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Can someone explain how the piping in of vocals works technically? Does Al listen to a prerecorded track with the background vocals on them to make sure the timing synchs up? Or does someone push a button?
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Actually, I picture a dude sittin' backstage, drinkin' Heineken and holding a microphone, got a monitor, maybe, waiting for his "parts" to come up...sing some back-up, swig the brewski...nice job if you can get it...I'm not convinced it's not Wolf...but if it ain't Wolf, then a pro singer backstage would be an easy, uncomplicated solution...Last edited by brianjayy; 11-26-2007, 01:48 AM. -
It is prerecorded. It is not some dude backstage. And I think the vocals are actually Ed and Wolf. They just aren't doing it live for some reason.
I am just curious how it works from a timing standpoint because the timing has to be perfect. I am pretty convinced that Al is listening to and playing off of prerecorded tracks that have the vocals on them. That is the only way I can think of that they can time it perfectly.
But I am not a musician or in the music biz, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable can comment on this.Last edited by dave_is_vh; 11-26-2007, 02:14 AM."Bumper sticker on my rocket's ass: go home, the earth is full." DLRComment
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Bon Jovi do it this way, and yes, I got this from one of the band:
The vocal is pre-recorded. Separate phrases are assigned to keys on the keyboard for the keys player to trigger at the appropriate time so the track doesn't have to be played to a click.www.myspace.com/jonsudburyComment
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Yup. More bands than would care to admit it use them.Originally posted by katie
Pro-tools, double tracks and REVERB Baby!www.myspace.com/jonsudburyComment
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What are these things and how do they work?Originally posted by katie
Pro-tools, double tracks and REVERB Baby!"Bumper sticker on my rocket's ass: go home, the earth is full." DLRComment
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That's how it's done.Originally posted by WelshJon
Bon Jovi do it this way, and yes, I got this from one of the band:
The vocal is pre-recorded. Separate phrases are assigned to keys on the keyboard for the keys player to trigger at the appropriate time so the track doesn't have to be played to a click.
I used to post at another forum and there was a dude there who was with VH on the F.U.C.K. tour. IIRC, he was a roadie. He said each key on the keyboard had a word or phrase assigned to it. He was a very reliable poster, and he had no reason to lie about it. They would be doing the same thing on this tour. In 2004 they didn't seem to have any "help," and it was easy to hear that it was just Ed and Mike. The backing vocals just didn't sound as full. (Although I haven't listened to any of the boots from that tour for a while, so maybe my memory is distorting things.)
Is it cheating? To a degree, perhaps, but Wolf and Ed are still singing. The backings just fatten the sound.Waylon Jennings: 1937-2002. RIP, Hoss!Comment
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I don't reckon so. These days, when every gig is going to end up on You Tube or a camera phone etc, the bands have got to give a visually good show AND get every note right too, and make the BVs sound as good as the CD, which isn't the easiest thing while 'performing'.Originally posted by Casemeister
Is it cheating? To a degree, perhaps...
All of this has got to be consistent, too.
As long as the main singer isn't lip syncing and the band are singing along with, not instead of, the sampled vocs, bring it on.www.myspace.com/jonsudburyComment
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I'm not convinced the backing vox are piped in but if they are..... This is how it is done.Originally posted by WelshJon
The vocal is pre-recorded. Separate phrases are assigned to keys on the keyboard for the keys player to trigger at the appropriate time so the track doesn't have to be played to a click.Comment
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Well for this theory to work, there would have to be
a fixed tempo, if a track is pre-recorded.
That would mean Al would need to listen to
a click...
And we all know what Al thinks of Click !!!BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
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although on short phrasings, you could probably get
away with slight tempo variations..BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
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They've probably got more like single words than phrases sampled to individual keys so no click is needed. Just someone 'on the ball' to trigger the right ones.
I mean, I 've been in cover bands that do this, and we set it up ourselves (record vocals, edit to samples, assign to FX units, keys etc) so it's not really a big deal at all.www.myspace.com/jonsudburyComment
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C'mon Panamark, you're smarter than that...
Todays computerized sync tracks have the ability to sync themselves as programmed to a particular song or beat...
The band doesn't worry about playing to a particular sync track, it's the other way around...
There are even drum sequencers and MIDI machines that are able to follow along with a guitar or other instrument that's being played...
Current technology is amazing...
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