Blagojevich Appoints Senator

[sadaist]

Holy Smokes. I have to give Blago some credit, he's got some serious gumption. As far as the charges against him, I still believe in his innocence until he is proven guilty. So far all we know he did was talk shit in what he thought were private conversations. This guy has already been hung by the media and his fellow politicians.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081230/ap_on_re_us/illinois_governor


CHICAGO – Gov. Rod Blagojevich has defied U.S. Senate leaders and his own state's lawmakers by appointing former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris to replace President-elect Barack Obama in the U.S. Senate. Blagojevich announced his decision in Chicago on Tuesday with the 71-year-old Burris at his side.

The governor praised Burris' integrity and said he hopes that the allegations against him don't "taint this good and honest man."

Burris says he's eager to get to work in Washington. He says he's proud of his accomplishments and vowed to uphold the integrity of the office.

Burris says he has no connection to the charges against Blagojevich, who was arrested on Dec. 9 and accused of trying to profit from appointing Obama's replacement.

Burris was the first African-American elected to major statewide office. He's served as Illinois' comptroller and ran for governor three times — the last time losing to Blagojevich.

[sadaist]

Seems like a qualified enough guy for the job. Although he's an attorney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris

[LoungeMachine]

Being appointed by Gov. F-Bomb at this point is like being told you've been named the next bass player for ChickenFoot

[in keeping with your weird analogies theme]

:gulp:

[FORD]

Sounds like this one's already dead in the water. Illinois Secretary of State says he won't certify the appointment, and Harry Reid (in a rare show of spine) says he won't seat Burris.

Blago might as well have appointed his own hairpiece.

[bueno bob]

You know, if Bush and the rest of his cronies hadn't have ruined the economy in the first place, maybe Rod wouldn't have had to auction the seat off...

[kwame k]

I agree that there is no way this appointment is going to go through........Let the jackass have his day in court, that's his right but letting him appoint anyone until he is cleared of the charges is politically stupid.....especially considering it's the President-Elect's seat. Democrats have to insist that this investigation plays out.

[bueno bob]

Well, Obama's already denounced it...obviously everybody else is going to follow suit, that was probably apparent from jump street - or should have been.

I'm just amazed Burris actually agreed to it with all the shitstorm Blag's in the middle of...

[FORD]

Rachel Maddow had Burris on at the beginning of her show on MSNBC tonight. His argument is that whatever Blago did or did not do, he's still legally qualified to appoint a Senator under the Constitution, and that Illinois shouldn't have to get by with only one Senator while this mess gets sorted out. Technically he's absolutely correct, but who the Hell wants to take a job that way? :confused:

Of course that very same Constitution gives the Senate the right to refuse such an appointment, and apparently in Illinois the state Constitution gives the Secretary of State the right to refuse it. So everyone - Blago, Burris, Reid, and the IL Secretary of State - is acting within the law here, but obviously it's going nowhere. I don't know why the helmet haired son of a bitch doesn't just resign already.

[DEMON CUNT]

Burris has embarrassed himself by participating in this attention grab fiasco.

[kwame k]

Rachel Maddow had Burris on at the beginning of her show on MSNBC tonight. His argument is that whatever Blago did or did not do, he's still legally qualified to appoint a Senator under the Constitution, and that Illinois shouldn't have to get by with only one Senator while this mess gets sorted out. Technically he's absolutely correct, but who the Hell wants to take a job that way? :confused:

Of course that very same Constitution gives the Senate the right to refuse such an appointment, and apparently in Illinois the state Constitution gives the Secretary of State the right to refuse it. So everyone - Blago, Burris, Reid, and the IL Secretary of State - is acting within the law here, but obviously it's going nowhere. I don't know why the helmet haired son of a bitch doesn't just resign already.


They don't resign because of the power trip they are on.....it has to be. Look at all the politicians who have been busted doing illegal things.....caught red-handed and on tape. They fight these things right down to the wire.....try to cop the best plea they can to avoid jail time and try to make a come back several years later.....I guess to be a politician you have to have no shame.

[Nickdfresh]

Burris has embarrassed himself by participating in this attention grab fiasco.

Yeah, he sure has. Why anyone would seriously play along with Scumdonovich I'll never know...

