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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    WSJ: Van Halen one of the acts Scalping Own Tickets

    MARCH 11, 2009

    Concert Tickets Get Set Aside, Marked Up by Artists, Managers Article

    more in Media & Marketing »By ETHAN SMITH


    Less than a minute after tickets for last August's Neil Diamond concerts at New York's Madison Square Garden went on sale, more than 100 seats were available for hundreds of dollars more than their normal face value on premium-ticket site TicketExchange.com. The seller? Neil Diamond.

    Ticket reselling -- also known as scalping -- is an estimated $3 billion-a-year business in which professional brokers buy seats with the hope of flipping them to the public at a hefty markup.

    In the case of the Neil Diamond concerts, however, the source of the higher-priced tickets was the singer, working with Ticketmaster Entertainment Inc., which owns TicketExchange, and concert promoter AEG Live. Ticketmaster's former and current chief executives, one of whom is Mr. Diamond's personal manager, have acknowledged the arrangement, as has a person familiar with AEG Live, which is owned by Denver-based Anschutz Corp.

    Selling premium-priced tickets on TicketExchange, priced and presented as resales by fans, is a practice used by many other top performers, according to people in the industry. Joseph Freeman, Ticketmaster's senior vice president for legal affairs, says that the company's "Marketplace" pages only rarely list tickets offered by fans.

    The vast majority of tickets are sold by the artists and their promoters with the cooperation of Ticketmaster. In fact, he says that for any concert to which Ticketmaster carries so-called platinum seats, the Marketplace sells only artist-sanctioned tickets, not those resold by fans.


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    Neil Diamond approved premium ticket sales on a Ticketmaster site.
    Though scalping tickets is legal in most states, the spiraling prices for tickets sold in the secondary market are frequently the target of ire from consumers, Congress and artists, all of whom say the practice takes advantage of fans while enriching third-party speculators.

    Ticketmaster Chief Executive Irving Azoff said in an interview Tuesday that when ticket brokers resell tickets without permission from artists or promoters, it "drives up prices to fans, without putting any money in the pockets of artists or rights holders."

    But Ticketmaster facilitates the secondary ticket market and profits from it. According to several managers of top artists and Ticketmaster executives, the company routinely offers to list hundreds of the best tickets per concert on one of its two resale Web sites -- and divides the extra revenue, which can amount to more than $2 million on a major tour, with artists and promoters.

    These platinum seats are sold on Ticketmaster's TicketExchange, which describes itself as a marketplace for "fan-to-fan" transactions, using the slogan "Buy tickets. Sell tickets. It's that simple."

    In addition to being Ticketmaster's CEO, Mr. Azoff also oversees the company's Front Line Management division, which handles the affairs of more musicians than any other competitor in the U.S. -- and represents Mr. Diamond. Ticketmaster is in the process of being acquired by concert promoter Live Nation Inc., an all-stock deal that is under intense regulatory scrutiny in part because it could affect competition in the music business, including the secondary ticket market.

    Secondary ticket sales are viewed by Ticketmaster, concert promoters and artists as one of the biggest -- yet thorniest -- sources for revenue gains. In 2006, Ticketmaster launched TicketExchange in response to pressure put on its profit margins by secondary-ticket sellers such as StubHub. But in doing so, it opened the company to criticism by ticket brokers, fans and politicians, who accuse the ticketing giant of profiteering and obfuscation.

    Ticketmaster is moving to distance itself from some parts of the secondary ticketing market. It is in the process of hiring an investment bank to try to sell another resale service, TicketsNow, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Virtually every major concert tour today involves some official tickets that are priced and sold as if they were offered for resale by fans or brokers, but that are set aside by the artists and promoters, according to a number of people involved in the sales.

    That includes recent tours by Bon Jovi, Celine Dion and Van Halen, and a current tour starring Billy Joel and Elton John. Spokesmen for Bon Jovi and Ms. Dion had no comment. A spokesman for Van Halen said that the band could not be reached. A booking agent for Messrs. Joel and John did not respond to requests for comment.

