How about a post that isn't useless drivel?

[Blackflag]

If you can tear yourself away from the fascinating story about Obama's daughter...try this one on for size.

"The federal deficit has topped $1 trillion for the first time ever and could grow to nearly $2 trillion by this fall, intensifying fears about higher interest rates, inflation and the strength of the dollar."

Budget deficit tops $1 trillion for first time - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Budget-deficit-tops-1-apf-1218779169.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=)

http://ll.vimg.net/imagesoa/cms/images/APNews/Financial-News/20090714/US-Economy-Deficit-f6b9b853-ccd3-4e56-9d3f-bb4159dfa7d1.jpg?width=180&height=210&type=mm&watermark=&detectface=&faceratio=&watermarkloc=


Commentary: Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.

[FORD]

Thanks again, Chimpy! :mad:

[Blackflag]

$1 trillion defecit... who spent the last $727 billion of that?

Bush started the mess, but there's somebody making it worse.

Face reality, pussy.

[LoungeMachine]

$1 trillion defecit... who spent the last $727 billion of that?

Bush started the mess, but there's somebody making it worse.

Face reality, pussy.

So..

If I start a fire, and then YOU come along with your firemen, trucks, and equipment and put it out.....

Who should get blamed for the cost of the FIRE?

Me?

Or YOU who came along with all your labor and equipment costs?

I certainly didnt spend the funds, YOU did. All I did was create the NEED for YOU to come along with your expensive stuff.

:gulp:

Now, I dont agree with all of bullshit "stimulus" spending going on, but to simply look at the spending, without taking into consideration HOW we got here is pretty silly.

[Blackflag]

Perfect analogy.

But, if the fireman comes along and tries to put out the fire by throwing gasoline on it, then who's liable?



Now, I dont agree with all of bullshit "stimulus" spending going on, but to simply look at the spending, without taking into consideration HOW we got here is pretty silly.

The fact is - it doesn't matter "HOW" we got here, other than for posterity or for catharsis. Here we are today. And we have assholes throwing gasoline on a fire. Pointing fingers doesn't change that.

Because giving billions to AIG, or sending troops to Afghanistan, giving out more foreign aid, or setting up a health care plan...none of that helps to put out the fire - they're all gasoline.

[sadaist]

So..

If I start a fire, and then YOU come along with your firemen, trucks, and equipment and put it out.....

Who should get blamed for the cost of the FIRE?

Me?

Or YOU who came along with all your labor and equipment costs?

I certainly didnt spend the funds, YOU did. All I did was create the NEED for YOU to come along with your expensive stuff.

:gulp:

Now, I dont agree with all of bullshit "stimulus" spending going on, but to simply look at the spending, without taking into consideration HOW we got here is pretty silly.


The only problem with the fire analogy between Bush starting it & Obama trying to put it out....Obama is fighting fire with fire and only making the blaze larger.

Although it would have been a great time for some of my "burning Bush" jokes.

[LoungeMachine]

I agree with BF and sada.....

which you know pisses me off.....

I agree, Obama, Inc of Chicago, Ill. 60609 is NOT fighting the fire correctly.

I just hate letting the PYROS who started it off the hook.

knowhatimsayin?

:gulp:

[hideyoursheep]

sending troops to Afghanistan..

What's wrong with that?

[FORD]

What's wrong with that?

Ask the Russians.

Or the Brits.

Or Alexander the Great, and all the other historical military geniuses who got their asses kicked there.

We have no goddamn reason to be there, and at this point, it's as bad if not worse than Iraq to stay there. Fuck this "world police"/Corporate empire bullshit.

[hideyoursheep]

Ask the Russians.

Or the Brits.

Or Alexander the Great, and all the other historical military geniuses who got their asses kicked there.

We have no goddamn reason to be there.

We aren't there for the same reason as the examples you've listed, you know that.

[knuckleboner]

so wait, in the midst of the worst recession since the great depression, you'd rather we cut spending?

interesting theory...

[Seshmeister]

We aren't there for the same reason as the examples you've listed, you know that.

Could you tell me why we are there?

[ELVIS]

To find David Bowie ??

[Seshmeister]

Booooooey?

