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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35197

    Idiotic anti-scientific bullshit from McCain



    ohn McCain Enters the Autism Wars
    February 29, 2008 7:11 PM

    At a town hall meeting Friday in Texas, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., declared that "there’s strong evidence" that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative that was once in many childhood vaccines, is responsible for the increased diagnoses of autism in the U.S. -- a position in stark contrast with the view of the medical establishment.

    McCain was responding to a question from the mother of a boy with autism, who asked about a recent story that the U.S. Court of Federal Claims and the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program had issued a judgment in favor of an unnamed child whose family claimed regressive encephalopathy and symptoms of autism were caused by thimerosal.

    "We’ve been waiting for years for kind of a responsible answer to this question, and are hoping that you can help us out there," the woman said.

    McCain said, per ABC News' Bret Hovell, that "It’s indisputable that (autism) is on the rise amongst children, the question is what’s causing it. And we go back and forth and there’s strong evidence that indicates that it’s got to do with a preservative in vaccines."

    McCain said there’s "divided scientific opinion" on the matter, with "many on the other side that are credible scientists that are saying that’s not the cause of it."

    The established medical community is not as divided as McCain made it sound, however. Overwhelmingly the "credible scientists," at least as the government and the medical establishment so ordain them, side against McCain's view.

    Moreover, those scientists and organizations fear that powerful people lending credence to the thimerosal theory could dissuade parents from getting their children immunized -- which in their view would lead to a very real health crisis.

    The Centers for Disease Control says "There is no convincing scientific evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site."

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says"No scientific data link thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines with any pediatric neurologic disorder, including autism."

    The Food and Drug Administration conducted a review in 1999 -- the year thimerosal was ordered to be removed from most vaccines -- and said that it "found no evidence of harm from the use of thimerosal as a vaccine preservative, other than local hypersensitivity reactions."

    The Institute of Medicine’s Immunization Safety Review Committee concluded "that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism."

    And a study of California Department of Developmental Services data published last month indicated that there was "an increase in autism in California despite the removal of thimerosal from most vaccines."


    What an idiot.





    The most famous proponent of the thimerosal-autism link is Deirdre Imus, wife of Don Imus. Mr. Imus, you may remember, is extremely friendly with McCain. (Imus, in fact, insists he will vote for McCain.)

    Hmmm...

    The last thing the US needs is another bozo holding the country back with anti-science. Without science the US economy will end up being based on the entertainment industry, MacDonalds, Starbucks and little else.
  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32798

    #2
    I think McCain got smacked in the head too many times while in the Hanoi Hilton. I appreciate he sacrifice and all the shit he went through in the military but I really don't want this guy as president.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35197

      #3
      I don't really get the Vietnam shit.

      If Hillary had been put on death row in the 70s for a crime she didn't commit and then was release 5 years later would that make her a hero or a better president?

      It's all a bit silly.

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      • Blackflag
        Banned
        • Apr 2006
        • 3406

        #4
        Originally posted by Seshmeister
        I don't really get the Vietnam shit.

        If Hillary had been put on death row in the 70s for a crime she didn't commit and then was release 5 years later would that make her a hero or a better president?

        It's all a bit silly.
        What? Death row? What does that have to do with anything?

        I think what you're ineptly trying to say is: if Clinton served in the military, would she be a better commander-in-chief.

        Clearly, yes. Before Clinton, there were only a handful of presidents that never served, mostly assholes. It was a virtual requirement for the job.

        Btw - I love how you discredit McCain and a federal court by citing to 'cosmicvariance.com' Jackass.



        Have I told you lately that you're a dick?


        Last edited by Blackflag; 03-12-2008, 03:32 AM.

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49205

          #5
          Originally posted by Blackflag
          What? Death row? What does that have to do with anything?

          I think what you're ineptly trying to say is: if Clinton served in the military, would she be a better commander-in-chief.

          Clearly, yes. Before Clinton, there were only a handful of presidents that never served, mostly assholes. It was a virtual requirement for the job.

          Btw - I love how you discredit McCain and a federal court by citing to 'cosmicvariance.com' Jackass.



          Have I told you lately that you're a dick?


          There were plenty of ineffectual assholes that DID serve in some form or another, like the current idiot in chief.

          And the two or three Democrats that led us through the three largest wars this century had absolutely no military experience. And most of the older presidents military experience consisted of holding militia drills -- which is tantamount to a Boyscouts meeting...