[Blackflag]

Of course that very same Constitution gives the Senate the right to refuse such an appointment,

Can you point to the section you're talking about?




I don't know why the helmet haired son of a bitch doesn't just resign already.

Maybe because he's not guilty. I haven't followed it that closely, so I'm not sure if he is or not. But there is a process to deal with problems like these.

:fu:

[Dr. Love]

abridged:


Section 5. Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members, and a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the attendance of absent members, in such manner, and under such penalties as each House may provide.

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.


I suspect the people saying the Senate can refuse to seat someone mean that they can just turn around and expel the person after he's sworn in.

[Blackflag]

I suspect the people saying the Senate can refuse to seat someone mean that they can just turn around and expel the person after he's sworn in.

The supreme court has interpreted this clause, and there are specific cases when congress can say somebody isn't qualified to hold office. It's a pretty high standard, and I don't see that this guy who was appointed isn't qualified or has done anything to disqualify himself. Congress can't refuse somebody for any reason they feel like...or "refuse a seat," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

Think about normal elections. The people from a state have a right to have their elected person in D.C. It's not up to the congressmen from other states...unless there is something extraordinarily wrong with the person.

[Nickdfresh]

The supreme court has interpreted this clause, and there are specific cases when congress can say somebody isn't qualified to hold office. It's a pretty high standard, and I don't see that this guy who was appointed isn't qualified or has done anything to disqualify himself. Congress can't refuse somebody for any reason they feel like...or "refuse a seat," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

Think about normal elections. The people from a state have a right to have their elected person in D.C. It's not up to the congressmen from other states...unless there is something extraordinarily wrong with the person.

But he wasn't elected. He's appointed.

Why wouldn't the Senate have protocols for this exact sort of circumstance?

[Dr. Love]

The supreme court has interpreted this clause, and there are specific cases when congress can say somebody isn't qualified to hold office. It's a pretty high standard, and I don't see that this guy who was appointed isn't qualified or has done anything to disqualify himself. Congress can't refuse somebody for any reason they feel like...or "refuse a seat," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

Think about normal elections. The people from a state have a right to have their elected person in D.C. It's not up to the congressmen from other states...unless there is something extraordinarily wrong with the person.

Ultimately the Senate sets it's own standards of qualification for its members. Since Burris isn't elected, but appointed, they could conceivably point out that Burris has to be selected by the Illinois Governor and approved by the Illinois Secretary of State (whom if I recall correctly said he would not do) as it is required (I think) by Illinois state law.

[Blackflag]

But he wasn't elected. He's appointed.


Are you arguing that the clause people are pointing to doesn't apply?

[Blackflag]

Ultimately the Senate sets it's own standards of qualification for its members.

They do. "Standards," as defined by the Supreme Court. A person can be disqualified for specific reasons. Not liking the guy that appointed him is not one of them.

All I'm saying is that there are procedures in place to deal with issues like these - for both the governor and the senator. Why not fucking use them? Due process is nice, if the legislatures would do their fucking job.

[LoungeMachine]

They do. "Standards," as defined by the if the legislatures would do their fucking job.


Are we holding our breaths?

:gulp:

[Blackflag]

I don't know. Are you giving somebody head again?

[LoungeMachine]

I don't know. Are you giving somebody head again?


Yes, but she gave me permission to come up for air.

But once again, you show your obsession with our sex lives.

You should look into getting one of your own.

:gulp:

[Blackflag]

Ha ha. Either that or I'm "homophobic."

:heyfu:

[Dr. Love]

I read a funny article earlier saying that they were stating they wouldn't seat him unless he could show signatures from the Governor and the Secretary of State. The SoC was saying he wouldn't sign but ... apparently the governor has signed blank documents 'in case of emergency'.

lol!

[LoungeMachine]

In Case of Emergency....

AKA

"I'm in jail, and cannot find a pen right now......"

[Dr. Love]

To clarify, the blank documents have the SoC's signature... not sure if I was clear on that. ;)

[LoungeMachine]

I apparently the governor has signed blank documents 'in case of emergency'.

lol!


Pretty clear the Gov. signed the docs... ;)

:gulp:

[Blackflag]

It looks like, despite the big talk about not "seating" him, reality has set in.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090103/ap_on_go_co/senate_burris

"And they're not budging, despite significant questions about whether they have the legal standing to block an appointee of a sitting governor."

