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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    'Substantial doubt' for GM future

    GM is struggling in the dire market for new cars

    BBC News

    Thursday, 5 March 2009



    There is "substantial doubt" about the ability of General Motors (GM) to stay afloat, the firm's auditors have said.

    Ongoing losses and the struggle to generate cashflow meant the firm's ability to continue as a going concern should be questioned, they added.

    Last week GM posted a $30.9bn (£21.9bn) loss for 2008 and warned that 2009 was set to be "challenging".

    The firm, which plans to cut 47,000 jobs also said it might need another $22.6bn in government loans to survive.

    It has already received $13.4bn in federal loans as it struggles in what analysts say is the worst vehicle sales market in 27 years.

    GM said that its creditors had decided not to force the company to repay more than $6bn in loans following the auditor's warning, in order to let GM press the case for more government financial aid.

    Shares in General Motors fell almost 15% in early New York trading.

    Liquidation fear

    "The corporation's recurring losses from operations, stockholders' deficit, and inability to generate sufficient cash flow to meet its obligations and sustain its operations raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern," auditors for Deloitte & Touche wrote in the annual report.

    GM reiterated on Thursday that a bankruptcy filing could lead to liquidation, as the company would not have enough funds to finance its reorganisation.

    Besides, consumers could be reluctant to buy bankrupt carmakers' vehicles, GM said.

    According to GM, its February sales plummeted 53% from a year earlier, as its rival Ford posted a 48% drop.

    Step in

    The auditors' remarks reflect comments already made by the firm about its dire difficulties.

    Earlier this week, GM's top executive warned the European divisions of General Motors (GM) could collapse within weeks without European governments' help - costing up to 300,000 jobs.

    Chief operating officer Fritz Henderson said governments should step in immediately to ensure GM Europe did not run out of money by April or May.

    GM said in its annual report: "Our future is dependent on our ability to execute our viability plan.

    "If we fail to do so for any reason, we would not be able to continue as a going concern and could potentially be forced to seek relief through a filing under the US bankruptcy code."


  • Combat Ready
    Foot Soldier
    • Mar 2007
    • 572

    #2
    So--the taxpayers are already on the hook for 13.5 billion. Then--we give 'em another 22.5 billion. What are the odds they still will file for bankruptcy after the "bailout"?

    95%?

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      UPDATE: GM Gets Defensive On Blog Over Viability Doubts

      March 06, 2009

      By Steven Russolillo





      It's a shame for an American Icon to be in so much trouble with so many promising ideas and high quality products available or on the horizon...


      NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- General Motors Corp. (GM), in response to its auditors casting doubt on its viability plan, said on its corporate blog that it still believes its restructuring will lead to long-term success.

      GM's continuing losses and inability to generate cash for continued operations led auditors from Deloitte and Touche to determine there was substantial doubt that the company can survive. GM admitted many factors, some of which are out of its control, contribute to its uncertain future, but maintained its vision for long-term prosperity.

      "We acknowledge the challenges and risks that face us today, but we're still going forward with our plan, we're still making the best cars we've ever built, and we're still rebuilding our company for long term viability," Steve Harris, vice president of global communications, wrote on GM's FastLane Blog on Thursday night.

      He noted the viability plan will position GM "not just for survival but success" as the market recovers and global auto sales reflect a strengthening economy.

      "I know, some will say that this sounds like corporate-speak. But what does anyone expect - that we'll pick up our marbles, say 'They're right,' and go home? Sorry we're planning on being around," Harris added.

      GM executives have used the blog in recent weeks to describe to the public details of its restructuring plan and explain why bankruptcy isn't the best option for its future. Several blog posts have also attempted to correct ways in which it felt it's been misrepresented in the media.

      GM previously said it could cost as much as $100 billion to restructure and emerge from bankruptcy. But The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that top executives may now be more willing to accept a speedy bankruptcy reorganization financed by the government.

      Harris posted a follow-up blog entry on Friday afternoon, saying GM hasn't changed its stance on bankruptcy.

      "Restructuring the business out of court remains the best solution for GM and our constituents," Harris said.

      He noted GM has analyzed various bankruptcy scenarios, but still firmly believes that an in-court restructuring would carry tremendous risks, including "a dramatic deterioration of revenue due to lost sales."

      "That's the deal, folks. We haven't changed our thinking. You analyze every option, but you move ahead with the one you think is best for the company. That's what we're doing," he said.

      GM shares, which have lost more than 90% of their value over the last year, were recently down 23% at $1.43.