          And grow the fuck up with the unprovoked, pedestrian flaming crap, pugsley...
          Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-12-2008, 05:37 AM.

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          • LoungeMachine
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jul 2004
            • 32576

            #6
            Seriously.

            The Forum Macaca shtick only works when you actually have a point.

            Not when you're just flailing blindly at thin air.

            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • knuckleboner
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2927

              #7
              Originally posted by Seshmeister
              I don't really get the Vietnam shit.

              If Hillary had been put on death row in the 70s for a crime she didn't commit and then was release 5 years later would that make her a hero or a better president?

              It's all a bit silly.
              eh...does it make him a BETTER person, simply to have been captured? no.

              but while a POW, he had the opportunity to go home early because his dad was a high military official and he refused, saying that he shouldn't be released before any other normal soldier would be.

              i don't like mccain the candidate. but i kinda respect that.

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              • kwame k
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Feb 2008
                • 11302

                #8
                Originally posted by knuckleboner
                but while a POW, he had the opportunity to go home early because his dad was a high military official and he refused, saying that he shouldn't be released before any other normal soldier would be.

                i don't like mccain the candidate. but i kinda respect that.
                I respect that about McCain too. He has done several things that I admire but the good does not out weigh the bad, IMO.

                He has the facade of a Maverick Senator but underneath I don’t see much difference between him and the other crooks who have fucked this country up.
                Originally posted by vandeleur
                E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                • kwame k
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 11302

                  #9
                  double post
                  Last edited by kwame k; 03-12-2008, 01:27 PM.
                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                  • Blackflag
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 3406

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh

                    And the two or three Democrats that led us through the three largest wars this century had absolutely no military experience.
                    Speaking of no point... the only president you're talking about is Wilson. Everybody else did.

                    I know you mental midgets are having fun being indignant, but come on...are you really going to argue that the best qualification for commander-in-chief is having no military experience?

                    Clearly. You see right now what happens when a draft dodger becomes the commander.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49205

                      #11
                      Um, FDR didn't have any uniformed service time, although he was As't Sec. of the Navy...

                      And LBJ's service is still controversial because while he was in the USN Reserve, he received a Silver Star he didn't earn...

                      And as far as Bush being a draft dodger, that's more an issue of him being a super militarist hypocrite and the typical example of the rich, privileged right wing political pol demanding more from his service members than he has ever himself given...

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35197

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Blackflag
                        Speaking of no point... the only president you're talking about is Wilson. Everybody else did.

                        I know you mental midgets are having fun being indignant, but come on...are you really going to argue that the best qualification for commander-in-chief is having no military experience?
                        If all the US president did was go about starting wars then you might have a point.

                        Oh wait a minute you do have a point!

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                        • Blackflag
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 3406

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          FDR . . . was As't Sec. of the Navy...

                          And LBJ's . . . was in the USN Reserve,

                          Bush . . . demanding more from his service members than he has ever himself given...
                          Looks like you went back and did some research. Maybe next time you should do it before spouting off.

                          What you say about Bush is correct...so how can somebody who has never served at all demand anything from the military?

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35197

                            #14
                            How can your town mayor demand anything from the firemen if he hasn't served as one?

                            It's a nuts argument and one you only hear in the US.

                            In a civilised democracy it's the job of the military to carry out that role when required by the people through their elected politicians. Especially when there is not a draft then whether the president 30 years ago served in a low position in the mililtary is neither here nor there. His job is to make the big decision and then the military carry them out.

                            The problems and dangers come when you have politicians meddling in the 'how', when their job is the 'why'.

                            It was bad enough them getting the 'why' wrong in Iraq but after the initial win when they got involved in the 'how' it predictably turned into a disaster.

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                            • kwame k
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 11302

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              And the two or three Democrats that led us through the three largest wars this century had absolutely no military experience.
                              Originally posted by Blackflag
                              Speaking of no point... the only president you're talking about is Wilson. Everybody else did.
                              Originally posted Nickdfresh
                              Um, FDR didn't have any uniformed service time, although he was As't Sec. of the Navy...
                              Then you contraDick yourself by saying.

                              Originally posted by Blackflag
                              Looks like you went back and did some research. Maybe next time you should do it before spouting off.
                              Wow, your total ignorance is only surpassed by your failure to comprehend what you read.
                              Originally posted by vandeleur
                              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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