Dave Holland Writing "Tell All" Book

[bueno bob]

Liz Lee of the Evening Telegraph reports that former JUDAS PRIEST drummer Dave Holland — who was convicted of trying to rape a teenage boy in his Northamptonshire, England cottage — will write an expose of his life story when he is freed from prison.

Holland always denied any involvement in the attempted rape of the special needs student but was convicted of the crime at Northampton Crown Court in January 2004 and sentenced to eight years in jail.
Author Neil Daniels, who has now written and published "The Story of Judas Priest: Defenders of the Faith", claims Holland wrote to him from his prison cell and is planning to write a tell-all biography of his life and career, as well as appeal against the court's decision.

The letter, dated November 2006 and published in full in Daniels' book, said: "I was convicted of a crime that I didn't commit and like so many others in similar situations to the one in which I find myself, an offence that never even existed in the first place...

"There is absolutely no difference whatsoever between the criteria that is permitted to be applied in sex offences now and that which was applied in cases of witchcraft in the 17th century.

"I am now, after much work and effort that would be impossible to describe in any detail, more of less prepared for an appeal against my conviction.

"I will be writing a book about my life and career in the music business and about the people I've met and events and incidents that have taken place during the course of it, which of course, will include the last 10 years."

Holland, aged 59, was convicted of trying to rape the 17-year-old in his cottage in The Green, Stoke Bruerne, while giving him drumming lessons. The abuse was revealed in a letter written by the teenager to his parents.

At the time of the trial, Judge Charles Wide said Holland had "deliberately and calculatedly planned a strategy to abuse a boy who he knew was exceptionally vulnerable."

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Is it just me, or does anybody else find this a bad idea?

[cMb]

Maybe it should be called 'If I Did It...'

[binnie]

Kiddie-Fiddling disabled children: not much worse than that is there?

Who the fuck is going to buy this? Does anyone really care who the drummer in Judas Priest is/was?

[bueno bob]

What would be more interesting to me is if he was offending while behind the kit in Priest...

That would piss me off.

:mad:

[Satan]

Couldn't he have just asked Halford to set him up with some hot 18 or 19 year old ass, if that's what he wanted?

At least then it would have been legal. (with the exception of states with the dumb assed sodomy laws)

[Shaun Ponsonby]

You know...I'm always suprisingly open-minded when people are sent down for child abuse.

If they're guilty as hell...I say burn the sick fucks.

But...when you have to think of the times we live in...people will send down anybody they possibly can for child molestation/porn because they want to protect their own kids...which is understandable...but possibly unfair on somebody who hasn't actually done anything. A lot of the time people confuse innocent contact with sexual contact. I've heard stories of primary school teachers being cautioned and/or fired for hugging children in a comforting way when they're upset...

I don't know enough about his case to have an opinion...and I wouldn't trust the media response to anything like this.

The book will also be no use.

And probably the most uninteresting, bland read since Spammy Gaygar started printing lyrics in album sleeves.

[Mr Badguy]

Dave Holland: The Michael Jackson of Heavy Metal!

[Mr Badguy]

Oops, I forgot that Michael Jackson is innocent.

:D

[binnie]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Dave Holland: The Michael Jackson of Heavy Metal!


Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Oops, I forgot that Michael Jackson is innocent.

:D

I almost choked on my morning drink!

Excellent.

[binnie]

Originally posted by bueno bob
What would be more interesting to me is if he was offending while behind the kit in Priest...

That would piss me off.

:mad:

Breaking the Law Breaking the Law.

[katie]

Originally posted by binnie

Who the fuck is going to buy this?

People like Hyman Roth will buy it and review it for us...

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by binnie
I almost choked on my morning drink!

Excellent.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Michael-Jackson-Conspiracy-Tom-Mesereau/dp/0979549809/ref=sr_1_1/203-2883005-0215957?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192019527&sr=1-1

"This is a fascinating read, not just because of its subject matter but because the author herself was, like most other members of the media, predisposed to think that Jackson was guilty of at least some of the charges brought against him. She admits to being prejudiced and reveals just how she came to realise that this time the media - including herself - got it very wrong indeed.

Ms Jones has thoroughly researched the book examining witnesses' testimonies, court transcripts, etc, and she reveals how the jury, onlookers and Jackson himself reacted throughout. Yes, you do feel that you are in the courtroom.
The disparity between what actually went on in there and what the media reported is astonishing. And there's some interesting information about journalist/interviewer Martin Bashir too."


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=65744406&blogID=311835905&Mytoken=AD0B970F-C8E3-4364-A4F28B5214B81F5221900396

[binnie]

Shaun, I actually don't think that MJ is guilty - but that doesn't mean I'm not going to have a bloddy good laugh at his expense.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Sorry...misread signal

[binnie]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
Sorry...misread signal

That was Michael Jackson's defence! :D

[Mr Badguy]

For the record, I don`t think Jacko was guilty either.

