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ELVIS
10-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Obama sucks! (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/13/tentative-inspection-program-allow-russia-visit-nuclear-sites/)

Russia and the United States have tentatively agreed to a weapons inspection program that would allow Russians to visit nuclear sites in America to count missiles and warheads.

The plan, which Fox News has learned was agreed to in principle during negotiations, would constitute the most intrusive weapons inspection program the U.S. has ever accepted.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who met with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said publicly Tuesday that the two nations have made "considerable" progress toward reaching agreement on a new strategic arms treaty.

The 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires in December and negotiators have been racing to reach agreement on a successor.

Clinton said the U.S. would be as transparent as possible.

"We want to ensure that every question that the Russian military or Russian government asks is answered," she said, calling missile defense "another area for deep cooperation between our countries."

On another critical issue, Lavrov declared that it would be counterproductive to threaten Iran with more sanctions over its nuclear program -- as he resisted efforts by Clinton to win agreement for tougher measures should Iran fail to prove its program is peaceful.

Clinton visited Moscow on her first trip since becoming America's top diplomat, in an effort to gauge Moscow's willingness to join the U.S. in imposing sanctions.

Clinton said the U.S. agreed it was important to pursue diplomacy with Iran.

"At the same time that we are very vigorously pursuing this track, we are aware that we might not be as successful as we need to be, so we have always looked at the potential of sanctions in the event we are not successful and cannot assure ourselves and others that Iran has decided not to pursue nuclear weapons," she said at a joint news conference.

Iran insists it has the right to a full domestic nuclear enrichment program and maintains it is only for peaceful purposes, such as energy production.

President Obama -- who visited Russia in July -- has vowed to "reset" U.S.-Russia relations. On Tuesday, Clinton apologized for missing that meeting because of a broken elbow.

"But now both my elbow and our relationships are reset and we're moving forward, which I greatly welcome," she said.

She was to meet with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev later Tuesday.


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ELVIS
10-14-2009, 01:40 PM
Clinton sucks as well...

Guitar Shark
10-14-2009, 02:07 PM
Russia is an ally, is it not?

What is your objection to this, ELVIS? And what would you propose as an alternative?

Saying "Obama sucks" and "Clinton sucks" are about what I expect from you, but let's see if you can manage a more thoughtful post.

ELVIS
10-14-2009, 02:31 PM
Are they an ally, seriously ??

standin
10-14-2009, 02:47 PM
Wow. what a poorly written article. It jumps from one subject to another. And sensationalizes something akin to QCing a potato farm.
What Russia aught to be accounting is the SEC and other fraud detecting agencies, making sure they are doing their jobs.

Seshmeister
10-14-2009, 02:48 PM
You can only have a deterrent if the other side knows you have it.

Do you want tens of thousands of Russian missiles pointing at you?

If you want to reduce that then the other side needs to know what you have.

Stop being silly.

ELVIS
10-14-2009, 03:43 PM
So, is the other side an opponent or an ally ??

Seshmeister
10-14-2009, 03:48 PM
At the moment Russia is neither.

Putting everyone in one box or the other is what has led to the US being constantly at war and crippled by stupid 'defense' spending.

Mushroom
10-14-2009, 03:56 PM
I would refer to the Russians as "acquaintances" - maybe like the divorced parents that talk behind each others back, but they can still sit down and talk reasonably. I wouldn't say they are our "opponent" even though it's apparent in many foreign matters that they have an interest in as well.

Mushroom
10-14-2009, 03:59 PM
If anything, I think Obama's approach continues the open dialogue necessary to find common ground and respect

ELVIS
10-14-2009, 04:00 PM
At the moment Russia is neither.

Putting everyone in one box or the other is what has led to the US being constantly at war and crippled by stupid 'defense' spending.

Well, you referred to Russia as the other side...

letsrock
10-14-2009, 05:40 PM
You can only have a deterrent if the other side knows you have it.

Do you want tens of thousands of Russian missiles pointing at you?

If you want to reduce that then the other side needs to know what you have.

Stop being silly.

Russia doesnt have shit. It was admitted to years ago that at the May Day parades they had the same tanks, troops and Missles circling the fucking block.

knuckleboner
10-14-2009, 08:10 PM
So, is the other side an opponent or an ally ??

depends. do you want to restart another arms race with russia? then let's be as antagonistic with them as possible. of course, that will take a lot of money. but, you know, we'll get a bunch more kickass weapons systems.

of course, with that money, we COULD'VE spent it protecting against those groups who have actually attacked us. (or in better securing our ports from WMDs.)

but, then again, maybe it is better if we just spend a bunch of money trying to prove to ivan that our gun is bigger than his...

Dr. Love
10-14-2009, 10:09 PM
"And these are the weapons we'll destroy you with if you fuck with us..."

Nickdfresh
10-15-2009, 02:26 PM
It's amazing what makes Elvis angry these days.


Clinton sucks as well...

But what about Dubya? Isn't he the one that you claim "inside jobbed" us on 9/11?

Let the Russian count the missiles they can't possibly stop, you're horrible. But supposedly murder 3000 of mostly your fellow Americans, and you're okay in Elvis' book...

ELVIS
10-15-2009, 04:00 PM
I said the Government was involved, not Bush specifically...

Nickdfresh
10-15-2009, 04:29 PM
LOL So, he failed to find out which part of the gub'ermint it was? So, he's either catastrophically inept and presided over a massive fail of an investigation or completely fucking evil as he's covering for murdering bastards?

ELVIS
10-15-2009, 04:35 PM
Possibly...