[ELVIS]

Yes...

[ZahZoo]

Could you tell me why we are there?

See Lounge's firestarter analogy... we're putting that one out with napalm...

[ELVIS]

This is as good a place as any, I guess...

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:elvis:

[ELVIS]

I'm gonna get slammed for this one...

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:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

Somebody put some work into this useless drivel...

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:elvis:

[letsrock]

What's wrong with that?

Everything.
Nothing is being accomplished.
How is it we outed Nazi Germany and Japan at the same time in less than 4 years, who had all sorts of technology and equipment. But we cant get some sand ******s out of the caves in over 8 years.
Something is terribly wrong here.

It doesnt take a genius to figure this out.
Letsrock just did for you.

[letsrock]

Could you tell me why we are there?

He'll do anything to support Chimpy, careful now.

[Seshmeister]

The objectives were as I remember

a) To catch/kill Osama Bin Laden - but if he's not dead he's not in Afghanistan.

b) To destroy Al-Queda because of 9-11 but they aren't in Afghanistan either

So now it's supposedly to get Afghanistan back to the time when women had freedom of expression and so on. Why the fuck would we sacrifice a single life of one of our countrymen to give freedoms to Afghani women even if it was possible? What has that to do with us?

The final irony of course was that there was only ever one regime that ever delivered any freedom of expression in Afghanistan, voting, educated women. The time constantly referred to by the US and UK governments when they wheel out the 1st ladies to speak in defence of the war.

That regime of course was the Najibullah Republic of the 80s and 90s. Unfortunately it was destroyed by the mujihadeen we had armed and trained and who then became the Taliban.

D'oh!

[ELVIS]

a) To catch/kill Osama Bin Laden Afghanistan.

D'oh!

No no no no...David Bowie!

[Nickdfresh]

$1 trillion defecit... who spent the last $727 billion of that?

Bush started the mess, but there's somebody making it worse.

Face reality, pussy.

What is your basis for this statistic?

[Blackflag]

What's wrong with that?

It doesn't matter if it's good or bad - there's just no money for this shit.

[Blackflag]

What is your basis for this statistic?

Well, that's an easy question, because every measure says the economy is headed downward...unemployment up, inflation up, interest rates low, money supply up, tax revenues down, deficit up...and statements from China saying they"re tired of loaning the U.S. money.

So is there really a debate about what increased government spending is going to do to the economy? Especially when it's being spent on things that aren't helping - like I listed above?

Shit.

[hideyoursheep]

The objectives were as I remember

a) To catch/kill Osama Bin Laden - but if he's not dead he's not in Afghanistan. To catch/ kill Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, or anyone who supports or defends them.



b) To destroy Al-Queda because of 9-11 but they aren't in Afghanistan either
That's why I wholeheartedly agree with pushing into whatever corner of Pakistan they are hiding in. Fuck the Paki's- if they don't want to help, we'll help ourselves. As far as I'm concerned that type of apathy towards helping eliminate Al Qaeda inside it's own sovereign border is NO DIFFERENT than the Taliban protecting or refusing to allow the capture of AQ. They don't deserve any sovereignty recognition as long as AQ is there and they do nothing.

Everyone knows (at least I hope so) what the mujahideen mutated into and why. Although I'm not sure you do, as you conveniently left that out.

And why in the fuck would some UK judge have a problem with unmanned drones carring bombs? As if a manned F-16 would be any different..:rolleyes:

Other than of course, not risking the life of a pilot.

[hideyoursheep]

Everything.
Nothing is being accomplished.
How is it we outed Nazi Germany and Japan....

You're already an idiot...less than 2 sentences in.

[hideyoursheep]

It doesn't matter if it's good or bad - there's just no money for this shit.

And at what point did we run out of money, shit-for-brains?

NOW the US shouldn't have the WILL to serve justice for 9-11 because some other shit-for-brains wasted money looking for WMD's somewhere else?

You're an idiot. Sit next to Lickscock and STFU.:fufu:

[Blackflag]

And at what point did we run out of money, shit-for-brains?

Look at the graph above, dickhead. It was right around 2002.