[sadaist]

Congress can't refuse somebody for any reason they feel like...



True. Congress can't start deciding who represents us and who doesn't. That would remove any hint of a democratically elected government.





But he wasn't elected. He's appointed.


And there's the sticker. Exactly why we're in this shit mess.


As far as appointing a person to fill the seat, Blago did his job that he was chosen by the people to do. It looks like he followed all the correct protocol too. Apparently a very solid choice as well from what I know so far.

The problem is Blago did the right thing (by appointing this guy) AFTER doing the wrong thing. Yes, he should be innocent until proven guilty, and yes as he said he should "Fight, fight, fight...till his last breath" if he is truly innocent. However, he should have said those things as he resigned his Governorship to protect the people of his state and the country from this mess we are now faced with.

[kwame k]

The reason I am pissed that this scumbag even appointed anyone is...........he is being accused of trying to sell This Fucking Senate Seat!

Give him due process and his day in court........I'm fine with that, that is his right but the guy is accused of trying to sell This Fucking Senate Seat! Maybe just Maybe he shouldn't appoint anyone until he is cleared of the charges......or recuse himself and let someone else make the appointment.

[Blackflag]

The reason I am pissed that this scumbag even appointed anyone is...........he is being accused of trying to sell This Fucking Senate Seat!

Give him due process and his day in court........I'm fine with that, that is his right but the guy is accused of trying to sell This Fucking Senate Seat! Maybe just Maybe he shouldn't appoint anyone until he is cleared of the charges......or recuse himself and let someone else make the appointment.

But due process doesn't require a court, just impeachment by the state legislature. If they weren't so cowardly to do their fucking job.

But as it stands, we don't know that he's done anything wrong, and he appointed somebody like he was supposed to. Impeach him, have the hearing...and if he sold the seat, kick him out. If the appointed guy bought it, boot him, too.

Expecting people to step down because of newspaper articles is bullshit, though. If they didn't want him to appoint somebody, they shouldn't have dragged their feet impeaching him.

[Sgt Schultz]

Funny how they never mention what party Blago is a member of.....

http://www.chicagomag.com/core/includes/phpThumb/phpThumb.php?src=/Chicago-Magazine/February-2008/Mr-Un-Popularity/blago_thumb.jpg&w=476&q=85

....and NO - this photo of Blago is not mine. Nor did I stage the props.

[DEMON CUNT]

Funny how they never mention what party Blago is a member of.....

Gasp!?! Which one, Schlutz?!? Which one!?!

I shall tremble with anxious anticipation until you unleash the dark secret that Yahoo! News dare not reveal!

[LoungeMachine]

Funny how they never mention what party Blago is a member of.....



Who is "they" exactly?

:rolleyes:

[jhale667]

Who is "they" exactly?

:rolleyes:

Y'know, the "liberal" media, the ones that are "lying" to us and saying the economy's "bad", etc.... ;)

[kwame k]

I was watching Reid on Meet The Press and he is pretty much saying they will not seat the newly elected senator.......althought, like the little conniving pussy that he is, he left plenty of room for a back peddle.

[Big Train]

I think Blago is playing chicken with the Obama admin. They have hinted (before the story was killed) that Rahm Emanuel is on tape talking to him about it. He knows he is going down, so he is twisting it into the Dem's side as much as possible.

With this, Bill Richardson's closet of dirty deals and the nepotism of the NY senate seat exchanging hands in dynasty families of Clinton/Kennedy, not to mention the appointments of the highly unqualified (Paneta being the latest, and Obama himself) this admin looks a lot like the last. "Change we can believe in, indeed".

[Nickdfresh]

Funny how they never mention what party Blago is a member of.....

http://www.chicagomag.com/core/includes/phpThumb/phpThumb.php?src=/Chicago-Magazine/February-2008/Mr-Un-Popularity/blago_thumb.jpg&w=476&q=85

....and NO - this photo of Blago is not mine. Nor did I stage the props.

Um, at least we talk about it...

I clearly remember here when the Repuke scandals broke, it was like chirping crickets in here when it came to the self-ascribed "conservative" posters...

