Rolling Stones Remasters...... AGAIN?? [Archive] - The Diamond David Lee Roth Army

FORD

05-31-2009, 05:40 PM

Right around 2000 or so rumors of a Rolling Stones "career spanning box set" of rarities and other cool shit started circulating. The band eventually confirmed that they were indeed working on such a project. For some reason, it was scrapped at the 11th hour and replaced with "40 Licks" a career spanning greatest hits album with 4 "new" songs that were probably leftovers from Bridges to Babylon or whatever.

Since then, the Stones have made one studio album, two live DVD box sets, one movie (and the resulting DVD & Soundtrack CD) and have toured quite a bit.

But still no word on the goddamn box set.

Meanwhile the Stones are now releasing, AGAIN, their entire post 1970 catalog.

As if the 1986 CBS remasters, and the 1994 Virgin remasters weren't enough? And still, just straight reissues here.... no bonus material of any kind, even the B Sides released on 45"s from the same era.

For fucks sake, is it too much to ask for a REAL remaster of the Some Girls album, using the full length goddamn songs as they were before Bob Clearmountain sliced and diced them all into pieces small enough to fit on a 40 minute piece of vinyl?? Yeah, I got all that stuff on bootlegs, but it SOUNDS LIKE SHIT. We know you have the tapes. You know we'll buy it. What's the goddamn problem?

It's amazing how a band that's made an entire 9 studio albums in the 34 years since they last switched guitar players can always seem to find their way back on the charts with as little effort as possible.

"Call me lazy bones
Ain't got no time to waste away
Lazy bones ain't got no time to waste away
Don't you think, don't you think, it's just about time to hide away? Yeah, yeah!"

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twonabomber

05-31-2009, 06:17 PM

FORD

05-31-2009, 06:19 PM

This one is really from the Black and Blue sessions in 1975, and not 1979 as the title says. And it's not so much an "early version" as it is a "not butchered to fit on the album" version. And it was a goddamn crime to cut down the solo in this song. (Played by Wayne Perkins, BTW)

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FORD

05-31-2009, 06:21 PM

they left Virgin for Universal. i hear the remasters aren't so great, some posters at Shidoobee aren't saying good things about them, and Star Star has been altered a bit. someone there also mentioned that some of these remasters have sold less than 100 units.

I honestly had no clue that they had changed labels or that they were remastering again, until I stumbled across it on the net just an hour or so ago. Looks like Mick's publicity whore genes are slipping :biggrin:

FORD

05-31-2009, 06:29 PM

A little countryfied spin on "Wild Horses" courtesy of Gram Parsons on steel guitar.....

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FORD

05-31-2009, 06:37 PM

This one had potential. I wonder why they never finished it?

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FORD

05-31-2009, 06:38 PM

twonabomber

05-31-2009, 06:38 PM

I honestly had no clue that they had changed labels or that they were remastering again, until I stumbled across it on the net just an hour or so ago. Looks like Mick's publicity whore genes are slipping :biggrin:

Shine A Light was their first Universal release.

the remasters were announced on April 2nd.

Beginning on May 5th, fans of The Rolling Stones will have much to rejoice about with the arrival of re-mastered versions of "Sticky Fingers," "Goats Head Soup," "It's Only Rock 'n' Roll" and "Black And Blue."

And it doesn't end there. The band will continue their reissue campaign with Universal Music Group with the reissue of "Some Girls," "Emotional Rescue," "Tattoo You" and "Undercover," out on June 9th in the US and June 8th worldwide. The third round of reissues will follow soon thereafter with "Dirty Work," "Steel Wheels," "Voodoo Lounge," "Bridges To Babylon" and their most recent album of all new material, "A Bigger Bang."