Naive, yes.

Sex offender, no.

After what happened with Jordy Chandler he must have been fuckin` nuts to let that happen to him again.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

To be honest, I doubt he has the maturity to engage in any form of sexual contact...I even wonder if he is the real father of his kids...

But then this is another discussion for another thread...

[bueno bob]

Michael Jackson probably isn't guilty...but he's exceptionally fucking stupid and lives in a fantasy world where he considers his Peter Pan fantasy with children appropriate behavior.

Probably only a matter of time until he ends up back in court...

[Shaun Ponsonby]

I dunno...people who work for him and his friends, family etc said the court case changed him...he's a lot less trusting these days apparently...and he doesn't have sleepovers anymore (incidentally...the term "sleepover", I think, has been misunderstood...the book in that link has pictures of his bedroom in it, and it is more like an apartment with several rooms within the room on several floors...so you two people could essentially live in just the bedroom and hardly ever see each other)

Oh, fuck...I knew this would happen...

If you don't want a bunch of statistics being posted in essay format...I would stop the Michael Jackson part of the discussion and stay on Dave Holland.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby


If you don't want a bunch of statistics being posted in essay format...I would stop the Michael Jackson part of the discussion and stay on Dave Holland.

Besides his cellmate, I doubt very much that any of us want to be "on" Dave Holland....

(Why is it so easy to make Gay jokes?)

[Shaun Ponsonby]

I don't know...it's one of the great gifts given to the human race

[BITEYOASS]

Never liked his drumming in Priest, IMO Les Binks and Scott Travis were far superior.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by BITEYOASS
Never liked his drumming in Priest, IMO Les Binks and Scott Travis were far superior.

I liked his drumming on "British steel", "Point of entry" and "Screaming for vengeance", I have to be honest.

The rest of the albums he did all sound like drum machines.

Pretty solid, although I don`t think he could play double kick very well, so couldn`t play "Exciter" etc.

He never appeared to be anything more in the band than the drummer, you know, getting paid and told what to do.

I don`t blame Priest for trying to distance themselves from him after him being out of the band for so long.

[ELVIS]

He must have the record for the smallest Wikipedia page on the net...

"David (Dave) Holland (born on April 5, 1948 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire) is an English rock drummer, best remembered from his stint with Judas Priest. He is currently in prison for attempted child rape of a teenage handicap boy."


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Was it Holland on Unleashed In The East ??

That live album has really good drums...


:elvis:

[bueno bob]

Nope, Les Binks' last album was "Unleashed"...

[Panamark]

Damn...

British Steel and Screamin are my top 2 Priest albums..

Like FORD said, seems a bit odd that he would have to
go to these measures when Mr Halford probably had
connections to what he seeked ??

Could it be that he was fucked over ???

[binnie]

Originally posted by Panamark
Damn...

British Steel and Screamin are my top 2 Priest albums..

Like FORD said, seems a bit odd that he would have to
go to these measures when Mr Halford probably had
connections to what he seeked ??


I think that there is a big difference between finding men attractive (which Halford could obviously help with) and finding underage boys attractive.

Abusing boys doesn't necessarily make someone 100% gay, he might not find grown men attractive in the slightest.

[Panamark]

Originally posted by binnie
I think that there is a big difference between finding men attractive (which Halford could obviously help with) and finding underage boys attractive.

Abusing boys doesn't necessarily make someone 100% gay, he might not find grown men attractive in the slightest.

I dont get this ??

If I was attracted to boys, I would reckon I was totally gay....
Did you mean children as opposed to sexually developed
males ??

[Panamark]

P.S. I think that dudes who abuse boys are totally gay !

[binnie]

Originally posted by Panamark
I dont get this ??

If I was attracted to boys, I would reckon I was totally gay....
Did you mean children as opposed to sexually developed
males ??

Yeah, I meant children rather than men. What I'm saying is that just because someone finds male children attractive, it doesn't follow that they will find adult men attractive - therefore, Halford probably couldn't have found him what he was looking for.

I hope that makes my point a little clearer, sorry for the confusion.

[Panamark]

Gotcha...

Pedo's are still gay though (me reckons)
I dont get the whole gay ass thing, I know what
my ass does daily, and I aint attracted to that
at all !! lol..

Normally with these pedo gay dudes of some
celebrity, other victims invariably come forward...

With Dave Holland (if it did happen) seems like
an isolated incident, so I guess you could
cut him slack ? (Benefit of the doubt crap)

Does anyone know the details, was he actually
busted humping an underaged intellectually disabled
dude ??

If he was not, its a shitty thing to have hanging over
your head. I would be writing a book too...