[sadaist]

And the circus begins...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_on_go_co/senate_burris

"Burris denied seat in US Senate to succeed Obama"

WASHINGTON – Roland Burris failed in his bid to take President-elect Barack Obama's Illinois Senate seat on Tuesday in a scripted piece of political theater staged just before the opening of the 111th Congress.

"Mr. Burris is not in possession of the necessary credentials from the state of Illinois," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said in his speech opening the new session of Congress.

Burris, 71, earlier confirmed that Secretary of the Senate Nancy Erickson had informed him in a private meeting that his credentials lacked a required signature and his state's seal.

"I will not be accepted, I will not be seated," Burris told a mob of reporters who had followed him across the street for a news conference in a cold and steady rain outside the Capitol.

The former Illinois attorney general said he was "not seeking to have any type of confrontation" over taking the seat that he was appointed to by embattled Gov. Rod Blagojevich. But Burris, who would be the Senate's only black member, also said he was considering a federal lawsuit to force Senate Democrats to seat him.

Democrats and Obama have said that the corruption charges against Blagojevich would strip credibility from anyone he appoints to the seat. Burris and many of his supporters have suggested that the real reason for the rejection involved race.

Blagojevich denies federal accusations that he tried to sell Obama's seat. Democrats, for their part, deny that race has anything to do with Burris' rejection and say that it's a reflection on Blagojevich.

That Erickson turned away Burris was no surprise; Senate Democrats had warned for weeks that if Burris showed up to be sworn in on Tuesday without the signature of the Illinois secretary of state, he would be turned away. That's just what happened.

But if what Burris really wanted a circus, he got one.

A mob of reporters awaited him outside the Senate's North Door, where Sergeant at Arms Terrance Gainer and a throng of officers escorted him through security and up to Erickson's office on the third floor.

There, more reporters waited. Once again Burris went through a metal detector and into Erickson's office, nestled between the elevators and the press gallery.

Twenty-one minutes later, Burris left; a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid confirmed that Burris had been rejected.

Burris left the building, escorted by Gainer and his officers.

And soon, a noisy throng of reporters followed him across the street, and Burris confirmed that he'd been turned away.

An attorney for Burris, Timothy W. Wright III, said that "our credentials were rejected by the secretary of the Senate. We were not allowed to be placed in the record books. We were not allowed to proceed to the floor for purposes of taking oath. All of which we think was improperly done and is against the law of this land. We will consider our options and we will certainly let you know what our decisions will be soon thereafter."

Asked what his options were, Wright said there possibly could be a court challenge and he said that Burris also would continue to talk to the Senate leadership.

There had been earlier indications Burris would not be allowed to take his seat, at least in part because his letter of appointment from Blagojevich was not co-signed by Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White.

Some of Burris' supporters have bemoaned the fact that Democrats would stand in the way of the Senate gaining its only black member. Burris himself downplayed the issue of race, telling reporters: "I cannot control my supporters. I have never in my life, in all my years of being elected to office, thought anything about race."

"I'm presenting myself as the legally appointed senator from the state of Illinois. It is my hope and prayer that they recognize that the appointment is legal," he said earlier in a nationally broadcast interview.

Burris dismissed the Senate Democratic leadership's position that he cannot be seated because he was appointed by a governor accused in a criminal complaint of trying to benefit financially from his authority to fill the seat that Obama vacated after winning the presidential election.

Burris said his belief is that his appointment is constitutional and that "I have no knowledge of where a secretary of state has veto power over a governor carrying out his constitutional duties."

Burris also maintained that the announcement by Blagojevich Monday of a date for an election for a successor to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., proves the governor still has legal authority to carry out his duties. Emanuel will be Obama's White House chief of staff.

"There's nothing wrong with Roland Burris and there's nothing wrong with the appointment," Burris said.

Burris has found little support among fellow Democrats.

[sadaist]

These statements from he article are troubling. "Democrats and Obama have said that the corruption charges against Blagojevich would strip credibility from anyone he appoints to the seat." If not having the appearance of credibility is a prerequisite for holding a political office, there sure are a lot of current politicians that will be looking for new jobs.



"Burris and many of his supporters have suggested that the real reason for the rejection involved race." To me this is like crying wolf. Call racism when applicable. However, if you call it in every instance eventually it will lose it's sting.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I don't know why the helmet haired son of a bitch doesn't just resign already.