NOW the US shouldn't have the WILL to serve justice for 9-11 because some other shit-for-brains wasted money looking for WMD's somewhere else?


Isn't this what Bin Laden rambled on about in his shitty fucking videos a few years ago? His end game was to tear down the U.S. economy and bankrupt itself.



You're an idiot. Sit next to Lickscock and STFU.:fufu:

You're one of those gung-ho douchebags who thinks there's always enough money sitting around to blow up the "bad guys" and play world police. Grow up, chicken hawk.

[hideyoursheep]

Look at the graph above, dickhead. It was right around 2002.. No shiat? Thanx for reaffirming my point.




Isn't this what Bin Laden rambled on about in his shitty fucking videos a few years ago? His end game was to tear down the U.S. economy and bankrupt itself.. Little did he know that Bush would do this on his own, while NOT looking for OBL. WHo gives a fuck about what OBL puts in his goddam videos? He also says he's doing the work of Allah in his home movies. So we give up, right? We can spend the money rebuilding everything this motherfucker decides to blow up every 3 weeks instead, right? :rolleyes:

Think, McFly..




You're one of those gung-ho douchebags who thinks there's always enough money sitting around to blow up the "bad guys" and play world police. Grow up, chicken hawk.
Chicken hawK?

Go fuck yourself, tootsie.

How much money I THINK is sitting around is irrelevant. You DON'T allow a ragtag bunch of religious terrorists dictate the tempo of combat operations simply because the tax table and loopholes used to fund national defense have been so lop-sided for nearly a decade that you as a taxpayer have decided that you're not willing to PAY for it when you finally decide to look at the GODDAM BILL!!! Your phoney concern for out of control spending and waste doesn't mean SHIT now.

I hope Obama takes HALF of your fucking money every week to pay for it! It's the ONLY fucking thing you'll have EVER done for the country you park your sorry carcass in!

Someone brought up a good point somewhere in here...the US has almost ALWAYS been in debt. And In the history of the entire civilized world there has NEVER been a tax break during a time of war. Never. Until GWB comes along. But you never even KNEW we were at war, because 1) you never sacrificed a fucking thing. You were never asked to wear a uniform.
2) You didn't have to worry about PAYING for it.

But now with all this talk about government spending, bailouts, etc, which have been only a fraction of what's been spent IN AFGHANISTAN THE PAST 8 YEARS, you've decided you want to gut this too, simply because it costs MONEY, nevermind the innocen lives and the lives of those who are still fighting to this day, this very second, going through hell for you.

FUCK YOU

:mad2::finger33::mad0248:

:handjob:

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Someone brought up a good point somewhere in here...the US has almost ALWAYS been in debt.

I overlooked the "almost" part, I was gonna chime in that during parts of the Clinton administration, we were in a surplus rather than a deficit....

[Blackflag]

You DON'T allow a ragtag bunch of religious terrorists dictate the tempo of combat operations simply because the tax table and loopholes used to fund national defense have been so lop-sided for nearly a decade that you as a taxpayer have decided that you're not willing to PAY for it when you finally decide to look at the GODDAM BILL!!! Your phoney concern for out of control spending and waste doesn't mean SHIT now.

Thanks for proving my point, you chicken hawk mother fucker. I think I heard that same rant from Paul Wolfowitz.

[hideyoursheep]

I think I heard that same rant from Paul Wolfowitz.No you didn't, you fucking liar. You heard him say that the oil in Iraq would cover the cost of the invasion of Iraq.
That makes him about as well thought-out as you, cunt!


Thanks for proving my point, you chicken hawk mother fucker.

One more time for the learning impaired:


But now with all this talk about government spending, bailouts, etc, which have been only a fraction of what's been spent IN AFGHANISTAN THE PAST 8 YEARS, you've decided you want to gut this too, simply because it costs MONEY, nevermind the innocent lives and the lives of those who are still fighting to this day, this very second, going through hell for you.

Thanks for proving MY point, you chicken SHIT motherfucker!:fufu:



And the winner of the Irony Award goes to....


***opens envelope**


BlackFlag, for her thread entitled; "How about a post that isn't useless drivel'?


Step up and accept your award, twatmuscle...