Astute fans will notice the absence of the masterful "Exile On Main St." from the release schedule. Hailed by Rolling Stone magazine, where "Exile On Main St." was rated the 7th Greatest Album Of All Time, as "Jagger and Richards' definitive songwriting statement of outlaw pride and dedication to grit," no one has forgotten about the marquee album, least of all The Rolling Stones. A late 2009 reissue of "Exile On Main St." is being planned as part of a wider celebration that will accompany its release.

In a nod to the band's diehard fans, UMG will also be releasing a collector's box in which to house all 14 post-1971 studio albums, as well as making the catalogue newly available digitally.

More news will be available shortly.

one rumor is that the remaster of Exile will bring a new tour. i think if Mick wants to get a British "supergroup" together for the 2012 London Olympics that a tour would start sometime in 2011.

FORD

05-31-2009, 06:42 PM

Best goddamn version of this song ever recorded....yet officially unreleased :(

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FORD

05-31-2009, 06:51 PM

Maybe "Exile" will get the deluxe treatment that I wished Some Girls would get, and that's the reason they're treating it like a secret project. Possibly packaging it as a "box set" like Bruce did with the 30th anniversary of Born To Run, or U2 did with the 20th anniversary Joshua Tree.

Of course those two remasters included a DVD of a concert from that era. Dare we hope for a legit release of "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Rolling Stones" in an "Exile" box??

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FORD

05-31-2009, 06:55 PM

Holy shit.... did KI$$ rip off the Stones with "Strutter"??

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kwame k

05-31-2009, 07:25 PM

Fuck an a, FORD! Killer thread :beers8:

FORD

05-31-2009, 07:30 PM

FORD

05-31-2009, 07:31 PM

Fuck an a, FORD! Killer thread :beers8:

Hey, if Mick & Keith won't put this stuff out so folks can hear it, someone has to fuckin do it, right? :biggrin:

kwame k

05-31-2009, 07:33 PM

Igosplut

05-31-2009, 07:34 PM

Cool youtube there Ford, thanks...

Igosplut

05-31-2009, 07:43 PM

FORD

05-31-2009, 07:44 PM

This is "Miss You" take 1.

It actually lasts damn near 12 minutes, but no doubt got cut here due to YouTube's 10 Minute limit. Musically, it's almost the finished song. No sax or harmonica solos yet, and obviously not Mick's finished vocal, but all the other parts are pretty much right where they should be...........

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FORD

05-31-2009, 07:52 PM

kwame k

05-31-2009, 07:53 PM

FORD

05-31-2009, 07:58 PM

1964 style Stones blues, from a 1977 session.....

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FORD

05-31-2009, 08:07 PM

FORD

05-31-2009, 08:11 PM

Another one of those songs "edited for expediency" - though in this case, I think it was just to fuck with Mick Taylor. (He left the band soon after, reportedly because Mick and Keith faded out another song - "Time Waits For No One" - in the middle of his solo. Here they just cut out a big chunk of the song......

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FORD

05-31-2009, 08:20 PM

And now from the greatest live album of all time (fuck the legalities) "Brussels Affair"......

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kwame k

05-31-2009, 08:37 PM

Jesus, FORD! That live shit is some of the best Stones I ever heard, even given the limitations of sound quality from youtube.

FORD

06-01-2009, 02:56 PM

Kristy

06-01-2009, 04:26 PM

"Career-Spanning Box Set!" Boy howdy!

Amazes how Jagger can milk the Stones cash cow over and over and over again.

Stones were at their best when raunchy

Top 5 raunchy

1. Hey Negrita
2. Let It Bleed
3. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
4. Stray Cat Blues
5. Star Star

Cocksucker Blues really doesn't count because it was Jagger solo.

FORD

06-01-2009, 07:37 PM

"Career-Spanning Box Set!" Boy howdy!

Amazes how Jagger can milk the Stones cash cow over and over and over again.