FORD, you may be onto something...

Helmet hair = Hamburger Head ??

I.E. Blago = Vince ??

;)

[kwame k]

Figures the Democrat's are going to show no backbone in this.........talk tough and cave......

Opposition to seating Burris in Senate weakening

WASHINGTON – Former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris is closer to taking President-elect Barack Obama's seat in the Senate, say knowledgeable officials in both parties, despite Democratic leaders' vows to reject any appointee of Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

After being rejected Tuesday when he tried to join the class of incoming freshmen senators, Burris is finding new support on Capitol Hill as Democratic leaders scramble for a way to defuse the standoff with growing racial, political and legal complications.

The likelihood that Burris, a Democrat, will eventually prevail and become the Senate's only black member after Obama's resignation from the seat, increased Tuesday evening when a key chairwoman got behind him, cracking what had been united public front by Senate Democrats against a Blagojevich appointee.

Burris was scheduled to meet with the Senate's top two Democrats — Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and assistant leader Dick Durbin of Illinois — on Wednesday, a day after his paperwork was rejected at the opening of the 111th Congress.

Senate officials in both parties, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly for Senate members, said there is a growing expectation on Capitol Hill that the saga will end with Burris being seated.

Blagojevich shocked Democratic leaders by appointing Burris to finish the final two years of Obama's six-year term in the Senate just three weeks after the governor was arrested on corruption charges in what federal prosecutors said was a scheme to sell or trade Obama's vacated Senate seat to the highest bidder,

Blagojevich denies the accusations and has yet to be indicted. There has been no indication that Burris was involved in the alleged scheme, and he has not been accused of any wrongdoing. Democrats have repeatedly said the issue is Blagojevich, not Burris' qualifications.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who chairs the Rules Committee, told reporters Tuesday evening that Burris should be seated.

"If you don't seat Mr. Burris, it has ramifications for gubernatorial appointments all over America," the California Democrat said. "Mr. Burris is a senior, experienced politician. He has been attorney general, he has been controller, and he is very well-respected. I am hopeful that this will be settled."

In a piece of political theater, Burris, 71, tried and failed Tuesday to take Obama's seat.

He marched into the Capitol, declaring himself "the junior senator from the state of Illinois," and asked Secretary of the Senate Nancy Erickson to accept a certification of his appointment signed by Blagojevich. Erickson refused, saying it lacked Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White's signature and the state seal.

White has refused to sign the appointment letter that Blagojevich gave to Burris, saying he won't sign onto any such decision by a governor under legal siege.

White said Wednesday says he's being unfairly blamed by senators for not seating Burris, saying Burris could have been accepted there without his signature, calling that "mostly ceremonial."

And in Chicago, Burris' attorneys asked the Illinois Supreme Court on Tuesday to expedite a hearing on their petition for a court order directing White to certify his appointment.

Burris also was considering a federal lawsuit to force Senate Democrats to seat him.

"Our credentials were rejected by the secretary of the Senate," said Timothy W. Wright III, an attorney for Burris. "We were not allowed to be placed in the record book. We were not allowed to proceed to the floor for purposes of taking oath. All of which we think was improperly done and is against the law of this land."

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_go_co/senate_burris;_ylt=Aj7DBr4Dj3yTIJIkf2e_b_iyFz4D)

[sadaist]

Figures the Democrat's are going to show no backbone in this.........talk tough and cave......

They don't have much choice. On the surface, it seems all laws and procedures were followed so they have nothing to stand on other than a missing signature. Sure Blagojevich is probably a crooked politician and going away for a long time, but in fact no charges have even been brought against him. The District Attorney just requested another 90 days to put together an indictment against him. If they had anything rock solid this would have been done the day he was arrested. The Senate leaders can talk all they want but at the end of the day they are required to follow the law or they're no better than what they're accusing Blagojevich of. I don't consider that caving.

[GAR]

Burris says he expects to be seated in Senate soon
15 mins ago

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WASHINGTON – Roland Burris said Wednesday he should be able to join the Senate "very shortly," after talking to newly supportive Democratic leaders and working on lingering legal obstacles.

