tunes (Man On the Silver Mountain, Long Live Rock and Roll, Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Holy Diver, Rainbow in the Dark, We Rock - those AT LEAST).

Vivian Campbell:

w/ Dio:

Holy Diver
Don't Talk to Strangers
Rainbow in the Dark
We Rock
The Last in Line
Rock and Roll Children
Hungry for Heaven

w/ Def Leppard:

Let's Get Rocked (Vivian didn't write it)
Make Love Like a Man (Vivian didn't write it)
Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad (Vivian didn't write it)
Two Steps Behind (Vivian didn't write it)
*Miss You in a Heartbeat (Vivian didn't write it)
*Promises (Vivian didn't write it)

(* Optionally included - not technically hits, although they faired moderately well in some radio markets, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt)

w/ Shadow King:

-

w/ River Dogs:

-

w/ Whitesnake:

-

Solo:

-

**

Final Count -

Ronnie James Dio - 21

Vivan Campbell - 13 (7 of which were written with...you guessed it...RONNIE JAMES DIO - and the rest of which he didn't even contribute to the songwriting)

:D

Point proven? Good.

NEXT.

philouze

10-07-2007, 04:26 AM

Yup.. Although Viv's a great guitarist (not my fave, tho.. gotta be kiddin), Ronnie's the shit. He'll outlive all of em.

RJD's much older than Joe Fuckin Elliott. But his voice is much stronger now than Joe's, even back in the days of OTTN/HND/Pyro..

Coyote

10-07-2007, 08:16 AM

Would we be having this conversation if Dio had taken, say, John Sykes as a guitarist?

I think not.

MAPRamone

10-07-2007, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Coyote
Would we be having this conversation if Dio had taken, say, John Sykes as a guitarist?

I think not.

Yep. Ronnie made Vivian PERIOD!!!

Devil Incarnate

10-07-2007, 02:43 PM

Thanks, Nate. You did good. Now go home and tell dad what a man you are.

Mr Badguy

10-07-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by philouze
RJD's much older than Joe Fuckin Elliott. But his voice is much stronger now than Joe's, even back in the days of OTTN/HND/Pyro..

Don`t even go there.

Joe was NEVER a good singer never mind a great one.

The only reason he stayed in Leppard is because he`s pretty much the boss.

Dio vs Elliott is like comparing Ice Cream and Horse manure.

philouze

10-07-2007, 04:04 PM

I wished I'd put it that way...

Hardrock69

10-07-2007, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Don`t even go there.

Joe was NEVER a good singer never mind a great one.

The only reason he stayed in Leppard is because he`s pretty much the boss.

Dio vs Elliott is like comparing Ice Cream and Horse manure.

Good comparison.

Or like comparing a championship tennis pro to a braindead quadriplegic.

binnie

10-08-2007, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by bueno bob
Are you serious?

Ronnie:

Dream Evil; highly succesful tour with Megadeth (and others) opening the show. Introduced the world to Craig Goldy. Lock Up the Wolves; admittedly lackluster, but had a pretty good band (consisting of Jens Johansson and Simon Wright). Black Sabbath reunion Dehumanizer; rescued Sabbath from obscurity and gave them their most succesful U.S. tour in years. Almost universally hailed as the best Sabbath album since "Born Again"; paved the way to the legendary Costa Mesa reunion show with Ozzy Osbourne. Strange Highways; critically well received, considered by and large the better follow up to Dehumanizer, as opposed to Sabbath's "Cross Purposes". Decent tour revenue, considering the atmosphere for metal at the time. Angry Machines; another solid effort and tour. First full length live Dio album with "Inferno: Last in Live"; first concept album, "Magica"; Ronnie plays the entire album live in concert for the tour. Album reviewed as, essentially, a return to the classic Dio sound. Killing the Dragon, also followed in the same "classic Dio" vein and featured the best guitar work since Holy Diver. Evil or Divine: Live in New York DVD in addition to "Stand Up and Shout: The Dio Anthology", a 2 CD career retrospective spanning his solo work and history with Black Sabbath, Rainbow and Elf. Master of the Moon, another solid release. Performs the entire "Holy Diver" album live, in addition to rarely performed songs and releases it as a 2 CD set. Black Sabbath's "The Dio Years" released, with three new songs, well received across the board. The "Heaven and Hell" tour launched with the 1980-1982 Black Sabbath lineup of Ronnie Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Vinny Appice. RAVE reviews across the board. "Live at Radio City Music Hall" released as both a DVD and CD. Rhino Records releases "Live at Hammersmith Odeon 1981" from Black Sabbath as a limited edition of 5000 copies - album sells out immediately. Constant touring, fan meet and greets, autograph sessions, etc, between all of this.

