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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
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    Justice Dept. Should Block Live Nation TicketBastard Merger

    Irving Azoff and Michael Rapino talk up advantages of a union of the firms.

    By Randy Lewis

    February 12, 2009

    One of the biggest challenges facing the architects of the Ticketmaster- Live Nation merger is making a case that the union can benefit fans and not just the companies' stockholders.

    They'll have to argue that point to the Justice Department, which on Wednesday announced it will conduct an investigation to make sure the merger of the world's largest ticket seller with the biggest concert promoter and facility operator doesn't result in an illegal monopoly of the concert business. But they'll also have to persuade those ticket-buying fans to whom Ticketmaster represents one of the evils of the modern world.

    "Calling the new company Live Nation Entertainment is a big statement," Live Nation Chief Executive and President Michael Rapino said in an interview Tuesday. "Let's make sure we send a strong message from the first investor call. . . . There's no way around it, we've got to build a better mousetrap to compete in today's times."


    "The government is saying, 'If our economic stimulus plan works, this is what will happen,' " he said in a separate interview. "If our plan happens . . . it can, should and will result in lower ticket prices in the primary market. If that plan fails to come to pass, artists, consumers and the industry will not be the better for it."

    Azoff, whose Front Line Management stable of superstar acts is part of the new company, goes so far as to say that the worst thing that can happen for musicians and fans is for the two companies to do nothing.

    "The system is broken," Azoff said. "This is about being in the music business -- not just the record business, not just touring, not just ticketing. With the almost complete collapse of the ability to monetize recorded music, we think this model will allow artists to control their fate along several product lines within the music business."

    The executives spoke of their industry's failure to keep up with the technological changes that have radically reshaped the music landscape.

    "The first question is, if we don't do something, where will the innovation come from?" Rapino said. "I'm not saying I have four silver bullets that will make everybody happy. But the model has got to change."

    As things stand, 40% of concert tickets on average go unsold, the executives noted.

    "We're not looking to gouge the public with higher ticket prices," Azoff said. "We want to sell more tickets and have the full dollars [from sold-out shows] available to distribute."

    Added Rapino: "In my business, the cheaper the ticket price the better. I'd love for more consumers to walk into an amphitheater, park, have a beer and eat a hot dog. There's no advantage to me to have anything but sold-out shows."

    Both executives want to explore new methods to keep tickets in the hands of fans rather than scalpers. Airline tickets, for example, cannot be resold. But, noted one concert industry veteran, "the airline business is a regulated industry; ours is not."

    For AC/DC’s recent concert at the Forum in Inglewood, Ticketmaster tried a ticket-less system in which fans got into the arena not with a ticket but by swiping the ID they used to buy the ticket.

    Azoff and Rapino speak of the new company's giving them greater flexibility to allow consumers to create customized packages with whatever products or services they want from a given artist: concert tickets, merchandise, music downloads, ring tones, special access at concert sound checks or meet-and-greet parties.

    It's not out of the realm of possibility that some of these ideas might pay off for fans.

    "There are obvious synergies between Ticketmaster and Live Nation," said Alan Krueger, an economics professor at Princeton University who has done extensive research on the concert industry, in an e-mail. "I think a combined company could be much more innovative in distributing music and pricing tickets.

    "They could combine digital downloads of music (both live and recorded) with concert ticket promotion," Krueger said. "They could also use the vast market information that Ticketmaster acquires to target locations for concerts and the number of concerts (as Bruce Springsteen did in New Jersey on his last tour). This would be a blow to scalpers but probably help fans who want to buy tickets in the primary market."

    randy.lewis@latimes.com


    Originally posted by Kristy
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    Originally posted by cadaverdog
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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
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    #2
    So now the two companies that have fucked up concert ticket prices, and made it nearly impossible for fans to get the best seats want to merge into ONE company?

    FUCK THAT.

    Existing antitrust laws need to be enforced, and the ones that either Reagan, Clinton, or Bush canceled need to be reinstated.
    Eat Us And Smile

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    • LoungeMachine
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      • Jul 2004
      • 32555

      #3
      indeed.

      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • sadaist
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jul 2004
        • 11625

        #4
        I just hope that when people finally stop paying the huge prices for tickets with these guys and they go broke....that we don't bail them out because they are too big to fail.
        “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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        • LoungeMachine
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          • Jul 2004
          • 32555

          #5
          Any corporation "too big to fail" should be deemed TOO BIG TO EXIST, in my opinion.