Depends how they would do it. The proposed box set, as they initially advertised it, would have been all or mostly previously unreleased material, along the lines of the Beatles Anthology discs, or Dylan's Bootleg Series. So you might have recognized the songs, but different versions. Definitely worth the purchase for serious fans, maybe not so much for someone who thinks the Stones haven't made a worthy album since "Exile"

Stones were at their best when raunchy

Top 5 raunchy

1. Hey Negrita
2. Let It Bleed
3. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
4. Stray Cat Blues
5. Star Star

Cocksucker Blues really doesn't count because it was Jagger solo.

I'd add about half the Some Girls album to that list, especially the title track.

FORD

06-01-2009, 07:44 PM

And now for all you karaoake stars out there.... add your own vocals to "She's So Cold".

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FORD

06-01-2009, 07:49 PM

From the 1975 tour with a rare lead vocal by Billy Preston......

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:00 PM

I think this might have been before Keith got out of rehab....... :biggrin:

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:06 PM

Some Girls Sessions.... I've heard this was actually released as a B-Side for one of the Undercover era singles, but I've never seen it.....

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:11 PM

One of the most "infamous" Stones outtakes ever.... withheld from the Emotional Rescue album at the request of the Atlantic Records legal department.

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:14 PM

One of the best songs from the "Dirty Work" era, yet for some reason pulled from the album. And that's R&B legend Bobby Womack singing with Mick.

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:20 PM

Another "chopped up for vinyl expediency" track from Some Girls.....

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:37 PM

Alternate Mix-ed Emotions.

Don't know what's up with the computerized video here. Looks like Rolling Stones DOOM, except you aren't allowed to shoot Keith with the heroin gun or anything....

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:40 PM

Keith sings a little George Jones.......

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:46 PM

Recorded for "It's Only Rock n Roll". Eventually Mick scrapped the whole set of lyrics except for the "working so hard" part and rewrote it as "Luxury"....

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:48 PM

Released as a B side in 1974. Sadly forgotten since.....

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FORD

06-01-2009, 08:56 PM

A song Keith never finished from the Dirty Work sessions. Too bad, it sounds like it would have been a great one.......

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kwame k

06-01-2009, 09:04 PM

Dude, I can't thank you enough for these 'tubes. I've been listening to them off and on all day.

Love this band and the older I get the more I realize how great a drummer Chuck really is, I've always loved his playing but just appreciate him more As Time Goes By.

twonabomber

06-02-2009, 06:31 AM

FORD

06-02-2009, 12:06 PM

Yeah, I thought so. I passed on that disc, because I already had all of those so called "Rarities". Probably the first time I didn't buy a Stones album the day it was released.

Mr Walker

06-02-2009, 12:12 PM

Stones were at their best when raunchy

Top 5 raunchy

1. Hey Negrita
2. Let It Bleed
3. Can't You Hear Me Knocking
4. Stray Cat Blues
5. Star Star

Cocksucker Blues really doesn't count because it was Jagger solo.

I'd add about half the Some Girls album to that list, especially the title track.

I'd also add another "really doesn't count" with 'Memo From Turner'... not the Metamorphosis version, but the one that appears on the London Years Singles Collection.

Great thread Ford... wish I had access to youtube at work :(

Terry

06-02-2009, 08:29 PM

twonabomber

06-02-2009, 08:55 PM

some of the tracks on 40 Licks were licensed by Abkco, so there has been some cooperation.

the last round of Abkco remasters were pretty good, they included a SACD version on the same disc.

FORD

06-02-2009, 09:00 PM

It may be difficult to get a true career-spanning box set for the Stones, as the rights to the pre-Sticky Fingers material are held apart from everything released post-1970; the CBS and Virgin deals the band signed in the 1980s and 1990s didn't include the rights to that earlier material...only the stuff released on the Rolling Stones record label (Sticky Fingers and beyond) was transferred in those deals...at least that's the story I heard.