Vivian Campbell over the last twenty years:

Joined Whitesnake to tour. Fired after the tour for a rotten attitude. Did a Riverdogs album. Did a Shadow King album. Did a solo album. Riding out the Def Leppard thing for fifteen years running while Def Leppard becomes more of a shadow of what they used to be. Tours with the likes of Bryan Adams and REO Speedwagon. Hates heavy metal and constantly talks shit about Ronnie James Dio at any given opportunity.

That's your compare and contrast lesson for today.

Bob, you really know your shit brother! :)

binnie

10-08-2007, 03:12 AM

I've never heard a good word about Vivian as a person. Maybe he's pissed cos he got a girls name?

I actually quite like his playing, but the fact that he;s wasted his time playing rhythm in Def Leppard all these years suggests to me that he's really not much an artist, and is in it purely for the money.

Dio has always seemed like a decent guy, so I know who's side I;d be on.

bueno bob

10-08-2007, 10:10 AM

Does Def Leppard REALLY make that much money anymore? I'm inclined to think not...

binnie

10-08-2007, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by bueno bob
Does Def Leppard REALLY make that much money anymore? I'm inclined to think not...

Well, more than you or I by a considerable way I imagine. Back cataglogue and tour sales are probably a decent income.

My point is that he probably could have done something with his talents beyond being a hired hand, and he chose not too. What can he do this far down the line? Fuck all probably, so he's best of staying with Def Leppard.

If the guy had a real artistic yearning, he would have formed a band and got his shit out there, rather than taking the easy money playing "Pour some Sugar on Me" every night.

bueno bob

10-08-2007, 11:35 AM

Absolutely. I mean, listening to Holy Diver or Last in Line (Hell, even moments of Sacred Heart) and you know the guy can fucking play if he wants to.

Or COULD...I'm not convinced he could do so anymore.

While I'd imagine Def Leppard still does OK, I'm sure it's not 1987 for them anymore.

:)

But fuck, who cares? Their day in the sun ended around 1993 and they've been beating a dead horse ever since...I recently heard Joe Elliot whining that they're an 80's band not taken seriously, said "What I don't get is that BON JOVI still makes waves, why aren't we in the same catagory as they are?".

I just kinda had to laugh at that...

bastardog

10-08-2007, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by bueno bob

Final Count -

Ronnie James Dio - 21

Vivan Campbell - 13 (7 of which were written with...you guessed it...RONNIE JAMES DIO - and the rest of which he didn't even contribute to the songwriting)

:D

Point proven? Good.

NEXT.

Sieg Heil Bob!

Simply Amaizing!

bueno bob

10-08-2007, 11:40 AM

I so kick ass sometimes.

:D

binnie

10-08-2007, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob
I so kick ass sometimes.

:D

But with modesty, of course.

binnie

10-08-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob

But fuck, who cares? Their day in the sun ended around 1993 and they've been beating a dead horse ever since...I recently heard Joe Elliot whining that they're an 80's band not taken seriously, said "What I don't get is that BON JOVI still makes waves, why aren't we in the same catagory as they are?".

I just kinda had to laugh at that...

LOL!!!!

That's like Jani Lane complaining recently that he's only "that Cherrpy Pie" guy.....

NATEDOG001976

10-08-2007, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob
Does Def Leppard REALLY make that much money anymore? I'm inclined to think not...

Def leppard is still a pretty big draw all over the USA. They have sold out the X, which seats 18,000 in St. Paul, MN a recently as 2004.

I don't thing the "Heaven and Hell" tour sold out the Target Center in Minneapolis last month, I guess they had 12,000 or so, I guess Megadeth was great, which is no shock.