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[FORD]

No no no no...David Bowie!

You're blaming Bowie for 9-11 now? :confused12:

Can you hear me, Major Elvis??

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[Nickdfresh]

Thanks for proving my point, you chicken hawk mother fucker. I think I heard that same rant from Paul Wolfowitz.

Paul Wolfowitz gave fuckall about Afghanistan, and his like-minded stooges are responsible for hoarding US military resources for their pet-project invasion of Iraq using 9/11 as a pretext...

Get your facts straight...

[Blackflag]

You're missing the point, my simple-minded friend. I'm not debating whether it's good, valid, or just. I'm saying the country can't afford it right now. We're walking down the path to bankruptcy. Are you familiar with the phrase 'cut off your nose despite your face?'



And for the record:

"You pursue terrorists after they've done things and bring them to justice, and to the extent states are perhaps involved, you retaliate against them but you don't really expect to get them out of the business of supporting terrorism completely.

To me what September 11th meant was that we just couldn't live with terrorism any longer.

Throughout the '80s and '90s it was sort of, I've never found quite the right words because necessary evil doesn't describe it, but a sort of an evil that you could manage but you couldn't eliminate. And I think what September 11th to me said was this is just the beginning of what these bastards can do if they start getting access to so-called modern weapons, and that it's not something you can live with any longer. So there needs to be a campaign, a strategy, a long-term effort, to root out these networks and to get governments out of the business of supporting them. But that wasn't something that was going to happen overnight.
"
DefenseLink News Transcript: Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Interview with Sam Tannenhaus, Vanity Fair (http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=2594)

Who does that sound like? You?

Sorry for the delay responding, I was busy singing the national anthem and saluting the flag.

You chicken hawk mother fucker.

[hideyoursheep]

You were jerking yourself off, and attempting to do the same to us. Nothing more.
Did you finish yet?

Cock tickler.

We're done.

[GAR]

I agree with BF and sada.....

which you know pisses me off.....

I agree, Obama, Inc of Chicago, Ill. 60609 is NOT fighting the fire correctly.

I just hate letting the PYROS who started it off the hook.

knowhatimsayin?

:gulp:

I don't hate saying "told you so" back at DDLR.

You Dumbocrats are FUCKED UP people, man!

Will you vote Independant now and split these parties? This is all bullshit representation -neither party give a fuck about us and then we have to pay the FUCKING toll.

Fuck tolls. Fuck taxes, I don't didn't never did want ANY of this shit!

If the banking system and the stock system were re-regulated I could gain an interest in a)stimuli-this and b) bailout-that, but it's economics that make up business but popularity that make up politics and seldom do the two meet in the middle without someone getting hurt.

I told you guys on DDLR they'd start printing money to pay for all this extra government and extra welfare and extra bailout bullshit and all I got was "you're a racist."

I am so happy your sites' fucking soaking it up at the bottom of your host's pay toilet cuz it serves you guys rightly for being DICKS to me when my opinion was unpopular but one of the few cautionary ones. No all I got for it was "your a fucking racist."

Obama doesnt' give a shit about being right or wrong, it's about accepting power for control from Pelosi and Hillary's DNC FOB'ers

[FORD]

Speaking of "useless drivel"....... guess the Library let him back in. :(

[Blackflag]

So now it's supposedly to get Afghanistan back to the time when women had freedom of expression and so on. Why the fuck would we sacrifice a single life of one of our countrymen to give freedoms to Afghani women even if it was possible? What has that to do with us?

I like that answer.

The other thing I love is invading Afghanistan to get a group that everybody thinks is in Pakistan. Brilliant!

[Nickdfresh]

I like that answer.

The other thing I love is invading Afghanistan to get a group that everybody thinks is in Pakistan. Brilliant!

Right. Of course, I could also post articles confirming that al Qaida, or whatever really constitutes it, is under extreme pressure and unable to conduct any serious planning as the result of the disruption of Predator strikes and various special operations going on, largely coordinated from Afghanistan.

I could also point out that the US, under the Obama Admin., has finally pressured the Pakistani military and gov't to crack down on their own militants and they are finally actually attempting to assert their control over large swaths of lawless tracts of their own country --instead of worrying about controlling Indian Kashmir-- largely based on threats of direct large scale US military intervention...