    Tickets for a March 27 Britney Spears concert at Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh were priced earlier this week at $39.50 to $125 apiece on Ticketmaster.com. But some of those same classes of seats were being offered at the same time through the "TicketExchange Marketplace" for as much as $1,188.60. The link to the Marketplace page was marked, "Browse premium seats plus tickets posted by fans."

    Ms. Spears' spokeswoman declined to comment.

    The ticket listings are offered in small batches, each at a price, such as $1,164.01, that mimics prices set via online auctions. After inquiries from The Wall Street Journal, the "tickets posted by fans" message was removed from the TicketExchange Web site. Prices also fell, narrowing the gap between Ticketmaster and TicketExchange Marketplace.

    Tickets that do not sell at the inflated platinum prices can also be moved between TicketExchange and Ticketmaster's lower-priced main inventory, without any signal to consumers that the ticket's status has been reduced.

    Ticket brokers complain that artists sell their own tickets for inflated prices but rarely admit doing so, thus avoiding the appearance of gouging fans. "It's not fair for artists to hide behind Ticketmaster-TicketExchange," said Paul McCann, a broker near Baltimore. Ticketmaster says it is working to clarify the origin of tickets on TicketExchange. "It's cloudy and has to be cleaned up," Mr. Azoff said.

    Bruce Springsteen recently decried a recent incident in which his fans were directed without his permission from Ticketmaster to TicketsNow.com, which caters to ticket brokers.

    "As a matter of policy we do not ever release tickets to the secondary ticket market nor do we ever accept payment from them," said his manager, Jon Landau. Ticketmaster has said the incident was a mistake.

    Ticketmaster says TicketExchange shouldn't be considered scalping. It says the site's "goal is to give the most passionate fans fair and safe access to the best tickets."

    In a meeting last May with more than 100 ticket brokers, Ticketmaster's then-chief executive, Sean Moriarty, acknowledged that the ticketing giant had used TicketExchange to sell 160 Neil Diamond tickets over two shows at marked-up prices.

    "That's a choice up to Neil and management," Mr. Moriarty said. He did not respond to messages left on his cell phone requesting comment.

    "It's our job to make our clients aware of every opportunity that exists," Mr. Azoff, who is Mr. Diamond's manager, said in an interview last year.

    Testifying before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Courts and Competition Policy last month, Mr. Azoff said he believes the secondary market is currently flawed. "We agree that this model is broken," he told the panel, "and it needs a solution."

    Write to Ethan Smith at ethan.smith@wsj.com

    Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page B1
    Copyright 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved

    Concert Tickets Get Set Aside, Marked Up by Artists, Managers - WSJ.com
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?
  • Diamondjimi
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • May 2004
    • 12086

    #2
    Ticket bastard strikes again.
    With the advent of file sharing and a generation that,for the most part, thinks that paying for music is an old concept; The music industry is finding another way to shoot themselves in the foot. Sticking it to the fans!
    They will continue to price themselves out of the market and will probably see a decline in live show attendance.
    Fucking morons!
    Trolls take heed...LOG OUT & FUCK OFF!!!

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      Most profits from today's major tours are not made from ticket sales, but by merchandise sales.

      The production costs of the major tours are out of control, and ticket prices have reflected this.

      Look for scaled back production, a freeze on tix prices, and more $35 T-shirts.



      But dont look for new material from Vh, Inc any time soon....
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • Diamondjimi
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • May 2004
        • 12086

        #4
        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
        Most profits from today's major tours are not made from ticket sales, but by merchandise sales.
        True ,merch is a bands cash cow. We (my band) whore as much of it as we can.

        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
        The production costs of the major tours are out of control, and ticket prices have reflected this.
        Out of control ,but the diversion of tickets for resale at absorbanent above issued price by a company that also owns the original selling company is scalping . Plain and simple.

        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
        Look for scaled back production, a freeze on tix prices, and more $35 T-shirts.
        Scaled back production? Yeah ,makes sense. A freeze in ticket prices? I doubt it very much...
        If a band I like has good quality shirts , I don't mind dishing out $35 knowing that it's the bands bread and butter on tour. But these "superstar" fuckwits that try and charge $55 for a T-shirt and $75 for a "hoody" can get stuffed...