NATEDOG001976

10-08-2007, 12:56 PM

Def leppard have already made thier mark on rock, they have nothing to prove anymore. Bon Jovi really bugs the piss out of me. I never hear any band talk about Bon Jovi, but I heard a hell of a lot of bands new and old give praise to Def Leppard. You may not like Lep, but they are a great band.

NATEDOG001976

10-08-2007, 01:06 PM

Taken from allmusic.com:

After participating in five classic studio albums (three with Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow and two with Black Sabbath) in the late '70s and early '80s, it seemed that singer Ronnie James Dio could do no wrong. And with the release of his self-monickered band's debut album, Holy Diver, in 1983, Dio struck gold once again by injecting catchy melodies into the classic metal riffery of his previous groups. Besides Dio's inspired songwriting, the album's consistency owes a lot to his carefully chosen bandmates, including veteran bassist Jimmy Bain and drummer Vinny Appice, "and a phenomenal find in young guitarist Vivian Campbell, whose creativity and technique are quite astounding". The album opens in full-tilt metal mode with the frenetic "Stand Up and Shout," which segues into the epic title track, an album highlight thanks to it's hypnotic, mid-paced riff. Dio himself plays keyboards (badly) on the hit single "Rainbow in the Dark," and the remaining cuts range from further stabs at pop-metal ("Gypsy," "Caught in the Middle") to blatant metal anthems ("Straight Through the Heart," "Invisible"). These two facets find a perfect balance on the excellent "Don't Talk to Strangers," arguably the album's high point.

bueno bob

10-08-2007, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Def leppard have already made thier mark on rock, they have nothing to prove anymore. Bon Jovi really bugs the piss out of me. I never hear any band talk about Bon Jovi, but I heard a hell of a lot of bands new and old give praise to Def Leppard. You may not like Lep, but they are a great band.

My response to both Def Leppard and your posts about how great they are is the same.

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bueno bob

10-08-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Taken from allmusic.com:

After participating in five classic studio albums (three with Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow and two with Black Sabbath) in the late '70s and early '80s, it seemed that singer Ronnie James Dio could do no wrong. And with the release of his self-monickered band's debut album, Holy Diver, in 1983, Dio struck gold once again by injecting catchy melodies into the classic metal riffery of his previous groups. Besides Dio's inspired songwriting, the album's consistency owes a lot to his carefully chosen bandmates, including veteran bassist Jimmy Bain and drummer Vinny Appice, "and a phenomenal find in young guitarist Vivian Campbell, whose creativity and technique are quite astounding". The album opens in full-tilt metal mode with the frenetic "Stand Up and Shout," which segues into the epic title track, an album highlight thanks to it's hypnotic, mid-paced riff. Dio himself plays keyboards (badly) on the hit single "Rainbow in the Dark," and the remaining cuts range from further stabs at pop-metal ("Gypsy," "Caught in the Middle") to blatant metal anthems ("Straight Through the Heart," "Invisible"). These two facets find a perfect balance on the excellent "Don't Talk to Strangers," arguably the album's high point.

Cool!

I always go to Allmusic.com for reviews that matter. :rolleyes: Shall we compare the "hits" again, Nate?

bueno bob

10-08-2007, 04:24 PM

DEF LEPPARD

LIVE!!!

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jharp84

10-08-2007, 05:04 PM

Some PASSION Here? JFC! Def lep vs. Dio! WOW! Don't hold back now gang!!!

Shaun Ponsonby

10-08-2007, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Def leppard is still a pretty big draw all over the USA. They have sold out the X, which seats 18,000 in St. Paul, MN a recently as 2004.

I don't thing the "Heaven and Hell" tour sold out the Target Center in Minneapolis last month, I guess they had 12,000 or so, I guess Megadeth was great, which is no shock.

Heaven and Hell haven't been selling as well because tehy're not using the "Black Sabbath" brand name. Simple as.

If they toured under the name "Black Sabbath, which they have every right to do considering all the material was written/recorded under the Black Sabbath name...do you think they wouldn't be selling out the venues.

Dio vs Def Leppard?

NO. FUCKING. CONTEST.

Like David Lee Roth vs Spambo the Fanny

or a corpse's toenail vs Jon Bon Jovi

And I wouldnt really say Campbell's actual PLAYING carries "Holy Diver" as the never incorret ( :rolleyes: ) All Music suggests...I'd say it was more the band performance that helped his playing along.

