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LoungeMachine
11-28-2007, 06:41 PM
November 28, 2007

Elections Board OKs GOP loyalty oath for presidential primary

By BOB LEWIS | AP Political Writer
November 26, 2007
RICHMOND, Va. - Voters in Virginia's Feb. 12 Republican presidential primary will have to sign an oath swearing loyalty to the eventual GOP ticket.

The State Board of Elections on Monday approved a state Republican Party request that all who apply for a GOP primary ballot first vow in writing to vote for the Republican presidential nominee next fall.

The SBE also voted to refer two complaints about campaign advertising in two northern Virginia state Senate races to the commonwealth's attorney's office in Fairfax County for further investigation.




There is no practical way to enforce the GOP covenant in the constitutionally guaranteed secrecy of the voting booth. Yet the oath is a concept Virginia's GOP has considered for years.

Voters in Virginia do not register by party. Since the mid-90s, the state's Republicans have fretted that Democrats might meddle in their primaries, which are open to all registered voters.

Virginia Democrats require no oath for their presidential primary, which will be held the same day.

In the General Assembly, Republicans have pushed legislation to require party registration. At the same time, they have battled, with mixed results, in court against the open primary law.

In October, a federal appeals court ruled that a state law that gives incumbent elected officials seeking re-election the right to demand that the nomination be decided in a primary unconstitutionally forces Republicans to open their nomination process to others.

The board voted 3-2 to refer two disputes over alleged violations of the state's "Stand By Your Ad" law to the Fairfax County commonwealth's attorney. The SBE took the action saying it had too little information about the claims and no authority or staff to investigate them.

The law requires that candidates in all political ads disclose who paid to have them broadcast or printed. A violation is punishable by a fine $2,500 for each time it is aired or published, said Chris Piper, who heads SBE's campaign finance division.

One case, filed by the campaign of Sen. Kenneth T. Cuccinelli, R-Fairfax County, claimed that his Democratic challenger in the Nov. 6 election, Janet Oleszek, gave an inaccurate or incomplete disclosure statement in a television ad.

Cuccinelli also contended in his complaint that Oleszek could not have fully paid for an Oct. 31 television ad buy because her campaign had less than half of the $200,000 cost on hand at the time.

The SBE on Monday certified Cuccinelli as winning the race with Oleszek by only 92 votes out of more than 37,000 cast, or less than one-fourth of 1 percentage point. With the results now official, Oleszek has 10 days to ask for a state recount of the election, something she said earlier this month she would do.

In the other case, the Democratic Party of Virginia alleged that state Sen. Jeannemarie Devolites Davis, R-Fairfax County, claimed to have paid for television ads that her husband, U.S. Rep. Thomas M. Davis, R-Va., bought through his congressional campaign committee.

Devolites Davis lost her seat to Democratic challenger J. Chapman Petersen.

Robert R. Sparks Jr., an attorney representing the congressman and his wife, said Devolites Davis authorized and paid for the ads, making her sponsorship disclosure on the ads accurate and compliant with the law. Davis merely paid directly to extend the run of ads that already were running, and there is no requirement that the candidate sponsorship statement be changed, Sharp argued.

Board member Harold Pyon questioned the need for referring the issue to a prosecutor.

"This is mind-boggling. Anybody can accuse anybody, and we send it to (the) commonwealth's attorney. Sending something to the commonwealth's attorney is a serious matter," Pyon said. He voted against referring either complaint for investigation.

Jean Cunningham, chairwoman of the three-member board, said the referral was necessary because the SBE has no other way to vet the complaints. And if there was a violation, she said, investigators would have to determine how many times it occurred--the basis for calculating any fine.

"We're in a Catch 22 position," she said. "We would have to pull a penalty out of the air."

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--elections1126nov26,0,5164913.story?coll=hr_home_ut il

VanHalener
11-28-2007, 08:06 PM
(assuming I was planning to vote Republican)
So, what happens when they come to take me away for changing my mind and voting for a Dem later?

1. I fight my way to the car and go fishing one last time before my long prison sentence.

2. I fight my way to the car to go get my last chili dog and chocolate milk from 7-11 before my long prison sentence.

3. I fight my way to the person in charge of the arrest team and break his nose for turning his back on America.

I think I'll do all three in reverse order, but if I make it to the river they'll never find me again.


What a load of BULLSHIT!

Nickdfresh
11-28-2007, 08:47 PM
Yup! Make sure you sign your "loyalty oaths!"

Fucking totalitarian mentalitied asshats!

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knuckleboner
11-29-2007, 10:09 AM
it's no more stupid than a state that requires you to have party affiliation to vote in a primary.


personally, i like the open primary system. vote for who you think is best.

but, apparently the republicans in virginia have decided (with the U.S. senate caucus as well...) that anything that might appeal to moderate, mainstream voters is not proper virginia GOP.

in fact, i think THEY might be democrats, since they're doing their damnest to keep virginia turning blue...

FORD
11-29-2007, 01:14 PM
I've openly admitted that I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary here in Washington, because any vote against a Bush is a good vote.

And since this state doesn't require party registration, that's perfectly legal to vote.

However, in this state, the Repukes prefer the primary ballot, while the Democratic party prefers the caucus system. The caucus is something that, in my opinion, should be limited to Democratic voters, as it's not only about choosing candidates, but also delegates, some of whom will actually move on to the national Democratic Party convention.

At my precinct caucus in 2004, I was surprised to see they weren't checking either party registration or voter registration. You had to sign in, including your address, but I didn't see anybody checking this against an official list.