        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
        But dont look for new material from Vh, Inc any time soon....
        I'm not holding my breath on that one.
        Trolls take heed...LOG OUT & FUCK OFF!!!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32798

          #5
          Originally posted by Diamondjimi
          True ,merch is a bands cash cow. We (my band) whore as much of it as we can.



          Out of control ,but the diversion of tickets for resale at absorbanent above issued price by a company that also owns the original selling company is scalping . Plain and simple.



          Scaled back production? Yeah ,makes sense. A freeze in ticket prices? I doubt it very much...
          If a band I like has good quality shirts , I don't mind dishing out $35 knowing that it's the bands bread and butter on tour. But these "superstar" fuckwits that try and charge $55 for a T-shirt and $75 for a "hoody" can get stuffed...




          I'm not holding my breath on that one.
          If people were smart they would just not go to these shows. Stop buying the tickets and putting up with the shit. They price gouge because they know they can.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • LoungeMachine
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jul 2004
            • 32576

            #6
            Originally posted by Nitro Express
            If people were smart they would just not go to these shows. Stop buying the tickets and putting up with the shit. They price gouge because they know they can.
            Especially when they charge full price for 3/4 of the band.

            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • Va Beach VH Fan
              ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
              • Dec 2003
              • 17913

              #7
              Pro sports teams do the same thing, how they can basically legalize scalping via their TicketExchange is ridiculous...
              Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

              "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

              "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58786

                #8
                Just another example of how massive deregulation over the last 28 years has fucked this country.

                Remember when the kids in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" were pissed at Damone because they thought $25 was a ridiculous price to pay a scalper for Van HALEN tickets?

                And they're merging TicketBastard with Live "really, we're NOT clear channel anymore, even though the Mays brothers are still on our board of directors" Nation to create an absolute monopoly of all concert promotion & ticket sales??

                It's the same thing that's happening on Wall Street. Greedy bastards out of control, and the laws made to prevent it, either unenforced or eliminated entirely.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Panamark
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 17160

                  #9
                  Perhaps they have to start printing a persons name on the tickets.
                  That would fuckem ! Having to flip the old photo ID on entrance...
                  Last edited by Panamark; 03-18-2009, 09:13 PM.
                  BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
                  Love ya Mary Frances!

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58786

                    #10
                    If you buy the tickets online (and they're sent electronically as a PDF file) they DO have your name on them. Haven't seen anyone check for ID yet though.
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • Terry
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 11960

                      #11
                      If one doesn't like the high prices, then fuck it. Don't go.

                      Only way it's gonna change is if enough people say "fuck it" and stop shelling out the money.
                      Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58786

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Terry
                        If one doesn't like the high prices, then fuck it. Don't go.

                        Only way it's gonna change is if enough people say "fuck it" and stop shelling out the money.
                        Unfortunately, that's been my response in recent years. Only went to the Van HALEN show in Dec 07 because the last one was 23 years earlier. Missed the Stones the last time through. U2 as well. Don't know if I'll see either one this year.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Terry
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 11960

                          #13
                          I just think it's pretty weak to grouse about the inflated prices of concert tickets yet continue to go to concerts anyway.

                          This is different from grousing about paying top dollar for tickets to see a band, and the band turns up and one of their members is clearly too drunk to play well.

                          I mean, the bottom line is I'd go to more shows if ticket prices were cheaper. They are not, so I won't be.

                          Long as people keep paying these inflated prices, neither the corporations/institutions who own the halls/promote the shows NOR the bands performing have ANY reason to lower the prices.

                          That's the essence of it. All the intricate details of the LiveNation - Ticketmaster business collaboration needlessly complicate the simple.
                          Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                          • Diamondjimi
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • May 2004
                            • 12086

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Terry

                            Long as people keep paying these inflated prices, neither the corporations/institutions who own the halls/promote the shows NOR the bands performing have ANY reason to lower the prices.
                            Well said!
                            That's the ONLY way shit's gonna change...
                            Trolls take heed...LOG OUT & FUCK OFF!!!

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                            • hideyoursheep
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6351

                              #15
                              Turn it back to general admission...We're too old to trample one another now, and I don't think the Jonas Brothers will ever have to worry about it...Add NickleCock to that list as well.

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