And, agreeing with all the above...if he was such a great, inspring guitarist I highly doubt he would settle for the "and that other guy" slot in Def Leppard...if I was a guitarist no way would I settle for that.

Actually...he seems to have relied on other people for big paycheques for the majority of his career...interesting

jharp84

10-08-2007, 06:58 PM

LISTEN! Before you post emotions! I hear ya about viv cambell! But Def Leps 1st two albums smoked dio's 1st and second(owned em all)!! I AM BIGTIME PISSED ABOUT DEF LEPS/ACDC LET DOWN POST MUTT LANGE! LOVE DIO/SABBATH! I FEEL DEF LEP A LITTLE DISSED HERE! I KNOW ABOUT THE LAST @) FUCKIN YEARS! BUT COME ON! Don't deserve this!!

Shaun Ponsonby

10-08-2007, 07:23 PM

Fair dos...but I don't consider anything Def Lep have done (including their first couple of albums which were, admittedly...not entirely unlistenable...back when they were a band from the UK and not the USA) to be fit to lick the ass of anything Dio has done.

Personal opinions...

ThrillsNSpills

10-08-2007, 07:27 PM

Dio= one of the best voices in hard rock and heavy metal

Cambell = Well I'll put it like this: Dio made me want to hear more Dio.
Cambel made me want to hear Yngwie or Eddie or someone who put feel with the flash, but that's just my taste. Nothing I heard stood out, but I haven't heard all his work either.

Terry

10-08-2007, 08:00 PM

My fave RJD solo stuff was done when Campbell was in the band, but actually saw Campbell last year playing with Lepp, and it WAS a fucking travesty.

To see Campbell playing second fiddle to that lame-ass Phil Collen all night long...for fucks sake, VC got off MAYBE two solos the entire fucking show. And this was a guy who was fucking BLAZING through shows with Dio in the mid 1980s. I mean, just fucking SMOKING (can anyone really say Collen was EVER a smokin' guitar player?).

Campbell never even RECORDED anything with Leppard worth listening to, and the dude TOURED with Whitesnake in 1987, but didn't play a note on a Snake album ever...

Someone who I thought was shit-hot in 1984 and 1985 went on to have a underwhelming career post-Dio, while RJD is TEARING UP the fucking road with Sabbath in 2007.

No doubts who has made out better in the long run out of those two.

jharp84

10-08-2007, 09:05 PM

I'm cool w/the last 3 posts my bros in rock n' roll! Little surprised at the hate for the leps! But I guess thay(ghey) brought it on!! Fucks!!

NATEDOG001976

10-08-2007, 10:07 PM

"Pyromania", "High & Dry" & "Hysteria" are classics. After watching that Dio u-tube, they both sound like dicks if you ask me.

Diamondjimi

10-08-2007, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
Actually...he seems to have relied on other people for big paycheques for the majority of his career...interesting

So fucking true .

Vivian Cambell is the Rudy Sarzo of guitar whores Rent a Stooge !

NATEDOG001976

10-09-2007, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by diamondjimi
So fucking true .

Vivian Cambell is the Rudy Sarzo of guitar whores Rent a Stooge !

Maybe so, but can you blame him?

Now Steve Clark fuckin' rocked...nuff said!

Hardrock69

10-09-2007, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by jharp84
Some PASSION Here? JFC! Def lep vs. Dio! WOW! Don't hold back now gang!!!

No. This is Vivian Campbell vs. Ronnie James Dio.

There is a difference.

NATEDOG001976

10-09-2007, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
No. This is Vivian Campbell vs. Ronnie James Dio.

There is a difference.

Why did Dio take a shot at Def Leppard?? He seemed like a totall jack-ass in the vid. Did you hear him saying "there is another five bucks?" for the autographs...

Not much class if you ask me.

Hardrock69

10-09-2007, 02:14 PM

Why shouldn't he take a shot a Prep Leptard?

That fucking band is a pathetic group of lame pop musicians.

bastardog

10-09-2007, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
"Pyromania", "High & Dry" & "Hysteria" are classics.

And what VC have to do with those albums?

They were recorded before he was in the band.

NATEDOG001976

10-09-2007, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Why shouldn't he take a shot a Prep Leptard?

