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  • Big Train
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    • Apr 2004
    • 4011

    So is he racist?

    Obama Joker artist unmasked: A fellow Chicagoan | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

    When cryptic posters portraying President Obama as the Joker from "Batman" began popping up around Los Angeles and other cities, the question many asked was, Who is behind the image?

    Was it an ultra-conservative grassroots group or a disgruntled street artist going against the grain?

    Nope, it turns out, just a 20-year-old college student from Chicago.

    Bored during his winter school break, Firas Alkhateeb, a senior history major at the University of Illinois, crafted the picture of Obama with the recognizable clown makeup using Adobe's Photoshop software.

    Alkhateeb had been tinkering with the program to improve the looks of photos he had taken on his clunky Kodak camera. The Joker project was his grandest undertaking yet. Using a tutorial he'd found online about how to "Jokerize" portraits, he downloaded the October 23 Time Magazine cover of Obama and began digitally painting over it.

    Four or five hours later, he happily had his product.

    On Jan. 18, Alkhateeb uploaded the image to photo-sharing site Flickr. Over the next two months, he amassed just a couple thousand hits, he said.

    Then the counter exploded after a still-anonymous rogue famously found his image, digitally removed the references to Time Magazine, captioned the picture with the word "socialism" and hung printed copies around L.A., making headlines.

    Alkhateeb's original Flickr page surpassed 20,000 views. The Times found his Flickr site last week thanks to a tip left by a loyal reader of The Ticket. By Friday, the page had been taken down.

    On Alkhateeb's page, a manipulated image condemning fellow Chicagoan and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (captioned "epic fail") was mixed in with parodies of the "Guitar Hero" game franchises -- dubbed Quran Hero -- and of Napoleon riding a motorcycle (pictured after the jump).

    Flickr had removed the Joker image due to copyright-infringement concerns, Alkhateeb says the company told him in an e-mail. A Flickr spokeswoman declined to comment due to a company policy that bars discussing inquiries about individual users.

    Alkhateeb says he wasn't actively trying to cover his tracks, but he did want to lay low. He initially had concerns about ...

    ... connecting his name with anything critical of the president -- especially living in Chicago, where people are "very, very liberal," he said.

    "After Obama was elected, you had all of these people who basically saw him as the second coming of Christ," Alkhateeb said. "From my perspective, there wasn't much substance to him."

    "I abstained from voting in November," he wrote in an e-mail. "Living in Illinois, my vote means close to nothing as there was no chance Obama would not win the state." If he had to choose a politician to support, Alkhateeb said, it would be Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

    Possibly becoming a villain in his home city wasn't his only worry. Time's cover and the Joker obviously aren't Alkhateeb's copyrights to fool around with.

    Concerned about a lawsuit, Alkhateeb, an unnamed superstar whose nationally recognized artwork had stunned friends and family, was relieved that the situation had floated for months without any major news organizations discovering that he was the man behind the paint.

    After we contacted him, he hesitantly agreed to an interview.

    If it's any consolation, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit organization that defends digital rights, says Alkhateeb has a strong fair-use defense if Time or DC Comics decides to take him to court -- that is if one even does file a lawsuit.

    "You really want to think twice about going after a political commenter," said Corynne McSherry, a senior staff attorney at the EFF. In Time's case, "a news organization probably doesn't want to be in the situation of pursuing political criticism."

    Perhaps the strongest case for anyone, McSherry said, is for Alkhateeb to claim money derived from people selling T-shirts with his picture. Is it worth pursuing? "It would be nice, but it's not that big of a deal," Alkhateeb said.

    Although Alkhateeb claims he was making no political statement with the artwork, he's plugged into the Washington debate. Though born in the United States, his Palestinian family closely follows Middle Eastern politics.

    "I think he's definitely doing better than Bush was," Alkhateeb said of Obama. Alkhateeb's views on foreign relations align with the Democrats, he said, while he prefers Republican ideals on domestic issues.

    Alkhateeb's assessment of Obama: "In terms of domestic policy, I don't think he's really doing much good for the country right now," he said. "We don't have to 'hero worship' the guy."

    Someday, Alkhateeb hopes to be a history teacher and high school football coach. He won't be pursuing a full-time career in art, but he'll continue playing with Photoshop on the side. He's honored by Shepard Fairey's assessment of his Joker picture, but disagrees with some of Fairey's comments criticizing the message of the Socialism poster.

    "He made a picture of Bush as a vampire," Alkhateeb said about Fairey. "That's kind of speaking with two faces."