Well.... ABKCO and Virgin managed to cut a deal for the 40 Licks compilation back in 2002, and I expect they had already been working together when the end product was supposed to be a box set. And that hurdle should be even easier to clear now, since ABKCO is now also distributed by Universal, whom the Stones apparently have now signed with.

So for the first time ever, their entire catalog is under control of one corporation, at least in the US. Not sure about the worldwide distribution. Though Allen Klein will no doubt still be a royal dickhead about the publishing on the early stuff.

ODShowtime

06-04-2009, 07:45 AM

Since then, the Stones have made one studio album, two live DVD box sets, one movie (and the resulting DVD & Soundtrack CD) and have toured quite a bit.

yeah I'm so glad I can buy 4 disc box sets of the last two tours and don't have to waste my money on the Stones 1972 Masterpiece "Ladies and Gentlemen the Rolling Stones".

WHY THE FUCK ISN'T THIS RELEASED? IF KLEIN's IN THE WAY, KILL HIM LIKE YA'LL DID TO JONES!!!

RELEASE IT GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

At least I have a pretty good remaster of it on DVD. Still :fufu:

binnie

06-04-2009, 08:20 AM

Dude, I can't thank you enough for these 'tubes. I've been listening to them off and on all day.

I second that

FORD

06-04-2009, 12:36 PM

Going way back to the early days...... a tribute to Bo Diddley.....

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FORD

06-04-2009, 12:48 PM

Written in 1970.....originally recorded here in 1972.....vocals eventually overdubbed and officially released in 1981......

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FORD

06-04-2009, 12:51 PM

Some Girls .... as Mick intended it......

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FORD

06-04-2009, 12:59 PM

FORD

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FORD

06-04-2009, 01:08 PM

Brown Sugar version III. Pretty much the "official" version with some additional Mick Taylor added. Which they should have left in........

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FORD

06-04-2009, 01:17 PM

More drunken country nonsense from the Some Girls sessions.....

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FORD

06-04-2009, 01:22 PM

If you can't figure out why this one didn't get released..... well you're deaf :biggrin:

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Mr Walker

06-04-2009, 01:41 PM

Biggest Bang is coming out on blu-ray... still no sign of "ladies & Gentlemen..." :(

twonabomber

06-04-2009, 08:45 PM

i would like to see At The Max in HD. maybe Let's Spend the Night Together too.

Mr Walker

06-04-2009, 10:07 PM

maybe Let's Spend the Night Together too.

I've seen it on PalladiaHD, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it show up on BD one day in the near future.

twonabomber

06-04-2009, 10:44 PM

Biggest Bang is coming out on blu-ray...

Amazon is showing that it's only the Austin show and the documentary, no Copacabana Beach show. hopefully that's wrong.

ODShowtime

06-05-2009, 06:42 PM

I think I'm gonna watch Ladies and Gentlemen tonight actually.

This movie is just the quintessential Stones. Flying by the seat of their pants, drunk, high, mick prancin', keef layin' down riffs, Taylor slangin the blues, horn section getting hot, and charlie holding it down.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KYcnDFS019M/SSNSjruhQbI/AAAAAAAAAS8/feJaEZBGvMk/s400/stones1_l.jpg

chefcraig

06-05-2009, 07:35 PM

I think I'm gonna watch Ladies and Gentlemen tonight actually.

This movie is just the quintessential Stones. Flying by the seat of their pants, drunk, high, mick prancin', keef layin' down riffs, Taylor slangin the blues, horn section getting hot, and charlie holding it down.

Cool! Where did you locate a copy? The only ones I've found are region 2 DVDs, so they will not play on my machine. :duh:

FORD

06-05-2009, 07:55 PM

Cool! Where did you locate a copy? The only ones I've found are region 2 DVDs, so they will not play on my machine. :duh:

You could always burn a "region free" version with dvdshrink (http://www.dvdshrink.org/)

ODShowtime

06-05-2009, 08:23 PM

Cool! Where did you locate a copy? The only ones I've found are region 2 DVDs, so they will not play on my machine. :duh:

holy shit, I'm glad you asked! I looked for you and just last month someone seeded an upgrade. And my copy already ROCKS. The sound is incredible. I can't wait to get this!