That fucking band is a pathetic group of lame pop musicians.

In your opinion. let me guess, you are a HUGE Kiss fan too??

NATEDOG001976

10-09-2007, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by bastardog
And what VC have to do with those albums?

They were recorded before he was in the band.

I know. But Dio did take a shot at them.

Has anyone really cared about Dio since 1984, and his 15 mins and his stupid fucking vids?

Def Leppard VS. Dio

No fuckin' contest, Def leppard is far more tallented, more fuckin' hits, 2 fucking Diamond awards, & soon to be in the RR hall of fame! Dio needs all the money he can make, did you see him in that fucking You-tube Vid??? What a Homo!!!

NATEDOG001976

10-09-2007, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Why shouldn't he take a shot a Prep Leptard?

That fucking band is a pathetic group of lame pop musicians.

Yeah and those Dio CD's are soo fucking grate too?

Fuck-stick!

bastardog

10-09-2007, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
I know. But Dio did take a shot at them.

Has anyone really cared about Dio since 1984, and his 15 mins and his stupid fucking vids?

Def Leppard VS. Dio

No fuckin' contest, Def leppard is far more tallented, more fuckin' hits, 2 fucking Diamond awards, & soon to be in the RR hall of fame! Dio needs all the money he can make, did you see him in that fucking You-tube Vid??? What a Homo!!!

OK,..... a person that just hear radio published music will not cared about Dio since 1984 and will love Def Leppard........but also would (our could) love Britney or Fifty Cents....maye that same person would also loved New Kids on the Block or even Marky Mark.

What you say about the "another $5" I think Dio is refering to the people that hunts for an autograph for later sell it. He is saying "another $5" to the person that will sell the signed item....not that he was changing $5 for the autograph. It was like saying "OK I know all this crap you're making me sign is going to end in e-bay soon...but I will sign it anyway, be happy"

bastardog

10-09-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by bastardog
OK,..... a person that just hear radio published music will not cared about Dio since 1984 and will love Def Leppard........but also would (our could) love Britney or Fifty Cents....maye that same person would also loved New Kids on the Block or even Marky Mark.
But a person that like grate Heavy metal for sure will know Dio the same way will know all the other bands that are not on the air.

What you say about the "another $5" I think Dio is refering to the people that hunts for an autograph for later sell it. He is saying "another $5" to the person that will sell the signed item....not that he was changing $5 for the autograph. It was like saying "OK I know all this crap you're making me sign is going to end in e-bay soon...but I will sign it anyway, be happy"

Diamondjimi

10-09-2007, 08:41 PM

Def Leppard ,Van Hagar...same fuckin SHIT !

I bet someone here thinks Cinderella and Faster Pussycat rule too....:rolleyes:

The best (and only) good thing about Def leppard was FIRED before the completion of Pyromania.

Pete FUCKIN Willis !

Nuff said......

bueno bob

10-09-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
I know. But Dio did take a shot at them.

As have numerous other musicians.

But if it makes ya feel better, his comments were more directed toward Vivian Campbell slopping away all his talent playing rhythm guitar with a bunch of washed up has beens.

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Has anyone really cared about Dio since 1984, and his 15 mins and his stupid fucking vids?

:rolleyes:

Obviously haven't been paying much attention to things, have you?

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Def Leppard VS. Dio

No fuckin' contest, Def leppard is far more tallented, more fuckin' hits, 2 fucking Diamond awards, & soon to be in the RR hall of fame!

Def Leppard is NOT more talented.

More fuckin' hits...wrong, already proved that to you - of course, you conveniently fucking ignored that.

2 fucking diamond awards...whoopdeefuckindoo...

RnRHoF...who fucking cares...that place is completely irrelevant to rock music as it were, anyway...

So yeah, you have no point...

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Dio needs all the money he can make, did you see him in that fucking You-tube Vid??? What a Homo!!!

Heheheheh...keep throwing shit at the wall, maybe some of it will stick eventually...

Ridiculous...

bueno bob

10-09-2007, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Yeah and those Dio CD's are soo fucking grate too?

Fuck-stick!