Talking to reporters on the second day of a Washington power odyssey that would intimidate many, the 71-year-old Burris declared himself "very happy" and said he was pleased with his meeting with Sens. Harry Reid and Dick Durbin.

"My whole interest in this experience is to be prepared" to lead Illinois, Burris said, "and very shortly I will have the opportunity to do that."

Burris' legal issues include a pending decision by a court in his home state on whether Secretary of State Jesse White's signature is required on his certification papers and his appearance Thursday before a committee considering the impeachment of Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who appointed him to take Barack Obama's Senate seat.

For his part, Obama stood above the fray, telling his own news conference that the decision on whether to allow Burris to join the Senate is a decision for Senate leaders. He did say that he knew him, liked him and would be happy to work with him if he is seated.

Earlier, Reid, D-Nev., emerged with Durbin from a private meeting they had in the Capitol building with Burris, the former attorney general of Illinois.

Reid said the Senate was awaiting that court ruling by the state court that tests whether the White has to put his signature on Burris' letter of appointment. White has taken the position that Blagojevich, accused of seeking to benefit financially from filling Obama's seat, did not have legal authority to make the appointment.

Of Burris, Reid told reporters: "We don't have a problem with him as an individual."

And both he and Durbin, D-Ill., dramatically softened their party's opposition to seating any Blagojevich appointee.

Knowledgeable Senate officials said the visual embrace of Burris was meant to show acceptance of his personal and professional qualifications, an indication that opposition to seating him was waning.

Burris was on the second day of a bizarre introduction to Capitol Hill, standing in the rain Tuesday to say he wouldn't be seated and then giving a much more upbeat assessment of prospects Wednesday after his meeting with Reid and Durbin.

Burris was asked about the obviously warmer reception he got the second time around this week.

"I don't know what pressure they were under, but they, I guess they have to keep the integrity of the Senate," he said. "And they did not want to rush into anything and make a decision where they have to then be trying to reverse that. And that would even be worse."

Asked if he, Reid and Durbin discussed any conditions under which he could be seated, he said that subject "wasn't even on their radar screen."

When a reporter inquired as to whether Burris might have had any "pay to play" discussions with Blagojevich or his office, Burris said that couldn't have happened "because I don't have no money."

[GAR]

"don't have no money" my ass, I wanna know how much he's paid everybody off with the likes of the no-money that he didn't have to pay off Blagojevic?

[LoungeMachine]

There's currently an open thread/discussion on this topic Gar....

Please use it to spew your crap.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

The missing signature makes the appointment not valid, right? I thought the Illinois Secretary of State had to sign off on his appointment.

[LoungeMachine]

The Sec of State was wrong not to sign it....

IF they wanted to impeach Bloggo, they could have....

Why did Fitz ask for an extension on filing the indcitment, anyway?


What this DOES prove, is the Dems STILL look like a bunch of Keystone Kops.

Reid and Pelosi must go.

:gulp:

[GAR]

Reid and Pelosi must go.

:gulp:

I'll register my very first party designation as Democrat if that happens. Much as I wish, it's not gonna.

[LoungeMachine]

I'll register my very first party designation as Democrat if that happens. Much as I wish, it's not gonna.

They've been the worst thing to happen to The Dems since JF Kerry.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of vistory in 2006.

Spineless twats with their own torture memo skeletons to worry about...

Fuck em both.

:gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

Merging threads. I love that function at the junction!

One of the nice things about vBulletin updates!

[LoungeMachine]

Merging threads. I love that function at the junction!

One of the nice things about vBulletin updates!

Yeah, I just didnt bother because of the source. ;)

:gulp:

[kwame k]

Wonder why the "source" is here? I thought the KKKroth forum was that other place.

[sadaist]

The missing signature makes the appointment not valid, right? I thought the Illinois Secretary of State had to sign off on his appointment.


Yes. The appointment is not valid without both the Gov. and Sec. signatures. And as far as "having" to sign off on it, the Ill. Supreme Court should be ruling on this very quickly.

[LoungeMachine]

Yes. The appointment is not valid without both the Gov. and Sec. signatures. And as far as "having" to sign off on it, the Ill. Supreme Court should be ruling on this very quickly.

Wonder what the Ill. Supreme Court is charging these days for rulings.....

:gulp:

[hideyoursheep]

This is not change.