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  • Ellyllions
    Veteran
    • Mar 2006
    • 2012

    Just spent the last 20 minutes crying

    I'm not a religious person, but I am a spiritual person. I've been through all that so I won't go into it again.

    This morning, I received a link from a blogger who wanted to write something about that "Last Supper" depiction that we heard about last week. I clicked the link and began reading without any regard to what I was about to see.

    It was a photo essay that he'd done from the 2007 Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco.

    Now, let me preface this by saying openly that homosexuality does NOT bother me. I could care less what people do in the privacy of their own homes. But what I saw in this photo essay that took place on the streets of San Francisco was wrong on so many levels that it made me cry. Literally, I did shed tears.

    California seems to be breaking into a whole new group of social experiments with this one. And this opinion isn't influenced by anything but this photo essay being the culmination of tabloid rags, and news broadcasts from across the board.

    I'll post the link if you ask, but I'm telling you the images are grossly explicit and homosexual in nature. There is blatant oral and anal sex, self copulation as well as group copulation, loads of nudity even aroused nudity all taking place at an event labeled as a "fair" on an open street in broad daylight.

    Now, why did I bring religion and spirituality into it? Because the sex toys were religiously themed. There were vendors selling sex toys in the image of Jesus and crucifixes. Even public displays of how to use them. How come this is considered "tolerance"? Why does it seem that there's a double standard and that Christianity can be used in this manner and it's ok?

    Several things came to mind with this. What does the California Penal code say about this kind of public display? How is this an expression of civil rights? How many federal laws were broken by this behavior?

    And above all, why is it that we're supposed to digest this behavior when all it's meant to do is shock and disturb? Because that's what it is. It's not an expression of self-identity. This entire "fair" is just to cause gasps and hide behind the ruse of freedom.
    "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish
  • knuckleboner
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2927

    #2
    Re: Just spent the last 20 minutes crying

    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    What does the California Penal code say about this kind of public display?
    (gotta love the jokes that write themselves...)



    honestly, there's a difference between freedom of expression and obscenity. what's obscenity? vague. the supreme court said it was up to the specific localities to determine their own definition of obscenity. (like when greensboro declared, "don't tell me what love can do," to be obscene...). so, given that it's san fran, it's entirely possible they have a slightly different view of obscenity, in which case, however disgusting, this display you described is probably ok, in san fran. (but not in most other cities.)

    as for the religious depiction of the sex toys? that's fine, in san fran, so long as somebody could also do the same with jewish, muslim, hindi, wiccan, toys.

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    • Ellyllions
      Veteran
      • Mar 2006
      • 2012

      #3
      I went and looked it up...
      California Penal Code 314.
      Every person who willfully and lewdly, either: 1. Exposes
      his person, or the private parts thereof, in any public place, or in
      any place where there are present other persons to be offended or
      annoyed thereby; or, 2. Procures, counsels, or assists any person
      so to expose himself or take part in any model artist exhibition, or
      to make any other exhibition of himself to public view, or the view
      of any number of persons, such as is offensive to decency, or is
      adapted to excite to vicious or lewd thoughts or acts,
      is guilty of a misdemeanor.
      Every person who violates subdivision 1 of this section after
      having entered, without consent, an inhabited dwelling house, or
      trailer coach as defined in Section 635 of the Vehicle Code, or the
      inhabited portion of any other building, is punishable by
      imprisonment in the state prison, or in the county jail not exceeding
      one year.
      Upon the second and each subsequent conviction under subdivision 1
      of this section, or upon a first conviction under subdivision 1 of
      this section after a previous conviction under Section 288, every
      person so convicted is guilty of a felony, and is punishable by
      imprisonment in state prison.
      It's just sad. I'm glad I'm not a resident of San Francisco or California for that matter.
      "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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      • jhale667
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 20929

        #4
        Originally posted by Ellyllions
        I went and looked it up...


        It's just sad. I'm glad I'm not a resident of San Francisco or California for that matter.
        CA's not ALL that bad...I haven't seen what you're talking about, but from your description, I don't think anything like that happens in L.A....
        Originally posted by conmee
        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

        That is all.

        Icon.
        Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
        I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


        Originally posted by Isaac R.
        Then it's really true??:eek:

        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
        Originally posted by eddie78
        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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        • blonddgirl777
          ROCKSTAR

          • Mar 2005
          • 5805

          #5
          Wow!

          I've been to almost every Folsom Street Fairs (about 6 of them), when living there but never did I see anything like that!
          But it has been over 7 years since I haven't gone...
          It sure changed a lot!

          I remember bringing my Mom. and her friend in the Castro (gay area) on new year's eve...
          Bad (VERY bad) idea!

          When she saw men in their leather strings, grabbing each other's dicks and pretending to fuck on the streets... as open minded as she is... she was shocked and disgusted (and I was embarassed).

          Some things should remain behind closed doors.

          I also been to S-F's Erotic Exotic Ball a couple times... same shit.
          Weather it's a porn star or a man being fucked up the ass with a gigantic dildoe...
          I don't want to run into it!
          http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...oman-movie.jpg
          Originally posted by Nitro Express
          ... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...
          Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
          [B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...
          http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpg
          Originally posted by VanHalener
          ... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...
          Originally posted by FORD
          ... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...

