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  • Big Train
    Full Member Status

    • Apr 2004
    • 4013

    Greedy Union Fucks...

    I keep hearing we aren't trying to kill captialism...but, ya know, the record shows something different.

    AFL-CIO, Dems push new Wall Street tax - TheHill.com

    AFL-CIO, Dems push new Wall Street tax
    By Alexander Bolton - 08/30/09 10:17 AM ET
    The nation’s largest labor union and some allied Democrats are pushing a new tax that would hit big investment firms such as Goldman Sachs reaping billions of dollars in profits while the rest of the economy sputters.

    The AFL-CIO, one of the Democratic Party’s most powerful allies, would like to assess a small tax — about a tenth of a percent — on every stock transaction.

    Small and medium-sized investors would hardly notice such a tax, but major trading firms, such as Goldman, which reported $3.44 billion in profits during the second quarter of 2009, may see this as a significant threat to their profits.

    “It would have two benefits, raise a lot of revenue and discourage speculative financial activity,” said Thea Lee, policy director at the AFL-CIO.

    “The big disadvantage of most taxes is that they discourage some really productive activity,” she said. “This would discourage numerous financial transactions. People flip their assets several times in an hour or a day. They make money but does it really add to the productive base of the United States?”

    Lee said that taxing every stock transaction a tenth of a percent could raise between $50 billion and $100 billion per year, which could be used to pay for infrastructure projects and other spending priorities. She said the tax could be applied nationwide or internationally.

    The proposal would hit especially hard those hedge funds and large banks earning hefty profits despite the shaky economy from a practice known as high-frequency trading. High-frequency traders use powerful computers to conduct hundreds of thousands of orders in mere seconds, taking advantage of slower traders.

    Only the biggest investment firms can afford to develop the technology, which delivers handsome profits at little risk. The growing popularity of the practice has contributed to the soaring volume of trades on Wall Street in recent years and, some critics argue, market volatility and rampant speculation.

    High-frequency trading is estimated to earn about $20 billion in profits for the nation’s biggest investment firms, who guard the their practices zealously. Goldman Sachs, for example, has accused a former computer programmer of stealing the valuable code, launching a high-profile legal battle.

    The AFL-CIO and some allied Democrats would like to cut down on the overall level of trading, or at least give the U.S. government a piece of the action, which would likely tamp down trading.

    Democrats and labor officials would also like to take a bite out of Goldman’s profits. Liberals are angry the company, which immersed itself in the frenzy of speculation leading to last year’s financial collapse, is now making huge profits after accepting (and repaying) $10 billion in government aid. Goldman employees are on track to earn an average of more than $700,000 this year.

    There is also a growing realization among Obama administration officials and lawmakers that tax increases may be necessary to curb the ballooning federal deficit.

    The idea of taxing financial transactions has gained some support on Capitol Hill and among senior government officials in London, a major foreign financial center.

    In Congress, Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), chairman of the Highways and Transit Transportation Subcommittee, has seized on the idea as a way to help pay for a new massive surface transportation reauthorization bill, estimated to cost $450 billion over six years.

    Instead of taxing all stock transactions, as the AFL-CIO has contemplated, DeFazio wants to focus on oil-based derivatives.

    At the end of July, shortly before the House broke for the August recess, DeFazio introduced legislation that would impose a 0.2 percent transaction tax on crude oil futures contracts. The legislation would tax the options for oil futures (in other words, the premium paid to have the option to buy a futures contract) at 0.5 percent.

    “The tax is simple; it imposes a small burden that penalizes short-term traders for speculating on the price of oil,” DeFazio said in a statement. “This legislation exempts legitimate hedgers from the transaction tax. Since the tax is on speculation only, it deters speculation and undermines much of the crude oil price bubble.”

    DeFazio estimates his proposal, which has been referred to the House Ways and Means Committee, would raise $190 billion over six years. It has 29 cosponsors.

    An aide to a liberal Senate Democrat said a transaction tax seems like a good idea but did not know who might champion the cause in the upper chamber. An aide on the Senate Finance Committee was not aware of discussion of the proposal.

    Taxing financial transactions has gained some momentum in Europe. Lord Adair Turner, chairman of the Financial Services Authority, Britain’s top banking regulator, voiced support for taxing financial transactions in a recent magazine interview. The French government has endorsed the idea as a way to fund development in poor countries.