Yes, in fact, they are great. If they're not great, they're a lot more interesting then anything Def Leppard's recorded since 1984...at least Ronnie's still true to his music and his fans...Def Leppard can't figure out what to do from one album to the next and is in a perpetual downhill spiral while Joe Elliot screams in every interview "Why doesn't anybody like us as much as they like BON JOVI???".

World of difference there, kiddo.

bueno bob

10-09-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by bastardog
What you say about the "another $5" I think Dio is refering to the people that hunts for an autograph for later sell it. He is saying "another $5" to the person that will sell the signed item....not that he was changing $5 for the autograph. It was like saying "OK I know all this crap you're making me sign is going to end in e-bay soon...but I will sign it anyway, be happy"

EXACTLY. Ronnie doesn't charge anything for autographs...I know full well. Musicians, actors, etc know full well that what they sign will probably end up on ebay at some point or another. I recently went to a book signing and the author actually asked me if I wanted him to sign "To whoever" or if I wanted him to leave it blank in case I wanted to ebay it later on...

Ronnie will take all the time in the world to sign whatever you bring him and he'll treat you like you're the singularly most important person in his fanbase, regardless of who you are or how pressed for time you are...bar none, easily the most friendliest of professional musicians I have ever met, and that I don't say lightly.

Terry

10-09-2007, 09:56 PM

High N' Dry, Pyromania and (to a slightly lesser extent) Hysteria ARE three great albums, agreed.

And Steve Clark DID fuckin' rock, agreed.

For myself, wouldn't put what Lepp did quite on the same level as what RJD has done. Matter of personal taste, but even what RJD was doing with Sabbath as late as the Dehumanizer album (which was several years after RJD's 15 minutes of fame in the 1980s) is still far above Lepp at their best.

Leppard were one of the bigger pop-rock bands. Can't argue with the amount of albums Pyromania and Hysteria have sold in terms of making the case that the group didn't have SOME type of success. But at the end of it all, Leppard (particularly after Willis left the band, though not necessarily BECAUSE of his departure) will always be a pop rock band, half a step removed from Bon Jovi; they may dress like rock stars and have the look/hair/loud guitars, but it's pop music.

There's nothing wrong with that per se, if that's what one wants to hear, and I certainly listened to enough Leppard in the 1980s (these guys didn't sell 40 million + records by accident), but in terms of staying power (a mark of a great musician vs. a great pop/rock star) I can't honestly remember the last time I consciously put on a Leppard album, whereas something RJD sang on is usually in rotation in my cd player.

NATEDOG001976

10-10-2007, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by diamondjimi
Def Leppard ,Van Hagar...same fuckin SHIT !

I bet someone here thinks Cinderella and Faster Pussycat rule too....:rolleyes:

The best (and only) good thing about Def leppard was FIRED before the completion of Pyromania.

Pete FUCKIN Willis !

Nuff said......

I'm done with this shit topic!!!

Dio = fucktard!!!

NATEDOG001976

10-10-2007, 01:29 AM

Like a rainbow in the dark???

Like my last hit?

I can't sell out 5,000 seat state fair.....

Done and done.

Muff thread here I come!

NATEDOG001976

10-10-2007, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by bueno bob
EXACTLY. Ronnie doesn't charge anything for autographs...I know full well. Musicians, actors, etc know full well that what they sign will probably end up on ebay at some point or another. I recently went to a book signing and the author actually asked me if I wanted him to sign "To whoever" or if I wanted him to leave it blank in case I wanted to ebay it later on...

Ronnie will take all the time in the world to sign whatever you bring him and he'll treat you like you're the singularly most important person in his fanbase, regardless of who you are or how pressed for time you are...bar none, easily the most friendliest of professional musicians I have ever met, and that I don't say lightly.

Roth Was the coolest person I met!

binnie

10-10-2007, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
Fair dos...but I don't consider anything Def Lep have done (including their first couple of albums which were, admittedly...not entirely unlistenable...back when they were a band from the UK and not the USA) to be fit to lick the ass of anything Dio has done.

Personal opinions...

I agree with that entirely.

Shaun Ponsonby

10-10-2007, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
I'm done with this shit topic!!!

Dio = fucktard!!!

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Like a rainbow in the dark???

Like my last hit?

I can't sell out 5,000 seat state fair.....

Done and done.

Muff thread here I come!