Now in Olympia, that may not be such a big deal. This is a solid "blue" city, and, to my knowledge, none of my neighbors are Busheep. But in other parts of the state, this isn't necessarily the case. Republicans shouldn't be deciding internal Democratic party matters. And if the 'Pukes had a caucus, the same would apply there. Believe me, the last place on earth I'd ever want to be is a national Republican convention, surrounded by thousands of warmongers!!

LoungeMachine
11-29-2007, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
it's no more stupid than a state that requires you to have party affiliation to vote in a primary.



:rolleyes:

Huge difference.

Loyalty Oath?

See, this is how anesticized [sp?] to Fascism this administration has turned this country....

Loyalty Oaths?

Achtung, baby.

:gulp:

knuckleboner
11-29-2007, 02:08 PM
a particular political party in a particular state determining how it wants to nominate a candidate. that's what it is.

most states require registration. is that any less "fascist?"

LoungeMachine
11-29-2007, 03:07 PM
yes.

knuckleboner
11-29-2007, 05:16 PM
how so?

one says that you have to be a card-carrying member of the party before you can participate in the democratic (small "d") process. the other says that you must agree to support the winning primary candidate in the general election as a condition to vote in the party's primary. (and the right to vote in the general election is an individual right; the right to vote in the primary is a party right.)

LoungeMachine
11-29-2007, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
how so?



because i said so. :D



:gulp:

knuckleboner
11-29-2007, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
because i said so. :D



:gulp:

well then you should've said that earlier!!


i stand corrected! fascist fucking bastards!

LoungeMachine
11-29-2007, 05:27 PM
LMAO

I completely understand your points, and appreciate you even bothering to type them.

It's the whole "Loyalty Oath" that smacks of Fascism.

But then I was stupified for the longest time when they named it "Homeland Security" :D



It sure makes me wonder about the Republican Machine in Virginia though....

:gulp:

knuckleboner
11-29-2007, 05:47 PM
dude, technically i think the "loyalty oath" phrase is the media's creation; i do not believe it's something the GOP came up with.


however, the virginia GOP is definitely odd. on the one hand, they're looking at the numbers which show that for presidential elections, virginia got MORE red from 2000 to 2004. (BBB voted like 3 times i think...;))

on the other hand, popular D governor mark warner is almost certainly going to win the U.S. senate seat (VA having both D senators) after the GOP decides that moderate tom davis (R) is not R enough and that they can weed him out with a caucus. congrats! warner would've probably beaten davis. he will kill presumptive conservative nominee jim gilmore (R).

and, while hillary might not win in VA (no D presidental candidate has since lyndon johnson), a strong mark warner for senator campaign could potentially have coattails for an edwards, richardson, or even obama race.

LoungeMachine
11-29-2007, 06:17 PM
I think the VA GOP should have all primary voters dip their fingers in purple ink.

:gulp:

Nickdfresh
11-29-2007, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
it's no more stupid than a state that requires you to have party affiliation to vote in a primary.


personally, i like the open primary system. vote for who you think is best.

but, apparently the republicans in virginia have decided (with the U.S. senate caucus as well...) that anything that might appeal to moderate, mainstream voters is not proper virginia GOP.

in fact, i think THEY might be democrats, since they're doing their damnest to keep virginia turning blue...

I have too say that I was rather shocked, and a little heartened, at how the Democrats really went after the Republicans in Northern Virginia on the TV...

Nitro Express
11-30-2007, 05:37 AM
Republican=National Socialist (No freedom but industry is owned by private individuals who have strong ties to the ruling elite.)

Democrat=Communist (No freedom and industry is owned by the state. Everyone is supposedly equal but of course those who have ties to the ruling elite are more equal than others.)

Independant=Usually a good honest candidate that has no chance in hell of winning because the ruling elite don't finance their campaign and/or commit voter fraud for the campaign.

knuckleboner
11-30-2007, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I have too say that I was rather shocked, and a little heartened, at how the Democrats really went after the Republicans in Northern Virginia on the TV...

i totally agree.

there were a few questionable republican ads out there as well. but the democratic ones, as a whole, were worse.

the worst of the worst being the one that compared a republican delegate with dick cheney. i personally do not like the republican guy as a legislator much at all. i would've LOVED to have seen him lose.

yet after that completely pointless ad ("...he was friends with...[insert venom] DICK CHENEY!") i was glad i wasn't in that district. because i'm not sure i could've voted for the democratic challenger.

Nitro Express
11-30-2007, 02:12 PM
The Virginia Republicans stand firm. Butt cheeks together, balls in hand, with the vision of Bush in their eyes.

Nickdfresh
11-30-2007, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
i totally agree.

there were a few questionable republican ads out there as well. but the democratic ones, as a whole, were worse.

the worst of the worst being the one that compared a republican delegate with dick cheney. i personally do not like the republican guy as a legislator much at all. i would've LOVED to have seen him lose.

yet after that completely pointless ad ("...he was friends with...[insert venom] DICK CHENEY!") i was glad i wasn't in that district. because i'm not sure i could've voted for the democratic challenger.

Interesting how outraged people here were over the Aggressive Driver's fines, too...

knuckleboner
12-03-2007, 10:52 AM
the great thing was it was initially called the "abusive drivers fee" as in this is a fee for people who drive abusively.

however, it became an election issue as "abusive driver fees," as in the fees on drivers were abusive.

personally, i don't have too much of a problem leveling heavier fines on people who have more serious/dangerous driving offenses; if you're doing it to promote safety. but i think that trying to fund transportation (which ideally needs a stable source of revenue) by using heavily punative fees/fines that are also designed ideally to decrease over time as people stop doing the bad behavior, is just stupid.