If he did do it, he's a sick sick puppy..

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by Panamark
Normally with these pedo gay dudes of some
celebrity, other victims invariably come forward...

With Dave Holland (if it did happen) seems like
an isolated incident, so I guess you could
cut him slack ? (Benefit of the doubt crap)

Does anyone know the details, was he actually
busted humping an underaged intellectually disabled
dude ??

If he was not, its a shitty thing to have hanging over
your head. I would be writing a book too...

If he did do it, he's a sick sick puppy..

Exactly my thoughts...

Also paedophiles don't have just one victim...or one victim every 20 years...it's a compulsion for them, they have hundreds (I know this because my mum works with children who have been through things like this).

Having not heard anybody else come forward and say "Dave Holland raped me"...I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But if he did do it, hang the fucker by the testicles.

[katie]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Michael-Jackson-Conspiracy-Tom-Mesereau/dp/0979549809/ref=sr_1_1/203-2883005-0215957?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192019527&sr=1-1

"This is a fascinating read, not just because of its subject matter but because the author herself was, like most other members of the media, predisposed to think that Jackson was guilty of at least some of the charges brought against him. She admits to being prejudiced and reveals just how she came to realise that this time the media - including herself - got it very wrong indeed.

Ms Jones has thoroughly researched the book examining witnesses' testimonies, court transcripts, etc, and she reveals how the jury, onlookers and Jackson himself reacted throughout. Yes, you do feel that you are in the courtroom.
The disparity between what actually went on in there and what the media reported is astonishing. And there's some interesting information about journalist/interviewer Martin Bashir too."


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=65744406&blogID=311835905&Mytoken=AD0B970F-C8E3-4364-A4F28B5214B81F5221900396


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[Terry]

Holland may well have been unjustly convicted. Really don't know the particulars, but in this day and age, once that accusation is made, one is guilty until proven innocent.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Actually, I think it's more "Guilty Until Proven Dead".

People will always talk.

Look at Pete Townshend, it eventually came out that the site they thought he went on wasn't the site he went on (and it now looks as if he confessed to something he didn't do).

People will always talk about Michael Jackson, even though he was unaminously found Not Guilty in much shorter time than was expected.

There is a TV host in this country called Matthew Kelly. He was doing panto when he was arrested...and it turned out that they were looking for another bloke who just happened to have the same name. Yet he was fired from presenting a show with kids...

[katie]

[i]

Look at Pete Townshend, it eventually came out that the site they thought he went on wasn't the site he went on (and it now looks as if he confessed to something he didn't do).

[/B]

Shaun as usual you have not got the facts.

Townshend gave his credit card details to the pedo site,
That is why he was arrested along with all the others that gave their details as well.
Townsend got off by the skin of his teeth because he admitted viewing the material but never downloading it.

The police took all his computers and this proved to be true.

NEXT!

[binnie]

Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby


There is a TV host in this country called Matthew Kelly. He was doing panto when he was arrested...and it turned out that they were looking for another bloke who just happened to have the same name. Yet he was fired from presenting a show with kids...

Did you ever see the Frank Skinner interview where Matthew Kelly (after he'd been cleared) ripped SKinner to pieces for making jokes about him? I've never seen a a comedien get owned like that before.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by binnie
Did you ever see the Frank Skinner interview where Matthew Kelly (after he'd been cleared) ripped SKinner to pieces for making jokes about him? I've never seen a a comedien get owned like that before.

Yeah!

He looked like he was desperate for the couch he was sitting on to swallow him up.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Yeah!

He looked like he was desperate for the couch he was sitting on to swallow him up.

Yup - I don't suppose there's really an argument to excuse making those kind of jokes. That being said, it won't stop me making them!

[Terry]

Agreed that very few are porbably gonna give a shit about a book written by the former drummer from Judas Priest (Holland was never much but an average drummer in that band IMO, even back in the day, and clearly the weakest link), particularly if it's not even gonna come out for several years yet...and the convicted pedophile stigma isn't gonna help matters.

Lastly, IMO Wacko Jacko more likely than not was diddling little boys, although I'd also be willing to wager the parents of the boy who brought suit several years ago knew what was going on (if any of them post-1993 DIDN'T have those suspicions, they're fucking retarded) and only became pissed after Jacko stopped throwing money their way...none of which makes Off The Wall anything in retrospect but a great album (same can be said for parts of Thriller).

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Originally posted by binnie
Yup - I don't suppose there's really an argument to excuse making those kind of jokes. That being said, it won't stop me making them!

You know...I get What Frank was saying...he was hosting a show that talked about stuff that was in the news and he's gonna make jokes about it if it was in the news...but I sided with Matthew Kelly completely. That's one of the few exceptions to the "all publicity is good publicity" rule...