    The proposal to tax financial transactions is also known as a “Tobin tax,” after the late American economist and Nobel laureate James Tobin. Tobin proposed a transactions tax in the early 1970s to discourage currency speculation after the collapse of the Bretton Woods fixed-exchange-rate system.
  • sadaist
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jul 2004
    • 11625

    #2
    The word "tax" was used 22 times in that post. Sounds like Democrats to me.
    “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49205

      #3
      So, why would unions be greedy if they want to tax stock transactions? How would they actually make on bank on that?

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      • Big Train
        Full Member Status

        • Apr 2004
        • 4013

        #4
        Originally posted by Big Train
        Lee said that taxing every stock transaction a tenth of a percent could raise between $50 billion and $100 billion per year, which could be used to pay for infrastructure projects and other spending priorities. She said the tax could be applied nationwide or internationally.

        Which of course would fund many, many bona fide, unionized, jobs for the local hacks at the unions. Grease the wheels of democracy dems...

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        • Dr. Love
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7832

          #5
          I'm in favor of it as long as the business doesn't pass it on to the customer.

          I have big issues with an industry that actively participates in the system that fucks over the citizens and then continues making huge profits without any significant reprecussions. I think they need to be regulated, and be made to pay.
          I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

          http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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          • sadaist
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jul 2004
            • 11625

            #6
            Originally posted by Dr. Love
            I'm in favor of it as long as the business doesn't pass it on to the customer.

            Any tax imposed on a business get's passed on to the customer. The only other choice is to lay off employees. It's nice that they don't do that...otherwise we might have an unemployment problem in this country.
            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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            • Dr. Love
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Jan 2004
              • 7832

              #7
              3.44 billion dollars in profits in the 2nd quarter... and their only options are to pass the tax on or lay off employees?
              I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

              http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49205

                #8
                Originally posted by sadaist
                Any tax imposed on a business get's passed on to the customer. The only other choice is to lay off employees. It's nice that they don't do that...otherwise we might have an unemployment problem in this country.

                Not if they're regulated. And how many employees do you think would be laid off?

                Personally, I think there should be a stiff fucking tax on CEO bonuses...

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                • sadaist
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11625

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dr. Love
                  3.44 billion dollars in profits in the 2nd quarter... and their only options are to pass the tax on or lay off employees?
                  I'm not a billionaire CEO, but unfortunately when their costs go up, rather than take the hit themselves they pass it on to us as consumers or employee layoffs.
                  “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49205

                    #10
                    Originally posted by sadaist
                    I'm not a billionaire CEO, but unfortunately when their costs go up, rather than take the hit themselves they pass it on to us as consumers or employee layoffs.

                    Yeah, isn't deregulation great?

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                    • Dr. Love
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7832

                      #11
                      I was under the impression that the intent of the proposal was to increase taxes in such a way that the impact to consumer trading would be minimal while the impact to the larger corporations would be broader.

                      If they meant to offset this with other fees, I'd expect to see consumers migrate to other firms that don't charge fees, or don't charge as much. A cursory consideration would seem to indicate that these firms would have to accept lower revenues due to tax, or even lower revenues due to customer desertion.

                      Just my theory anyway.
                      I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                      http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                      • Blackflag
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 3406

                        #12
                        "Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery."

                        "We are living in a sick society filled with people who would not directly steal from their neighbor, but who are willing to demand that the government do it for them."

                        :dafinger:

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                        • hideyoursheep
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6351

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Blackflag
                          "Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery."
                          Credit default swaps are legalized gambling and should be outlawed (again) immediately.

                          Wall Street runs the government. Blame them. They've taken more from you than you care to admit.

                          Financial WMD's

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Blackflag
                            "Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery."

                            "We are living in a sick society filled with people who would not directly steal from their neighbor, but who are willing to demand that the government do it for them."

                            :dafinger:
                            LMFAO!! Nice theory. We should have a nice world where you're ideology of right wing anarchist dystopianism reigns supreme. Of course, it's egged on by corporate think tanks seeking oligarchy and legalized collusion and a market that is anything but "free."

















































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                            • Big Train
                              Full Member Status

                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4013

                              #15
                              Originally posted by hideyoursheep

                              Wall Street runs the government. Blame them. They've taken more from you than you care to admit.
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                              Even if I did buy that (and I don't) how does that justify the unions taxing companies they aren't even involved with for the express purpose of creating jobs for union members?

                              This is a pure money grab...

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