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  • Big Train
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    • Apr 2004
    • 4013

    Obama could run the FrontLine

    Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET News

    Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

    They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.



    The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

    "I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

    Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.

    A spokesman for Rockefeller also declined to comment on the record Thursday, saying that many people were unavailable because of the summer recess. A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001. The source said that one primary concern was the electrical grid, and what would happen if it were attacked from a broadband connection.

    When Rockefeller, the chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) introduced the original bill in April, they claimed it was vital to protect national cybersecurity. "We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs--from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records," Rockefeller said.

    The Rockefeller proposal plays out against a broader concern in Washington, D.C., about the government's role in cybersecurity. In May, President Obama acknowledged that the government is "not as prepared" as it should be to respond to disruptions and announced that a new cybersecurity coordinator position would be created inside the White House staff. Three months later, that post remains empty, one top cybersecurity aide has quit, and some wags have begun to wonder why a government that receives failing marks on cybersecurity should be trusted to instruct the private sector what to do.

    Rockefeller's revised legislation seeks to reshuffle the way the federal government addresses the topic. It requires a "cybersecurity workforce plan" from every federal agency, a "dashboard" pilot project, measurements of hiring effectiveness, and the implementation of a "comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy" in six months--even though its mandatory legal review will take a year to complete.

    The privacy implications of sweeping changes implemented before the legal review is finished worry Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "As soon as you're saying that the federal government is going to be exercising this kind of power over private networks, it's going to be a really big issue," he says.

    Probably the most controversial language begins in Section 201, which permits the president to "direct the national response to the cyber threat" if necessary for "the national defense and security." The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government. ("Cyber" is defined as anything having to do with the Internet, telecommunications, computers, or computer networks.)

    "The language has changed but it doesn't contain any real additional limits," EFF's Tien says. "It simply switches the more direct and obvious language they had originally to the more ambiguous (version)...The designation of what is a critical infrastructure system or network as far as I can tell has no specific process. There's no provision for any administrative process or review. That's where the problems seem to start. And then you have the amorphous powers that go along with it."

    Translation: If your company is deemed "critical," a new set of regulations kick in involving who you can hire, what information you must disclose, and when the government would exercise control over your computers or network.

    The Internet Security Alliance's Clinton adds that his group is "supportive of increased federal involvement to enhance cyber security, but we believe that the wrong approach, as embodied in this bill as introduced, will be counterproductive both from an national economic and national secuity perspective
  • ULTRAMAN VH
    Commando
    • May 2004
    • 1480

    #2
    Has the word FREEDOM been removed from dictionaries yet.

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32798

      #3
      Look at how angry people are getting over the healthcare debate. That's with a legitimate problem that needs a real solution but people don't trust the govt. to be incharge of it to fix it. I don't care what political alter you bow to, if the govt. starts taking away internet access they will set off a powder keg. It won't fly. This Rockefeller fool would be tared and feathered and force fed 50 gallons of West Virginia moonshine and then lit on fire.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • kwame k
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Feb 2008
        • 11302

        #4
        To a degree Nitro........Look it's already been proven that our electrical grid has been hacked by the Chinese. All major utilities run on an intranet or internet. Protecting those becomes a slippery slope for any Administration. Why? It's a blend of private and public. Government doesn't want to look like it's mandating rules to business because we all know how well that goes over. Watch this program from FrontLine frontline: cyber war!: watch the program online | PBS

        Now I do not want the internet regulated for personal use but in the interest of public safety they have to secure our utilities and other major services that allow our society to function. Does anyone want terrorists to be able to blackout entire cities or electrical grids? Can any of you actually stand behind doing nothing? No President should have the ultimate power to shut down individuals using the internet. Due process and our existing laws should take care of that.

        We need better security on our utilities and other services. How we do that remains to be seen.
        Originally posted by vandeleur
        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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        • Dr. Love
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7832

          #5
          You keep your change, I'll keep my intarwebz!!!
          I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

          http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32798

            #6
            Funny. The world's financial system is online and it seems to run fine. Hackers haven't emptied the bank accounts or messed up portfolios. We seem to trust it with our money as is.

            Cybersecurity currently has worked well enough we trust the internet with all sorts of commerce.

            As far as infastructure like the power grid goes it would be extremely easy to take out. Blow the key substations with the large transformers. There are only a handfull of them and once the large transformers are destroyed, it would be a bitch to move them, rewind them, and replace them. It would take over a year or so since there are only a few companies who make them or repair them. I know. I used to work in that business. If someone really wanted to take the grid down and they had a little organized band to help them. It would happen.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32798

              #7
              The day 9/11 happened I thought what idiots. If they really wanted to hurt us they would have taken our power grid down. Killing people only hurts the people who knew the people who got killed. In a country of 250 million people losing a thousand people or so is no big deal from a strategic standpoint. What's done the most damage is how Bush reacted to 9/11.

              If I was a terrorist and had those resources, the power grid would be my number one target. Take the power away long-term and see how that unravels. It would be much more ugly than some skyscrapers going down.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • standin
                Veteran
                • Apr 2009
                • 2274

                #8
                China Game Boss Sniped Rivals, Took Down Internet

                An attack by a Chinese online game provider meant to cripple the servers of its rivals ballooned to cause an Internet outage in much of the country in May, according to police.

                The escalation began with a DDOS (distributed denial of service) attack on a domain registrar that serves many small gaming companies. While the national scale of the effects was unusual, such attacks are common among some small Internet businesses competing to draw customers in China, security researchers say.

                China Game Boss Sniped Rivals, Took Down Internet by PC World: Yahoo! Tech

                It is bumble-fucks like these morons that is the reason why actual licensed professionals need to be in place to check and protect our public (and private) investments



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                a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

                This is a good and great start. State and local law enforcement is needs to address the issues of their qualifications and licensing also. At the moment any bumble-fuck can hang a shingle out and call them selves computer experts or providers.

