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  • blonddgirl777
    ROCKSTAR

    • Mar 2005
    • 5805

    New Alternative To Marijuanna?

    Tue Mar 11, 11:02 AM



    By Jessica Gresko, The Associated Press

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    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - On websites touting the mind-blowing powers of salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out! ... stock up while you still can."


    That's because salvia is being targeted by U.S. legislators concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana.


    Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, either have banned it or considering doing so.


    "As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Representative Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.


    Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.


    Native to Mexico and still grown there, salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.


    Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of travelling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects. Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.


    No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.


    "Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."


    Salvia's short-lasting effects and fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, legislators say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.


    Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.


    "I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."


    An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labelled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavours including apple, strawberry and spearmint.


    Websites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality."


    Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a non-profit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.


    "I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.


    Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular."

    He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely. "It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.

    Moreover, it's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. National and state surveys on drug use don't include salvia, and because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics, either.

    San Diego State University last year surveyed more than 1,500 students and found that four per cent of participants reported using salvia in the previous year.

    Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

    Florida state Senator Evelyn Lynn, whose committee plans to study the salvia bill Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

    "I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.


    Here are some facts about a plant some authorities worry will become the new marijuana:

    NAME: Salvia divinorum

    NICKNAMES: Salvia, Sally-D, Magic Mint, Diviner's Sage, Maria Pastora, Sage of the Seers, Lady Salvia, Purple Sticky, Sage.

    REPORTED EFFECTS: Hallucinogenic effects that last up to one hour, out-of-body experiences, loss of motor co-ordination and awareness of surroundings, loss of consciousness, uncontrolled laughter.

    HOW IT'S USED: Smoked, chewed, made into tea, smoked in water pipes.

    ORIGIN: Native to Oaxaca, Mexico, and used by Mazatec Indians in healing rituals.

    States that have restricted salvia as of December 2007: Delaware, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Tennessee.

    STATES THAT HAVE BANNED OR ARE CONSIDERING BANNING SALVIA: Alabama, Alaska, California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

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    Source: Florida House of Representatives report, December 2007, and The Associated Press





    Anyone tried this, already?
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  • jhale667
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 20929

    #2
    Since when was marijuana a "hallucinogen"? :confused:
    Originally posted by conmee
    If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

    That is all.

    Icon.
    Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
    I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


    Originally posted by Isaac R.
    Then it's really true??:eek:

    The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

    OMFG...who in their right mind...???
    Originally posted by eddie78
    I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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    • blonddgirl777
      ROCKSTAR

      • Mar 2005
      • 5805

      #3
      Originally posted by jhale667
      Since when was marijuana a "hallucinogen"? :confused:
      Personally, I never hallucinated on that but I heard some people that used to be hard core stoners telling me that they had to stop at some point, because they where starting to bad trip...

      Also, people that are against Marijuanna usually talk as if it was just as dangerous to smoke pot than it is to shoot Heroin!
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      Originally posted by Nitro Express
      ... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...
      Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
      [B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...
      http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpg
      Originally posted by VanHalener
      ... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...
      Originally posted by FORD
      ... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...

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      • kwame k
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Feb 2008
        • 11302

        #4
        Shit, you beat me to this post!!

        Seems to me it's more like magic mushrooms than pot.

        Did you hear about something called huffing? Where you sniff baby's diapers and get high. I can't wait till they outlaw that.
        I got some real good shit! Literally.
        Originally posted by vandeleur
        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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        • cadaverdog
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Aug 2007
          • 8955

          #5
          Originally posted by blonddgirl777
          Personally, I never hallucinated on that but I heard some people that used to be hard core stoners telling me that they had to stop at some point, because they where starting to bad trip...

          Also, people that are against Marijuanna usually talk as if it was just as dangerous to smoke pot than it is to shoot Heroin!
          If it was possible to O D on pot , I would have done it.
          My parents sold their house in the city and moved to the
          Bumfuct , Egypt area of the Mojave Desert the summer
          of 77.
          My car wouldn't have made the trip so I sold it.
          Bought a shitload of "commercial" with some of the money.
          Too hot to try to hitch hike back to the city , so I cleaned my
          stash and started bonging .
          I got so high I fell asleep with my bong in my hand.
          Woke up to bong spilling in my lap.
          I've heard these bad trip stories and they usually say it was
          the first time.
          I don't even think I got a buzz the first time , but it sure made
          me paranoid.
          The few times I have had to quit for a while , the first time
          I puffed again that paranoid feeling came back , but only
          for a short time.
          Beware of Dog

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          • cadaverdog
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Aug 2007
            • 8955

            #6
            Originally posted by kwame k
            Shit, you beat me to this post!!

            Seems to me it's more like magic mushrooms than pot.