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          • blonddgirl777
            ROCKSTAR

            • Mar 2005
            • 5805

            #6
            Originally posted by jhale667
            CA's not ALL that bad...I haven't seen what you're talking about, but from your description, I don't think anything like that happens in L.A....
            There is... just not on the streets!
            http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...oman-movie.jpg
            Originally posted by Nitro Express
            ... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...
            Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
            [B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...
            http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpg
            Originally posted by VanHalener
            ... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...
            Originally posted by FORD
            ... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...

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            • blonddgirl777
              ROCKSTAR

              • Mar 2005
              • 5805

              #7
              PLEASE, the gay area (commonly called "the Castro") is only a small portion of the city of San-Francisco!

              S-F is (by far) my favourite city of all!!!
              http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...oman-movie.jpg
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              ... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...
              Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
              [B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...
              http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpg
              Originally posted by VanHalener
              ... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...
              Originally posted by FORD
              ... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...

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              • blonddgirl777
                ROCKSTAR

                • Mar 2005
                • 5805

                #8
                Re: Just spent the last 20 minutes crying

                Originally posted by Ellyllions
                ... There were vendors selling sex toys in the image of Jesus and crucifixes...
                Now THAT's fucked up!
                Reeeaaaally fucked up!

                I'm not a big God's worshiper but damn... have some respect!
                http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...oman-movie.jpg
                Originally posted by Nitro Express
                ... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...
                Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
                [B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...
                http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpg
                Originally posted by VanHalener
                ... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...
                Originally posted by FORD
                ... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58789

                  #9
                  Well, to be fair, the dildo makers are equal opportunity blasphemers......

                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • blonddgirl777
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Mar 2005
                    • 5805

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    Well, to be fair, the dildo makers are equal opportunity blasphemers......

                    What a turn off! :eek:


                    I just called Franksters and asked him if he'd like to see an inflatable virgin Marie giving him a B.G...
                    He was (obviously) appauled!

                    Jesus suffering on the cross... looking at you while...
                    EEeeeewwww!!!
                    http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...oman-movie.jpg
                    Originally posted by Nitro Express
                    ... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...
                    Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
                    [B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...
                    http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpg
                    Originally posted by VanHalener
                    ... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    ... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...

                    Comment

                    • jhale667
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 20929

                      #11
                      Originally posted by blonddgirl777
                      There is... just not on the streets!
                      Yeah, that's what I meant. If you drive down certain areas of Santa Monica Blvd here, you'll see dudes holding hands and shit, but that's about it...
                      Although one of my girlfriend's cars broke down there a few blocks from where she worked once,
                      and as she was walking back to her job, gay guys started yelling at her "Better go home sweetheart, we don't like pussy here!"
                      That was kinda fucked up....
                      Originally posted by conmee
                      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                      That is all.

                      Icon.
                      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                      Originally posted by Isaac R.
                      Then it's really true??:eek:

                      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                      Originally posted by eddie78
                      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

                      Comment

                      • Blackflag
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 3406

                        #12
                        Actually, I inadvertantly ended up in the middle of the thing because I didn't know it was going on. It was really obnoxious...a bunch of assholes getting high and being "outrageous" just for the sake of proving they could. The pack mentality that's typical of whenever you get a bunch of assholes in the same place. Alas, several bold lads incurred my wrath.

                        Regardless of your political or religious persuasion, no city needs that kind of bullshit going on. It's surprising the city puts up with it...yet not surprising at the same time.

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35198

                          #13
                          Re: Just spent the last 20 minutes crying

                          Originally posted by Ellyllions
                          I'm not a religious person, but I am a spiritual person. I've been through all that so I won't go into it again.

                          This morning, I received a link from a blogger who wanted to write something about that "Last Supper" depiction that we heard about last week. I clicked the link and began reading without any regard to what I was about to see.

                          It was a photo essay that he'd done from the 2007 Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco.

                          Now, let me preface this by saying openly that homosexuality does NOT bother me. I could care less what people do in the privacy of their own homes. But what I saw in this photo essay that took place on the streets of San Francisco was wrong on so many levels that it made me cry. Literally, I did shed tears.

                          California seems to be breaking into a whole new group of social experiments with this one. And this opinion isn't influenced by anything but this photo essay being the culmination of tabloid rags, and news broadcasts from across the board.

                          I'll post the link if you ask, but I'm telling you the images are grossly explicit and homosexual in nature. There is blatant oral and anal sex, self copulation as well as group copulation, loads of nudity even aroused nudity all taking place at an event labeled as a "fair" on an open street in broad daylight.

                          Now, why did I bring religion and spirituality into it? Because the sex toys were religiously themed. There were vendors selling sex toys in the image of Jesus and crucifixes. Even public displays of how to use them. How come this is considered "tolerance"? Why does it seem that there's a double standard and that Christianity can be used in this manner and it's ok?

                          Several things came to mind with this. What does the California Penal code say about this kind of public display? How is this an expression of civil rights? How many federal laws were broken by this behavior?

                          And above all, why is it that we're supposed to digest this behavior when all it's meant to do is shock and disturb? Because that's what it is. It's not an expression of self-identity. This entire "fair" is just to cause gasps and hide behind the ruse of freedom.
                          You haven't explained why you would cry for 20 minutes about this which is bizarre.

                          I think most people would agree that having sex in the street is out of order but why the tears?

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35198

                            #14
                            As far as the religion factor goes Christianity has been persecuting homo's for hundreds of years and still does. Would you cry about that?

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49205

                              #15
                              And what were you conversing with this blogger for?

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