                From personal experience, I have been in places where up to 1/3 of a county and a mid-level metro areas was served Internet from the key point including government services. The security was appalling and damn near almost anyone had access to it. That kinda stuff needs to be left behind with the same thoughts of the market will regulate itself. Yea, Mr. Greenspan, right into the ground. You must have accountable people administering, overseeing and prosecuting people that have ill will intentions.
                To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                • standin
                  Veteran
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2274

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  Funny. The world's financial system is online and it seems to run fine. Hackers haven't emptied the bank accounts or messed up portfolios. We seem to trust it with our money as is.

                  Cybersecurity currently has worked well enough we trust the internet with all sorts of commerce.

                  As far as infastructure like the power grid goes it would be extremely easy to take out. Blow the key substations with the large transformers. There are only a handfull of them and once the large transformers are destroyed, it would be a bitch to move them, rewind them, and replace them. It would take over a year or so since there are only a few companies who make them or repair them. I know. I used to work in that business. If someone really wanted to take the grid down and they had a little organized band to help them. It would happen.
                  Businesses Reluctant to Report Online Banking Fraud
                  A confidential alert sent on Friday by a banking industry association to its members warns that Eastern European cyber gangs are stealing millions of dollars from small to mid-sizes businesses through online banking fraud. Unfortunately, many victimized companies are reluctant to come forward out of fear of retribution by their bank.


                  According to the alert, sent by the Financial Services Information Sharing and Analysis Center (FS-ISAC), the victims of this type of fraud tell different stories, but the basic elements are the same: Malicious software planted on a company's Microsoft Windows PC allows the crooks to gain access to the victim's corporate bank account online. The attackers wire chunks of money to unwitting and in some cases knowing accomplices in the United States who then wire the money to the fraudsters overseas.

                  Security Fix - Businesses Reluctant to Report Online Banking Fraud



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                  Cybercrooks increasingly target small business accounts
                  Fraudsters use online credentials to deplete corporate bank accounts, financial group says
                  By Jaikumar Vijayan
                  August 25, 2009 06:25 PM ET

                  Computerworld - An organization representing more than 15,000 financial institutions has issued a warning about a growing wave of attacks against small banks and businesses by cybercriminals using stolen banking credentials to plunder corporate accounts.

                  In an alert to its members earlier this month, NACHA–the Electronics Payments Association said that attackers are increasingly stealing online banking credentials, such as usernames and passwords, from small businesses by using keystroke-logging tools and other malware. The cybercriminals are using the stolen credentials to "raid" and "take over" corporate accounts and initiate unauthorized transfers of funds via electronic payment networks.

                  Cybercrooks increasingly target small business accounts

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                  East European cyber gangs target the banking sector

                  Tuesday, August 25 10:30 am

                  Iain Thomson in San Francisco Buzz Up! Print Story A financial security organisation has sent out an alert to its members about a sharp rise in the number of attacks on the banking sector. Skip related content
                  The warning was sent to members of the Financial Services Information Sharing and Analysis Center, an industry group created to share data about critical threats to the financial sector.

                  "In the past six months, financial institutions, security companies, the media and law enforcement agencies are all reporting a significant increase in funds transfer fraud involving the exploitation of valid banking credentials belonging to small and medium sized businesses," the alert says, according to The Washington Post.

                  The bulk of the attacks are coming from sites in eastern Europe, the report claims, and use money 'mules' to process the funds and send them on to the attackers.

                  The mules are recruited on internet job boards and told that they are processing legitimate payments. They accept the stolen funds and forward on a percentage to other bank accounts controlled by the criminals.

                  "Eastern European organised crime groups are believed to be predominantly responsible for the activities that are employing witting and unwitting accomplices in the US to receive cash and forward payments from thousands to millions of dollars to overseas locations via popular money and wire transfer services," the alert warns.

                  The thieves target the controller of a particular small business with a malware-loaded email which then steals the passwords to the company's bank accounts.

                  East European cyber gangs target the banking sector - Yahoo! News UK
                  To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                  MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                  • standin
                    Veteran
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2274

                    #10
                    FBI Investigating Laptops Sent to US Governors

                    There may be a new type of Trojan Horse attack to worry about.

                    The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation is trying to figure out who sent five Hewlett-Packard laptop computers to West Virginia Governor Joe Mahchin a few weeks ago, with state officials worried that they may contain malicious software.

                    According to sources familiar with the investigation, other states have been targeted too, with HP laptops mysteriously ordered for officials in 10 states. Four of the orders were delivered, while the remaining six were intercepted, according to a source who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

                    FBI Investigating Laptops Sent to US Governors by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
                    To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                    MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                    • Dr. Love
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7832

                      #11
                      I've made posts that warrant being called a jackass WAAAAAAY more than that one.
                      I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                      http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                      • bueno bob
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 22942

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        The day 9/11 happened I thought what idiots. If they really wanted to hurt us they would have taken our power grid down. Killing people only hurts the people who knew the people who got killed. In a country of 250 million people losing a thousand people or so is no big deal from a strategic standpoint. What's done the most damage is how Bush reacted to 9/11.

                        If I was a terrorist and had those resources, the power grid would be my number one target. Take the power away long-term and see how that unravels. It would be much more ugly than some skyscrapers going down.
                        It's WHERE they struck that tells the most. They didn't really give a shit about "hurting" America, it was a strike at corporate greed and fiscal power by the have nots - rebellion against empire. That's really what 9/11 was about.

                        Money.
                        Twistin' by the pool.

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                        • BITEYOASS
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6530

                          #13
                          Let's find the hackers and taze the shit out of em'! That's my detterent!

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