The Traders' Den (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73034&highlight=rolling+stones+ladies)

The Rolling Stones

Ladies and Gentlemen

Texas 1972

Genuine Masters GM-RS-LG1972-DVD-01

Video:

NTSC
Pro shot
16:9
720:480

Audio:

1) LPCM
2) Dolby Digital 2.0

01 - Brown Sugar
02 - Bitch
03 - Gimme Shelter
04 - Dead Flowers
05 - Happy
06 - Tumblin' Dice
07 - Love in Vain
08 - Sweet Virginia
09 - You Can't Always Get What You Want
10 - All Down The Line
11 - Midnight Rambler
12 - Bye Bye Johnny
13 - Rip This Joint
14 - Jumpin' Jack Flash
15 - Street Fightin' Man

IMO, this is the best version available of this show. This is an upgrade to both the 4 Reel and Jointrip versions that are currently on the tracker, most especially in the audio (LPCM) and the fact that this version is true 16:9, unlike the others.

Copy video_ts folder > HD > Traders Den

Uploaded by bbanderic - May 2009

ODShowtime

06-05-2009, 08:25 PM

whoops looks like that got pulled but there are apparently other versions on their tracker

ODShowtime

06-05-2009, 08:34 PM

oh it's good too. The Happy they just burned through is probably the best I've ever heard. I think I have the Jointrip version. It smokes.

FORD

06-05-2009, 11:33 PM

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yah

06-06-2009, 04:43 AM

Great stuff, thanks for all the clips.
Always one of my top bands

chefcraig

06-06-2009, 06:48 PM

holy shit, I'm glad you asked! I looked for you and just last month someone seeded an upgrade. And my copy already ROCKS. The sound is incredible. I can't wait to get this!

It never even occurred to me to go this route. Thanks for the info. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-003.gif

FORD

07-02-2009, 02:02 AM

FORD

07-02-2009, 02:06 AM

FORD

07-02-2009, 02:09 AM

FORD

07-02-2009, 02:28 AM

This is a rough mix of "Miss You". Pretty much all the guitar and vocals are in place here. Just missing the sax and harp overdubs, but I haven't found version IV - the actual master take - online yet. It actually runs about 9 1/2 minutes.

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FORD

07-02-2009, 02:37 AM

Always liked this version of "Neighbours" better (despite the poor sound quality)

More guitars, no saxophone in the way. Though Charlie could be a little louder in the mix.

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FORD

07-02-2009, 02:38 AM

FORD

07-02-2009, 02:49 AM

FORD

07-02-2009, 02:59 AM

FORD

07-02-2009, 03:24 AM

This one really doesn't fit the category of the stuff I've been posting here, and I usually hate attempts to update old songs to "hip hop" beats, but this actually works, oddly enough.

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FORD

07-02-2009, 03:36 AM

Keith channels his inner Merle Haggard while awaiting trial in Toronto.....

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FORD

07-03-2009, 02:09 AM

Memphis, June 1978

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FORD

07-03-2009, 02:27 AM

Chicago 1981.... the Stones step out of the stadium and into the Checkerboard Lounge to jam with their hero, Muddy Waters.....

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FORD

07-03-2009, 11:51 PM

FORD

07-04-2009, 02:35 PM

About time for another Brussels 73 track, I think. Best performance of Tumbling Dice I ever heard. God bless Mick Taylor!

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Alex Mogilny

07-06-2009, 01:48 PM

Ya Ya's is scheduled for a deluxe release treatment in November of 2009:

GET YER YA YA’S OUT 40th ANNIVERSARY EDITION November (tbc)
40th Anniversary special edition multi format release – including the entire concert for the first time ever (incl. support acts B.B. King + Ike & Tina Turner), 5 unreleased tracks as an extra EP and a DVD with never before seen footage & extras.