            Did you hear about something called huffing? Where you sniff baby's diapers and get high. I can't wait till they outlaw that.
            I got some real good shit! Literally.
            Maybe you heard that from the peeps that advocate drinking
            your own urine.
            Next thing you know they'll try to convince you to eat your own shit.
            That salvia sounds more like loco weed.
            Beware of Dog

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            • kwame k
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Feb 2008
              • 11302

              #7
              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              Maybe you heard that from the peeps that advocate drinking
              your own urine.
              Next thing you know they'll try to convince you to eat your own shit.
              That salvia sounds more like loco weed.
              You seem to know a lot about that stuff.
              Originally posted by vandeleur
              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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              • blonddgirl777
                ROCKSTAR

                • Mar 2005
                • 5805

                #8
                Originally posted by kwame k
                You seem to know a lot about that stuff.
                What, drinking his own urine or eating his own shit?
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                Originally posted by Nitro Express
                ... What erases the linger of horniness more than Al Quaida? Then blondegirl can post some new hot dudes and stir a new wave of horniness...
                Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
                [B]... Cooking, I mean Cooking, is men's field...
                http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i_triangle.jpg
                Originally posted by VanHalener
                ... Fight the Good Fight and Win!...
                Originally posted by FORD
                ... And let's face it, if mothers (except Chelsea Clinton's) ruled this world, there would be no goddamned war in the first place...

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                • kwame k
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 11302

                  #9
                  Originally posted by blonddgirl777
                  What, drinking his own urine or eating his own shit?
                  No!!!!!!!!!!!! Silly
                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                  • cadaverdog
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 8955

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kwame k
                    You seem to know a lot about that stuff.
                    If you're refering to drug use , I did my share and several other peoples share also .
                    Luckily for me , I don't have an addictive personality.
                    I would abuse the same substance for a while.
                    But could and did just quit whatever was my drug of choice.
                    About my worst expeirience was coming off morphine after two
                    weeks in the hospital for kidney stones.
                    I was too big to fit in the ultrasonic tub thing so all they could
                    do is wait for it to pass into my bladder , then they could remove it.

                    As far as the urine thing , I heard about that on the radio.
                    But no , I never tried it .
                    And the only times I "ate shit" was on a bicycle or motorcycle
                    acting the fool.
                    Beware of Dog

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                    • Panamark
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 17113

                      #11
                      I have hallucinated on weed before.
                      We get some freaky weed down this part of the world.

                      I remember this shit that was doing rounds a few years
                      back called "Skunk Weed"... Man, I only tried it once.
                      I was with some stoners that smoked daily, and all
                      of us were tripping big time. We all hallucinated that
                      aliens were chasing us in the house.. lol....

                      What was funny was there was some chick in
                      the same place with a baby, who was in another
                      room and didnt smoke any. When she
                      heard us all tripping out, she left, but we didnt
                      see her leave.. So then we are all tripping out that
                      these fucking little alien bastards had abducted
                      the woman and her baby...

                      That was bad weed, I was seeing halos around
                      lights, general things flashing before my eyes..

                      I definately think some strains of weed can be
                      considered hallucigenic.. (And I have taken
                      real hallucigens before so I know what hallucinating
                      is !!)
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                      • MERRYKISSMASS2U
                        Full Member Status

                        • Mar 2004
                        • 4372

                        #12
                        Can't believe you guys have never heard of salvia, or tried it.

                        Save your time.

                        The trips last 15-30 minutes usually. The reason why it's legal? It's unpleasant. The trips are "ok" or just uncomfortable/scary.

                        Nothing like Mj.

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                        • Dan
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 12179

                          #13
                          If It's Not Green,Then I'm Not Smoking It.
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                          • cadaverdog
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 8955

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Panamark
                            I have hallucinated on weed before.
                            We get some freaky weed down this part of the world.

                            I remember this shit that was doing rounds a few years
                            back called "Skunk Weed"... Man, I only tried it once.
                            I was with some stoners that smoked daily, and all
                            of us were tripping big time. We all hallucinated that
                            aliens were chasing us in the house.. lol....

                            What was funny was there was some chick in
                            the same place with a baby, who was in another
                            room and didnt smoke any. When she
                            heard us all tripping out, she left, but we didnt
                            see her leave.. So then we are all tripping out that
                            these fucking little alien bastards had abducted
                            the woman and her baby...

                            That was bad weed, I was seeing halos around
                            lights, general things flashing before my eyes..

                            I definately think some strains of weed can be
                            considered hallucigenic.. (And I have taken
                            real hallucigens before so I know what hallucinating
                            is !!)
                            Are you kidding?
                            Skunk weed is what they used to call the green , sticky, pinish
                            smellng bud they were growing up north.
                            Alot more potent (and expensive) than the regular mexican shit
                            but still just weed .
                            They have even more potent shit now called chronic and other
                            various names .
                            But still it's just weed.
                            I smoked some stuff in Thailand that I know was dipped in
                            something extremely potent , it made me sweat and get
                            extremely paranoid.
                            And I had good reason , they have some really hard penalties
                            for even simple possesion .
                            30 years and 30 lashes with the rotan .
                            1 lash and you were in the hospital, you probably wouldn't survive
                            more than a couple.
                            But I smoked it anyway.
                            Beware of Dog

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                            • cadaverdog
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 8955

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
                              Can't believe you guys have never heard of salvia, or tried it.

                              Save your time.

                              The trips last 15-30 minutes usually. The reason why it's legal? It's unpleasant. The trips are "ok" or just uncomfortable/scary.

                              Nothing like Mj.
                              Ever try mescaline?
                              Good buzz but it makes you barf your brains out .
                              And the next day.
                              You are totally worthless you need a day of sleep to get over it.
                              Beware of Dog

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