          This is worse than ClearChannel.

          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • sadaist
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jul 2004
            • 11625

            #6
            Originally posted by LoungeMachine
            Any corporation "too big to fail" should be deemed TOO BIG TO EXIST, in my opinion.

            This is worse than ClearChannel.

            Fuckin' A!
            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58755

              #7
              This IS Clear Channel. Unless Live Nation has completely separated from them by now?
              Eat Us And Smile

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              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • LoungeMachine
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                • Jul 2004
                • 32555

                #8
                They have.

                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • kwame k
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 11302

                  #9
                  Yup, bringing over-priced, homogenized radio and concerts since..........Looks like XM and Sirius might be going bankrupt........pull a Ted Turner and buy the whole enchallida.......Corporate Media/Entertainment still suck!
                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                  • FORD
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                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58755

                    #10
                    Not completely separate though. Clear Channel's Lowry Mays (friend of Chimpy) is still on the Live Nation board of directors, as is Randall Mays (his son)

                    More troubling, in the context of the current justice department doing anything about this, is that Ari Emanuel (brother of you know who) is also on the board. Will Eric Holder risk the wrath of Rahm and do what is right?
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • WACF
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2920

                      #11
                      Originally posted by kwame k
                      Yup, bringing over-priced, homogenized radio and concerts since..........Looks like XM and Sirius might be going bankrupt........pull a Ted Turner and buy the whole enchallida.......Corporate Media/Entertainment still suck!
                      It is going to a do or die year for sat radio.

                      I hope it survives...it still beats the crap out of what I can get here.

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                      Sirius XM Holds Talks With Liberty Media

                      Liberty Media, the media company controlled by John C. Malone, is in preliminary talks with the satellite radio giant Sirius XM Radio, people briefed on the negotiations told DealBook.

                      A deal between Liberty and Sirius XM could throw a wrench in takeover plans by EchoStar, the television satellite company that has been acquiring Sirius XM’s debt.

                      The high drama comes at a critical time for Sirius XM, which faces $175 million in debt payments that will come due on Feb. 17. The company is unlikely to be able to meet those obligations.

                      Mel Karmazin, Sirius XM’s chief executive, has been locked in talks with Charles W. Ergen, his counterpart at EchoStar, these people said. The two men are said to not get along, and Mr. Karmazin has rebuffed Mr. Ergen’s advances before.

                      While EchoStar’s proposal to Sirius XM is unclear, it may be no better for the satellite radio’s company’s bondholders than a bankruptcy filing, people close to the company said. Sirius XM hired advisers several weeks ago to prepare for a potential bankruptcy filing, which could come within days, these people said.

                      It is not clear how advanced the talks between Sirius XM and Liberty are, but any potential deal between the two could spark a bidding war with EchoStar. Because EchoStar holds a large portion of Sirius XM’s debt — a majority of the $175 million due on Feb. 17 and part of a $400 million tranche that comes due in December — it may have an upper hand in any such negotiations.

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                      • kwame k
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                        • Feb 2008
                        • 11302

                        #12
                        Fuck I agree........this sucks....I haven't had Sat Radio in 2 years and was thinking about getting it again, for the drive across country in two weeks......fuck! Better load up the MP3 player......
                        Originally posted by vandeleur
                        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                        • WACF
                          Crazy Ass Mofo
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 2920

                          #13
                          Originally posted by kwame k
                          Fuck I agree........this sucks....I haven't had Sat Radio in 2 years and was thinking about getting it again, for the drive across country in two weeks......fuck! Better load up the MP3 player......
                          If you have an old radio to activate it might be worth a listen...after the merger it is kinda hot and cold for me...still beats terrestrial though.

                          I would not buy any new radios until they clear a few of their hurdles...
                          Last edited by WACF; 02-12-2009, 08:48 PM. Reason: stupidity

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                          • kwame k
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                            • Feb 2008
                            • 11302

                            #14
                            Originally posted by WACF
                            If you have an old radio to activate it might be worth a listen...after the merger it is kinda hot and cold for me...still beats terrestrial though.

                            I would not buy any new radios until they clear a few of their hurdles...
                            I still have the Road Ready II (?) XM one......yeah, I might for the road trip.
                            Originally posted by vandeleur
                            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                            • GAR
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10849

                              #15
                              The economies-of-scale argument didn't work for ATT!

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