Also the Stones are apparently working on a Deluxe edition of Exile. I hope they put a live concert as disc 2 (Brussels Affair anyone?).

FORD

07-06-2009, 09:37 PM

I hope Jody Klein had a firm commitment to that project before his old man died, or it could get backburnered due to "legal complications". Actually I seem to remember an "expanded" Ya-Yas being part of the original plan for the ABKCO 2002 remaster project, but that slipped under the radar just like the box set did.

And maybe if Jody is a more reasonable businessman than his father (and the additional bonus of the entire Stones catalog being under one roof for the first time in history, as far as corporate distribution goes) we'll finally get that box set after all?

FORD

07-19-2009, 12:20 AM

No Rolling Stones collection would be complete without a few songs from Keith & Woody's New Barbarians tour of 1979.......

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FORD

07-19-2009, 12:23 AM

FORD

07-19-2009, 12:25 AM

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07-19-2009, 12:26 AM

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07-19-2009, 12:27 AM

Mr Walker

07-28-2009, 09:42 AM

Someone posted a very cool lossless 8-Track rip of 'Some Girls' over at demonoid.

FORD

07-28-2009, 07:22 PM

Someone posted a very cool lossless 8-Track rip of 'Some Girls' over at demonoid.

Thanks.... I'd never heard that version of the album before.

And now that I have..... I gotta wonder what the Hell they were thinking with those edits.

I'd actually heard that mix of "Miss You" years ago. They should have made that the official album version. Same with that version of "Beast of Burden". I don't think adding an extra minute to each side of the record would have pushed the limit on the vinyl. And in either case, I can't believe Virgin didn't use these versions when they released the remastered "Some Girls" CD in 1994. I'll assume Universal didn't use them either, but I'm boycotting those discs because of the whole "censoring StarFucker" business.

As for the mess they made out of "Shatterred"....... WHY? :(

The Elfoid_TFS

07-30-2009, 05:05 PM

I believe the re-issues are the result of a recent label shuffle for the band.

I would say proper digital remasters aren't a bad thing. Definitely a step-up from the 1986 releases. Were the 1994 releases a digital master or not? Remastering had started then but wasn't huge yet.

diamondD

07-30-2009, 08:11 PM

Thanks.... I'd never heard that version of the album before.

And now that I have..... I gotta wonder what the Hell they were thinking with those edits.

I'd actually heard that mix of "Miss You" years ago. They should have made that the official album version. Same with that version of "Beast of Burden". I don't think adding an extra minute to each side of the record would have pushed the limit on the vinyl. And in either case, I can't believe Virgin didn't use these versions when they released the remastered "Some Girls" CD in 1994. I'll assume Universal didn't use them either, but I'm boycotting those discs because of the whole "censoring StarFucker" business.

As for the mess they made out of "Shatterred"....... WHY? :(

Is that version of Miss You the one where talks about how girls will just come and go, they're just like streetcars? I prefer that version to the original anyday.

Classic thread FORD! Thanks for the rarities.

twonabomber

07-30-2009, 09:07 PM

I believe the re-issues are the result of a recent label shuffle for the band.

we said that on the first page of the thread. :D

I would say proper digital remasters aren't a bad thing. Definitely a step-up from the 1986 releases. Were the 1994 releases a digital master or not? Remastering had started then but wasn't huge yet.

the '86 (CBS) remasters were meh. i don't mind the Virgin ones, i think they said digitally remastered...i have all my cases in storage and can't look.

i really don't have any need for the Universal versions, but i need to finish my collection of the ABKCO dual discs.

ODShowtime

07-31-2009, 07:13 AM

FORD

12-18-2009, 11:47 PM

Kicking this up in honor of Keith's birthday........

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FORD

12-18-2009, 11:50 PM