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Roth Was the coolest person I met!

I thought you were done with this topic...

Mr Badguy

10-10-2007, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Like a rainbow in the dark???

Like my last hit?

I can't sell out 5,000 seat state fair.....

And Vivian Campbell could?

Def Leppard could but those punters sure as hell wouldn`t be buying tickets to hear any post "Hysteria" songs.

Leppard are pretty much like Ki$$ these days, a travelling circus churning out the same old same old because noone is buying their new albums.

It`s sad but it`s also true.

binnie

10-10-2007, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
And Vivian Campbell could?

Def Leppard could but those punters sure as hell wouldn`t be buying tickets to hear any post "Hysteria" songs.

Leppard are pretty much like Ki$$ these days, a travelling circus churning out the same old same old because noone is buying their new albums.

It`s sad but it`s also true.

The Kiss analogy is a good one

It seems that Def Leppard are still quite big in the States (or atleast that's the impression I get), whereas over here (UK) no-one gives a flying fuck about them, they are a joke.

Outside of Sheffield, they can't play arenas and would have to play clubs instead.

bastardog

10-10-2007, 10:59 AM

fak!.......I did quote myself?
OK
The teaching here is "Don't drink and post on a website while working overtime"

WACF

10-10-2007, 11:13 AM

LOL...

bueno bob

10-10-2007, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by binnie
The Kiss analogy is a good one

It seems that Def Leppard are still quite big in the States (or atleast that's the impression I get), whereas over here (UK) no-one gives a flying fuck about them, they are a joke.

Outside of Sheffield, they can't play arenas and would have to play clubs instead.

Out in my neck of the woods, they're clubbing it. Best they've done recently is the PGE Ballpark, and that was when they were touring with Bryan Adams and playing baseball stadiums across the U.S., or whatever that was about.

bueno bob

10-10-2007, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
Like a rainbow in the dark???

Like my last hit?

I can't sell out 5,000 seat state fair.....

Done and done.

Muff thread here I come!

Heheh. Cute. Of course, neither can your heroes Def Leppard. Dio and Def Leppard both most recently played at the SAME VENUE here locally, the last time both were around.

The difference is that Dio was sold out the day of his show and I had to buy a ticket off of a scalper outside. We were still tossing the idea of picking of Def Leppard tickets an hour before the show. And like most others, didn't.

See ya. :)

cMb

10-10-2007, 11:10 PM

What exactly is Vivian's problem with Ronnie, anyway?

Is it just another gripe over money, like Daisley/Kerslake/Osbourne?

bueno bob

10-11-2007, 12:16 AM

Pretty much. Vivian was out of sync with where Dio was going in 1985 and hated everything about the "Sacred Heart" album. Now, to hear Vivian explain it, Sacred Heart was "radio friendly crap" and very "weak" musically.

Oh, the irony ;)

Anyway, Vivian has said in more than a few interviews that he felt he was due a bigger slice of the Dio pie, since they were doing very good business at the time and he felt he was a major player in that...and maybe he was...either way, he WAS in a band with the lead singer's last name, and that's that as far as I'm concerned. There was never any confusion about that, as opposed to the Osbourne/Daisley/Kerslake incident where the band was originally supposed to BE a band (Blizzard of Ozz) with a four way split until Sharon and Jet Records altered the deal at the last possible second. In the Osbourne camp back in 1980, there was a lot of misrepresentation - not so in the Dio band, where the Ronnie James Dio solo act was well defined (especially so since Ronnie had been getting some flack as "Singer For Hire" due to the Elf/Rainbow/Sabbath history he'd already had).

In order to up his paycheck, in 1986 he basically quit talking to Ronnie and Wendy (Dio, Niji Management, Ronnie's wife) after the Sacred Heart tour was (finally) over. He apparently figured that if he didn't answer the phone, they'd take that as notice that it was time to renegotiate his contract for bigger bucks. As it were, he eventually received a letter drafted from the desk of Wendy Dio that if she or Ronnie didn't hear from him within the month, he was effectively severed from the Dio family and Niji Management and could look for work elsewhere since he wasn't speaking with them.