    Regardless, Alkhateeb does agree with the Obama "Hope" artist about "socialism" being the wrong caption for the Joker image. "It really doesn't make any sense to me at all," he said. "To accuse him of being a socialist is really ... immature. First of all, who said being a socialist is evil?"


    -- Mark Milian
  • jhale667
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 20929

    #2
    Racist? No.

    Douchebag? Probably.
    Originally posted by conmee
    If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

    That is all.

    Icon.
    Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
    I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


    Originally posted by Isaac R.
    Then it's really true??:eek:

    The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

    OMFG...who in their right mind...???
    Originally posted by eddie78
    I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49125

      #3
      Um, WTF are you talking about and what is your point?

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      • LoungeMachine
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        • Jul 2004
        • 32555

        #4
        How the FUCK could racism be brought into the discussion of that pic??????



        That's a stretch
        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58755

          #5
          The irony here is that this guy, who is clearly to the left of Obama, created this poster and then the right wing Freeper jackasses ran with it. (adding the ridiculous "socialism" crap to it. As if anything Obama has done so far was remotely "socialist"?? )
          Eat Us And Smile

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          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • Guitar Shark
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7576

            #6
            Were people claiming that the Joker image of Obama was racist? That seems like a stretch.
            ROTH ARMY MILITIA


            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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            • Big Train
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              • Apr 2004
              • 4011

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              Um, WTF are you talking about and what is your point?
              Well, let's review a national news story for you. The image this young man created was branded as racist by some liberals and especially the LA Weekly. Now that he has spoken for himself, do you or do you not believe the image to be racist.

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              • Guitar Shark
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Jan 2004
                • 7576

                #8
                Originally posted by Big Train
                Well, let's review a national news story for you. The image this young man created was branded as racist by some liberals and especially the LA Weekly.
                If that is true, I would probably disagree. Link?
                ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                • Big Train
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                  • Apr 2004
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                  #9
                  Los Angeles - LA Daily - Obama 'Joker' Poster: It's All About Race

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49125

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Big Train
                    Well, let's review a national news story for you. The image this young man created was branded as racist by some liberals and especially the LA Weekly. Now that he has spoken for himself, do you or do you not believe the image to be racist.
                    Why the fuck would I care about what "some liberals (in) the LA Weekly" think?

                    I don't know if he's a racist, but since I can't say he's ever burned a cross on his own lawn in order to scare himself out of town, I'll give him the benefit of doubt that he isn't a racist....

                    BTW, I've never even seen the original image. So I think this thread is emblematic of a lot wrong with things today - people seeking to get their opinions from somewhere because they don't know how to think for themselves. Or creating false debates on nothing arguments...

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                    • Big Train
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                      • Apr 2004
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                      #11
                      Why the fuck does anyone care about what liberals in Buffalo think? It was a big topic in other parts of the country.

                      So it's not a valid topic of discussion?

                      I'm merely asking what the others thought of the image and whether they thought the image and/or the artist is racist to them.

                      If you've never seen the original image or are not remotely aware of the story, you might want to check into it before you start commenting about what is and isn't valid.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49125

                        #12


                        Incidently, I actually like the work and think it's more Andy Warhol-ish more than anything...

                        But of course interweb dolts have appropriated it for their own agenda of fundamental ignorance of basic political and economic philosophy...

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49125

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Big Train
                          Why the fuck does anyone care about what liberals in Buffalo think?...
                          Apparently you do. Because you just asked me...

                          So it's not a valid topic of discussion?
                          I dunno. I think it's just a useless topic of discussion...

                          I'm merely asking what the others thought of the image and whether they thought the image and/or the artist is racist to them.

                          If you've never seen the original image or are not remotely aware of the story, you might want to check into it before you start commenting about what is and isn't valid.
                          And this all based on a single op-ed from a third-rate periodical?

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                          • jhale667
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 20929

                            #14
                            I think the fact that the "Socialism" (which is retarded) logo is now people like Schultz and Maddvibe's avatars speaks volumes....just sayin'...
                            Originally posted by conmee
                            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                            That is all.

                            Icon.
                            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                            Originally posted by Isaac R.
                            Then it's really true??:eek:

                            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                            Originally posted by eddie78
                            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                            • Big Train
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                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4011

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Apparently you do. Because you just asked me...

                              Exactly, just wanted you to hear how dumb your statement sounded.

                              I dunno. I think it's just a useless topic of discussion...

                              So why bother commenting on it?

                              And this all based on a single op-ed from a third-rate periodical?
                              No, this op-ed is what started the rest of the furor, thought it would be best to go to the source. Although I agree, the LA Weekly is a rag.

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