I could also point out that even in Iraq, the US military does have a very mixed track record overall, but sort of redeemed itself with the "Sunni Awakening" largely planned by the "dissenters" who originally opposed the Iraq War that Bush was forced to let take over after he failed and the American people threw the Republicans out of Congress at the end of 2006. When the US/NATO focuses on pure counterinsurgency, they can in fact isolate the terrorists on a limited budget and the ideology of al Qaida is completely self-defeating in its emphasis and philosophy of mass-uprising via hyper-violence and sadism only alienates everybody...

I might also point out that while fighting wars and terrorism is expensive, not doing so is even more expensive as the collapse of the World Trade Centers was traumatic on the US economy and the beginning of the current economic turmoil...

[Nickdfresh]

The objectives were as I remember

a) To catch/kill Osama Bin Laden - but if he's not dead he's not in Afghanistan.

b) To destroy Al-Queda because of 9-11 but they aren't in Afghanistan either

So now it's supposedly to get Afghanistan back to the time when women had freedom of expression and so on. Why the fuck would we sacrifice a single life of one of our countrymen to give freedoms to Afghani women even if it was possible? What has that to do with us?

The final irony of course was that there was only ever one regime that ever delivered any freedom of expression in Afghanistan, voting, educated women. The time constantly referred to by the US and UK governments when they wheel out the 1st ladies to speak in defence of the war.

That regime of course was the Najibullah Republic of the 80s and 90s. Unfortunately it was destroyed by the mujihadeen we had armed and trained and who then became the Taliban.

D'oh!

Um, the "Najibullah Republic" of cunt Stalinists and Soviet puppets also went along with wholesale massacres of rural districts it could not control, and put bombs in toys to blow the fucking hands off children so they couldn't fire an AK. They also lasted far longer than the prediction of complete collapse in months after the Soviets left in 1989, largely because of the ensuing civil war meltdown of insurgent groups....

The problems here are that the Reagan Administration fucked up and allowed the Saudis and the Pakis to funnel monies to the most extreme, religious elements of the "Mujaheddin," and in fact it was a large, disparate movement that began as largely secular and pro-Western as had been the previous Afghan govts. Indeed, the whole problem here is not that the US and Europe supported the Mujaheddin, it is that both failed to give a shit about Afghanistan the minute the Red Army left. That's why we need to give a shit now.

If NATO leaves another festering fuck-pool of backward extremism, than there is nothing left to stop another base of extremism and terror from reforming...

And oh yes, Sesh. There's also the matter of Afghanistan being the new Iron Triangle of drugs with a direct access of heroin trade routes to Europe. But those will be your kids ODing, not ours...

[hideyoursheep]

http://gamgea.com/wp-content/uploads/baby-crying.jpg





:poke:

What's the title of this thread again?

[Seshmeister]

And oh yes, Sesh. There's also the matter of Afghanistan being the new Iron Triangle of drugs with a direct access of heroin trade routes to Europe. But those will be your kids ODing, not ours...

If it's about that we need to get the Taliban back in charge as soon as possible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/afghan_opium_gr432.gif

[Nickdfresh]

If it's about that we need to get the Taliban back in charge as soon as possible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/afghan_opium_gr432.gif

The Taliban now provide security for the drugs. They dropped in 2001 was largely the result of threats from Iran of full scale invasion...

[ZahZoo]

I've had it with the blame game... we got here for many reasons and it wasn't one side, person or entity that didn't have a hand in it. Move on...

If a movement or common mode of thought could be invoked at this time... I'd love to see simple common-sense management applied to solving many of the issues we face.

Like in business... you either deliver sustained positive results or your gone. I think it's time we applied that to Washington... top to bottom.

[Blackflag]

I've had it with the blame game... we got here for many reasons and it wasn't one side, person or entity that didn't have a hand in it. Move on...

If a movement or common mode of thought could be invoked at this time... I'd love to see simple common-sense management applied to solving many of the issues we face.

Like in business... you either deliver sustained positive results or your gone. I think it's time we applied that to Washington... top to bottom.

Word.