Apparently, in Vivian Campbell's world, this is poor business management on Ronnie's part, so he basically went out to find other gigs (Whitesnake, Riverdogs, Shadow King, et al); Ronnie went ahead with Craig Goldy in 1986, put out the "Intermission" EP to get Craig a little studio time and have a document of the Vivian Campbell era, and that was about it. In the time since, Vivian's spouted off about Ronnie at any opportunity.

At least, when he's not been busy "beating up Glenn Danzig" and other dubious achievements... :rolleyes:

By and large, Ronnie's kept his mouth shut about it for about 20 years or so...until recently at any rate.

In a nutshell, Vivian thinks he should have been making as much cash as Ronnie and Wendy did. It's explicitly Ronnie's band and everybody else is hired help, so that wasn't happening. Vivian's been a bitch about it for years.

Vivian got paid what he originally signed for, according to his own admission; he just got bitchy when he couldn't be making more...

There are a lot of magazine articles and interviews which basically summarize this. It's a combination of Metal Edge, Guitar World, Rip, Hit Parader and Kerrang interviews with Ronnie, Vivian, Vinny, Jimmy Bain and etc.

jharp84

10-11-2007, 12:20 AM

I thought you were done w/this thread! "SEE YA" Guess Yngwie and DIO spur emotion!! ?? And no, I' m not a lep supporter after high n' dry! Pete Willis Best alcoholic guitarist of 1980! Except Maybe EVH!! And thousands of others! SNIFF, SNIFF!! But thanks for the mamaries!! We do have similar taste in horror movies!!

cMb

10-11-2007, 12:40 AM

Great stuff, BB! :killer:

jharp84

10-11-2007, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by cMb
Great stuff, BB! :killer:

Ya know what BB! CMB is right! GREAT STUFF! THIS ISN'T MY FIGHT TO BEGIN WITH! I LOVE DIO BUT I LOVE EARLY LEP! SO FUCK IT ANYWAYS! CAUSE NEXT WEEK IS "GO TIME" FOR ME!! ;)

bueno bob

10-11-2007, 01:03 AM

The first two Def Leppard albums were GRATE...Pyromania still good...

After that...

http://www.supplierlist.com/photo_images/34588/Jet_Siphonic_Close-coupled_Toilet.jpg

jharp84

10-11-2007, 01:06 AM

CE! JH

jharp84

10-11-2007, 01:07 AM

OR SI? ANYWAY! FUCK IT! POINT MADE!

bueno bob

10-11-2007, 01:08 AM

FUCK YEAH, BITCH!!! TURN UP THE NIGHT!!!

http://hem.passagen.se/diomagic/Rjdmagic.jpg

bueno bob

10-11-2007, 01:09 AM

AND...

Maybe not so much... :)

http://www.telecable.es/personales/eltemplodelrey/img/pics/dio_2.gif

jharp84

10-11-2007, 01:10 AM

My BITCH!! YOU BLACKENED MOTHERFUCKER!

jharp84

10-11-2007, 01:11 AM

Turn up the night- that's "thrills and spills"!!

bueno bob

10-11-2007, 01:12 AM

jharp84

10-11-2007, 01:13 AM

But Hey- since just you and me! What's your take on repo man?

NATEDOG001976

10-11-2007, 01:35 AM

Repo man? Never met him...lol

jharp84

10-11-2007, 01:37 AM

Gotta see the flick bro! It's a classic! Early 80's!

NATEDOG001976

10-11-2007, 01:40 AM

Nice, just like Strange Brew!

jharp84

10-11-2007, 01:47 AM

Shit yes! BETTER! DEF LEP KICKED ASS! DIO KICKED ASS! LET US FOCUS ON VH/2007! FOR NOW! JH

NATEDOG001976

10-11-2007, 05:06 PM

Repo Man, ok I'll check it out...lol

Tiki-Tom

10-12-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by binnie
The Kiss analogy is a good one

It seems that Def Leppard are still quite big in the States (or atleast that's the impression I get), whereas over here (UK) no-one gives a flying fuck about them, they are a joke.

Outside of Sheffield, they can't play arenas and would have to play clubs instead.

Nah Bin, I think people over here are pretty much done with Lepp too, thank God. Of coarse we still have the few stragglers here and there but cheerleader rock seems to be mostly dead.
Well, I take that back it's still around. It's just mutated into pogostick rock:mad: