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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
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    Obama Proposes Military Funding Cuts

    I know some will dismiss article this over the first four words, but anyway ...

    February 01, 2009

    by Mark Whittington


    USS Ronald Reagan


    According to Fox News, President Barack Obama has demanded that the Department of DefenseObama Proposes Military Funding Cutscut its budget request for Fiscal Year 2010 by ten percent, about fifty five billion dollars. The brunt of the cuts will fall on weapons systems.

    The proposed military funding cuts come not only during a time of war, but while Congress is demanding that the military expand to meet its commitments. Also, ironically, President Obama's defense funding cuts are being proposed while at the same time he is demanding a nearly trillion dollar stimulus package consisting of domestic spending increases.

    Barack Obama's apparent desire to cut back military spending while expanding its size carries within it the very real danger of recreating the Jimmy Carter era "hollow military." The hollow military of the 1970s, in the wake of the Vietnam War, was strong on paper, but because of inadequate funding lacked the necessary weapons, supplies, and training to effectively carry out the national security missions of the United States.

    The proposed Barack Obama budget cuts would seem to be dangerous to the point of recklessness in a time when the United States is preparing to fight a major campaign to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan while maintaining other worldwide commitments. The proposed defense funding cuts also sends a signal of weakness to America's enemies.

    Considering Barack Obama's wiliness to spend profligately on virtually everything else, one wonders why he had decided to skimp on national defense. It doesn't make sense, even from an economic stimulus perspective. Tens of thousands of people work in industries that manufacture tanks, planes, and ammunition. Defense funding cut backs would tend to depress defense industries, helping to defeat the purpose of an economic stimulus policy.

    One reason for the proposed Obama defense cutbacks may be tied into the shift in foreign policy the Obama administration is pursuing, concentrating more on diplomacy than had the Bush administration, the Bush administration used the US military as a tool of American foreign policy. The liberation of Iraq, for instance, while controversial, has had the salutary effect of creating the first real democracy in the Arab world, as one might note the successful and largely peaceful provincial elections that just concluded in that country. Creating democracies where there were none, reasoned the Bush foreign policy team, is not only a worthy goal in and of itself, but also tends to lend to peace and stability in the long run.

    The threat of force is also a good diplomatic tool, which might prove to have salutary benefits for every problem ranging from Iran's quest for nuclear weapons to checking the expansionist desires of Russia. The liberation of Iraq proved that the United States was willing to use force if necessary. The threat of it happening again causes America's enemies to at the very least proceed with caution. One example of this occurred soon after the fall of Baghdad when Libya, afraid that it might be next, agreed to give up all of its weapons of mass destruction.

    The Obama administration, it would seem, desires to eschew the use of military force or even the threat of it. It therefore follows that when ones pursues a relatively pacifist foreign policy that one need not spend as much on national defense.

    The problem is that a pacifist foreign policy and a weak military tends to invite military disasters. President Carter's Presidency was all but destroyed by the failed attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran as well as the unchecked Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. President Clinton's Presidency was damaged severely by the Blackhawk Down episode in Somalia when eighteen American Army Rangers were killed and their bodies but on grotesque display.

    As sure as night follows day, Barack Obama's proposed military funding cuts will likely result in another military debacle as America's enemies exploit the opening that provides. America's standing in the world, which relies more on fear and respect than affection, will be harmed. American servicemen an dperhaps American civilians will needlessly die. Barack Obama's Presidency will be irreparably damaged. If only for the latter if not the two former reasons, Barack Obama should rethink his approach to military spending.



  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    #2
    Here's how to cut the Defense Budget:

    1) Not a penny for BlacKKKwater or any other mercenary thug "contractors". Private armies are illegal, and cannot be tolerated.

    2) End the occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the long term occupations of Germany, Japan, Korea, etc. Why are there still US troops in countries where the war ended generations ago?

    3) The United States Military should be used for its intended purpose, defending the United States of America. Not as world police, or to secure corporate profits.

    4) Audit every last penny going to "defense" contractors. Prosecute the criminals who have defrauded the American taxpayers, and shut their criminal corporations down.


    Can anybody make a reasonable argument against these proposals?
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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      Not against number four...Or three...

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49136

        #4
        Originally posted by ELVIS
        I know some will dismiss article this over the first four words, but anyway ...

        February 01, 2009

        by Mark Whittington


        USS Ronald Reagan


        According to Fox News, President Barack Obama has demanded that the Department of DefenseObama Proposes Military Funding Cutscut its budget request for Fiscal Year 2010 by ten percent, about fifty five billion dollars. The brunt of the cuts will fall on weapons systems.

        The proposed military funding cuts come not only during a time of war, but while Congress is demanding that the military expand to meet its commitments. Also, ironically, President Obama's defense funding cuts are being proposed while at the same time he is demanding a nearly trillion dollar stimulus package consisting of domestic spending increases.

        Barack Obama's apparent desire to cut back military spending while expanding its size carries within it the very real danger of recreating the Jimmy Carter era "hollow military." The hollow military of the 1970s, in the wake of the Vietnam War, was strong on paper, but because of inadequate funding lacked the necessary weapons, supplies, and training to effectively carry out the national security missions of the United States.

        The proposed Barack Obama budget cuts would seem to be dangerous to the point of recklessness in a time when the United States is preparing to fight a major campaign to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan while maintaining other worldwide commitments. The proposed defense funding cuts also sends a signal of weakness to America's enemies.

        Considering Barack Obama's wiliness to spend profligately on virtually everything else, one wonders why he had decided to skimp on national defense. It doesn't make sense, even from an economic stimulus perspective. Tens of thousands of people work in industries that manufacture tanks, planes, and ammunition. Defense funding cut backs would tend to depress defense industries, helping to defeat the purpose of an economic stimulus policy.

        One reason for the proposed Obama defense cutbacks may be tied into the shift in foreign policy the Obama administration is pursuing, concentrating more on diplomacy than had the Bush administration, the Bush administration used the US military as a tool of American foreign policy. The liberation of Iraq, for instance, while controversial, has had the salutary effect of creating the first real democracy in the Arab world, as one might note the successful and largely peaceful provincial elections that just concluded in that country. Creating democracies where there were none, reasoned the Bush foreign policy team, is not only a worthy goal in and of itself, but also tends to lend to peace and stability in the long run.

        The threat of force is also a good diplomatic tool, which might prove to have salutary benefits for every problem ranging from Iran's quest for nuclear weapons to checking the expansionist desires of Russia. The liberation of Iraq proved that the United States was willing to use force if necessary. The threat of it happening again causes America's enemies to at the very least proceed with caution. One example of this occurred soon after the fall of Baghdad when Libya, afraid that it might be next, agreed to give up all of its weapons of mass destruction.

        The Obama administration, it would seem, desires to eschew the use of military force or even the threat of it. It therefore follows that when ones pursues a relatively pacifist foreign policy that one need not spend as much on national defense.

        The problem is that a pacifist foreign policy and a weak military tends to invite military disasters. President Carter's Presidency was all but destroyed by the failed attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran as well as the unchecked Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. President Clinton's Presidency was damaged severely by the Blackhawk Down episode in Somalia when eighteen American Army Rangers were killed and their bodies but on grotesque display.

        As sure as night follows day, Barack Obama's proposed military funding cuts will likely result in another military debacle as America's enemies exploit the opening that provides. America's standing in the world, which relies more on fear and respect than affection, will be harmed. American servicemen an dperhaps American civilians will needlessly die. Barack Obama's Presidency will be irreparably damaged. If only for the latter if not the two former reasons, Barack Obama should rethink his approach to military spending.



        What's "Obama's wiliness?" "dperhaps" someone can tell me?

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49136

          #5
          This article is mostly opinion based on hearsay. But it's pretty funny when sloppy right wing tools try to fault Obama for military budget cuts "during wartime" when they fucking support TAX CUTS "during wartime" as well...

          I guess it's okay to wage perpetual wars as long as you can borrow the money from the Chinese...
          Last edited by Nickdfresh; 02-03-2009, 03:44 PM.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58754

            #6
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            Not against number four...Or three...
            If you agree with #3, then you have to agree with #2. So why not make it unanimous and agree with #1 also. You can't possibly think private thug mercenary armies are a good thing?
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            • thome
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Mar 2005
              • 6675

              #7
              -THE WORLD- begs us to be thier police.

              Daily.

              Now, what are YOU going to answer the world with?

              These are the things you never see. You will never understand.

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              • thome
                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                • Mar 2005
                • 6675

                #8
                "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." President Thomas Jefferson
                "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." --Ben Franklin
                In context "Directed toward the British Crown" in the year 1770.
                Not towards the US constitution, they were drafting.

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                • Redballjets88
                  Full Member Status

                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4454

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  If you agree with #3, then you have to agree with #2. So why not make it unanimous and agree with #1 also. You can't possibly think private thug mercenary armies are a good thing?
                  I agree, but don't feel that bringing everyone home is good. We have bases all over the world for a reasons, mostly to be able to respond at a moments notice to a threat of any kind. But other than that I'm cool with it.
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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58754

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Redballjets88
                    I agree, but don't feel that bringing everyone home is good. We have bases all over the world for a reasons, mostly to be able to respond at a moments notice to a threat of any kind. But other than that I'm cool with it.

                    The only sort of threat that you only have a moment to respond to would be a nuclear threat. And I'm talking Russia or China here.... someone with an actual capability of throwing missiles at us. And no amount of troops stationed in Europe or in the Middle East are going to make a damn bit of difference if, God forbid, that ever happens.

                    The last real threat to this country from a foreign power was World War II. Japan hit a US base in Hawaii (not yet a state, but clearly established as a US territory by then) and we responded. Now you could make arguments one way or the other to whether we should have considered Hitler a threat before then, but in any case, when the actual threat to the US became a reality, congress declared war within the next day or so, and it was on. Everything was done according to the Constitution, and with the purpose of defending THIS country. So what was wrong with that approach?

                    (aside from the internment camps for Japanese Americans, but that's a whole other discussion)
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                    • WACF
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2920

                      #11
                      Originally posted by thome
                      -THE WORLD- begs us to be thier police.

                      Daily.

                      Now, what are YOU going to answer the world with?

                      These are the things you never see. You will never understand.
                      You only respond when your own self interests are at risk.

                      The world police bit is a crock...

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                      • Sarge
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Feb 2003
                        • 5422

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        Here's how to cut the Defense Budget:

                        1) Not a penny for BlacKKKwater or any other mercenary thug "contractors". Private armies are illegal, and cannot be tolerated.

                        2) End the occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the long term occupations of Germany, Japan, Korea, etc. Why are there still US troops in countries where the war ended generations ago?

                        3) The United States Military should be used for its intended purpose, defending the United States of America. Not as world police, or to secure corporate profits.

                        4) Audit every last penny going to "defense" contractors. Prosecute the criminals who have defrauded the American taxpayers, and shut their criminal corporations down.


                        Can anybody make a reasonable argument against these proposals?
                        I agree with most of your post except for number 3.
                        We need a presence in these areas in order for our national security. For the United States to lose all of it's quick strike capabilities would be a detriment.
                        We have drawn down some in Korea (about time!) and things need to be looked at on how to strategically place our personnel so that they can be used to their abilities and decrease in size. We shouldn't be maintaining large armies in other countries.

                        This is a time where we can shake things up some.
                        I hope the government tries to rethink a few things instead of doing business as usual.
                        The Military wastes resources and we can save money by rethinking a few things.
                        Here are a few ideas.
                        These might be bad ideas, but they are worth looking at.

                        1. Combining services on some of the branches of service is a good idea.
                        It's not a good idea to have ONE military. Why not combine our personnel, pay and medical services? These services are being duplicated in every branch and seem like a waste to me.

                        2. Seabees and Army Engineers used to construct the infrastructure on most military posts. Most of this has been farmed out to civilian contractors. Why?
                        Yes the local community benefits from this, but at the benefit of the taxpayer.
                        Everything on most posts is now run by civilian contractors.
                        Security personnel are at every gate, mess hall is mostly civilians, landscaping, construction etc is not done by soldiers anymore.
                        Yes we are stretched thin with 2 conflicts but we should be providing some of these services.
                        All the security contracts in the Middle East need to stop right now. It's amazing people were allowed to profit on that.

                        3. Government contractors need to be held accountable for their expenses.

                        4. This is going to piss some people off, but we need to rethink the VA Health care system. We have VA Hospitals in every major city. They provide a valuable resource to our veterans.
                        The VA Health care system was instituted when we didn't have a Hospital on every corner. Seems like a waste of resources and things can be looked at to provide the same level of care to these soldiers at a reduced cost to our country. The health care system in the US is really fucked right now so it might be best to leave things as they are for those who have given so much to our country.

                        5. IRAQ is what is running this country bankrupt. So much could be done with 3 trillion like universal health care and efforts to encourage small business growth.
                        What a shame. I am eternally grateful for those who have died and served in that conflict, but as someone who has deployed multiple times and a wife that deployed.. it's not worth it. Something needs to be done to reduce troop strength and eventually pull out. I am not the person pulling the trigger on this and I am glad. It's a no win situation in a volatile environment.

                        More to come when I get time....

                        If you do not agree with anything I said..

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                        • sadaist
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                          • Jul 2004
                          • 11625

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD

                          3) The United States Military should be used for its intended purpose, defending the United States of America. Not as world police, or to secure corporate profits.
                          So how about placing them along the Unites States borders to prevent non-citizen criminals from illegally crossing into US territory?
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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sarge
                            3. Government contractors need to be held accountable for their expenses.

                            More to come when I get time....

                            If you do not agree with anything I said..

                            Breasts,
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                            • Guitar Shark
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 7576

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sarge
                              I agree with most of your post except for number 3.
                              We need a presence in these areas in order for our national security. For the United States to lose all of it's quick strike capabilities would be a detriment.
                              We have drawn down some in Korea (about time!) and things need to be looked at on how to strategically place our personnel so that they can be used to their abilities and decrease in size. We shouldn't be maintaining large armies in other countries.

                              This is a time where we can shake things up some.
                              I hope the government tries to rethink a few things instead of doing business as usual.
                              The Military wastes resources and we can save money by rethinking a few things.
                              Here are a few ideas.
                              These might be bad ideas, but they are worth looking at.

                              1. Combining services on some of the branches of service is a good idea.
                              It's not a good idea to have ONE military. Why not combine our personnel, pay and medical services? These services are being duplicated in every branch and seem like a waste to me.

                              2. Seabees and Army Engineers used to construct the infrastructure on most military posts. Most of this has been farmed out to civilian contractors. Why?
                              Yes the local community benefits from this, but at the benefit of the taxpayer.
                              Everything on most posts is now run by civilian contractors.
                              Security personnel are at every gate, mess hall is mostly civilians, landscaping, construction etc is not done by soldiers anymore.
                              Yes we are stretched thin with 2 conflicts but we should be providing some of these services.
                              All the security contracts in the Middle East need to stop right now. It's amazing people were allowed to profit on that.

                              3. Government contractors need to be held accountable for their expenses.

                              4. This is going to piss some people off, but we need to rethink the VA Health care system. We have VA Hospitals in every major city. They provide a valuable resource to our veterans.
                              The VA Health care system was instituted when we didn't have a Hospital on every corner. Seems like a waste of resources and things can be looked at to provide the same level of care to these soldiers at a reduced cost to our country. The health care system in the US is really fucked right now so it might be best to leave things as they are for those who have given so much to our country.

                              5. IRAQ is what is running this country bankrupt. So much could be done with 3 trillion like universal health care and efforts to encourage small business growth.
                              What a shame. I am eternally grateful for those who have died and served in that conflict, but as someone who has deployed multiple times and a wife that deployed.. it's not worth it. Something needs to be done to reduce troop strength and eventually pull out. I am not the person pulling the trigger on this and I am glad. It's a no win situation in a volatile environment.

                              More to come when I get time....

                              If you do not agree with anything I said..

                              Breasts,
                              Sarge
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