      "We understand all too well the challenges we face at this time and in this truly difficult economy," Harris said. "But we're not giving up, we're not giving in, and we sure aren't planning on going away."



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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58785

        #4
        The fact that they're going ahead with vanity cars for the rich like the "new Camaro" is exactly why they're failing.

        Sure, if gas was .25/gallon and nobody was DYING for oil, I'd love to have a car like that. But it is simply GOD DAMNED IRRESPONSIBLE to keep building something like that, or gas hog SUV's in the current financial OR environmental climate.

        Especially when they pulled a perfectly good fleet of electric cars just a few years ago.
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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #5
          The V6 powered Camaro for just above $20,000 is one of the cars than may be able to save GM...

          "Vanity cars."


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          • swage33
            Head Fluffer
            • Jan 2009
            • 311

            #6
            GM and their competitors just want too much for their vehicles. Last summer I bought a worktruck, V6, 4X4 with cd and air. In my opinion this was an 18K truck. I had to pay 22K for it. I went to several dealerships and got the same story...they will not move on the sticker price. No one is guiltier than the rest, they are just not pricing their product honestly.
            High quality hate while you wait

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58785

              #7
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              The V6 powered Camaro for just above $20,000 is one of the cars than may be able to save GM...

              "Vanity cars."




              Artificial penis extensions on wheels. And if they're selling it for $20,000 then that's about half of what they said the price was going to be when they first announced the prototype a couple years ago. It's still a gas hog though.
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              • ELVIS
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                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                Sounds like a fair deal to me...

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49205

                  #9
                  Originally posted by swage33
                  GM and their competitors just want too much for their vehicles. Last summer I bought a worktruck, V6, 4X4 with cd and air. In my opinion this was an 18K truck. I had to pay 22K for it. I went to several dealerships and got the same story...they will not move on the sticker price. No one is guiltier than the rest, they are just not pricing their product honestly.

                  What were you basing your opinion on? If all the trucks are low $20s, than they probably are invoice priced at above the $18K you were looking for...

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49205

                    #10
                    It's a shame, because I honestly think the Chevy Malibu is one of the most beautiful cars on the road as far as family sedans go. The Honda Accord sedan and Camry you can fucking keep (or "Camcord")...

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58785

                      #11
                      I find it hard to believe that the dealerships "will not move on the sticker price". Even in a good economy, the sticker price is always far enough above the dealer's actual cost to allow for a profit after negotiations. In this economy, particularly in Appalachia, I'd think they would be even more desperate for a sale.
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                      • Nickdfresh
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                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49205

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        I find it hard to believe that the dealerships "will not move on the sticker price". Even in a good economy, the sticker price is always far enough above the dealer's actual cost to allow for a profit after negotiations. In this economy, particularly in Appalachia, I'd think they would be even more desperate for a sale.

                        I guarantee that dealerships will move on the sticker price, and in fact there are manufacturer incentives as well. But there really isn't that far to move, and what's the point of selling a car for nothing? One might as well fail then.

                        The above example should be applied everywhere. In "my opinion," a toaster at Target should be $10 but they want $15 for it. Okay, than tell the kid at Target that and wait for him to invite you to get the fuck out...


                        But the profit margin for dealerships on vehicles is almost hysterically negligible. The furniture store down the street makes a much higher percentage on their merchandise than does an American car dealership...

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                        • sadaist
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 11625

                          #13
                          Sad. I love GM as it's what fed my family for many, many years. So I'm biased, yes. But I love their pickups. As far as Camaros & Vettes, I like the old ones 60's & 70's.
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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            GM will survive. If nothing else, because they are "too big to fail." A failure of GM would cause absolute economic havoc in not only the US, but much of Europe and Asia as well. And it would resonate far beyond just American automotive brands as an entire network of parts and services is based on a fragile network that relies on big manufacturers like GM to keep functioning. You'd be almost as fucked if you owned an older Toyota as the parts distribution for repairs would be severally impaired if GM went under..

                            We simply cannot allow GM to fail kids, for the same reason we cannot let AIG or Freddie/Fannie to fail. They're simply too big and the resulting economic meltdown would lead to a real depression...

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                            • Va Beach VH Fan
                              ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 17913

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FORD
                              And if they're selling it for $20,000 then that's about half of what they said the price was going to be when they first announced the prototype a couple years ago. It's still a gas hog though.
                              Not true FORD. I've been paying attention to the Camaro's pricing since they announced it was coming back. The V6 base price has always been around 20K. The V8 was around 30K or so...

                              I was considering getting a new one soon, but things will have to change for the better, and soon...
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