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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    Goodbye Dodge, Hello Fiat

    Fiat to make Chrysler into . . . Fiat
    The Italian carmaker expects to reintroduce Alfa Romeo to the US market and add many models that work in Europe. Many old US models will be phased out.

    Posted by Charley Blaine on Monday, October 26, 2009 7:25 PM

    Four months after exiting a U.S.-funded bankruptcy reorganization, Chrysler Group is about to unveil a product roadmap that relies heavily on vehicles from Italian partner Fiat (FIATY) while abandoning many of the U.S. carmaker's own models.

    The plan, due to be unveiled Nov. 4, involves the reintroduction of Fiat's premium, sporty Alfa Romeo brand to the U.S. starting in 2012, The Wall Street Journal reported this afternoon.

    Chrysler also will introduce the 500, Fiat's tiny car that is popular in Europe, to Americans. It won't, however, attach the Fiat name to it.

    Chrysler meantime is preparing to phase out many of its current models, particularly Dodge cars, the Journal said.

    Fiat and Chrysler are working to create several new vehicles with Fiat technology for the U.S. market, including a midsize Chrysler-brand sedan to be released in 2012.

    The sweeping changes, due to play out over the next two to three years, represent a big gamble for Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne, who has staked his reputation on the turnaround.

    Marchionne, who successfully revamped Fiat, appears to be creating a vehicle lineup that stays true to Chrysler's blue-collar muscle-car and pickup roots while adding European-style vehicles to attract a new, more white-collar customer.

    But in the short term, Marchionne's task is to keep the company afloat until 2012 when the bulk of the new offerings will come to the U.S.

    Chrysler is faced now with shrinking market share and few new models coming to market. While it doesn't disclose its finances, Fiat has said repeatedly it won't inject any money into Chrysler despite receiving a 20% ownership stake in the company's reorganization.

    Instead, it is contributing technology and management expertise.

    "The biggest issue this company has is getting through the next few years," Rebecca Lindland, an automotive analyst at IHS Global Insight, told the Journal.

    "They are going to have a hard time maintaining market share, let alone increasing it."

    Fiat to make Chrysler into . . . FiatMarket Dispatches - MSN Money
  • ELVIS
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    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Dodge isn't leaving...

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    • FORD
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      • Jan 2004
      • 58754

      #3
      Last I heard, they were going to split off the Dodge trucks into a different division and call it "Ram Trucks". They'll probably keep the brand names for some Dodge cars and just slap them onto Fiat products. Just like the "Dodge Omni" back in the 80's was really a Mitsubishi product before there were any Mitsubishi product lines in the US.
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      • twonabomber
        formerly F A T
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 11189

        #4
        no, 'cause there still will be Dodge trucks. but if things continue to be bad, they can sell the Dodge truck line to another company.

        it's kind of dumb to have a 300 and a Charger in the same showroom together, even though one is trying to be a luxury car and the other is trying to be a sport sedan. even worse to have the Avenger and the Sebring sold next to each other...two cars that no one wants. and Sergio, unless you're going to go rally car and chase Subaru with them, PLEASE kill the FWD Jeep things. keep Wrangler SFA while you're at it. i may have to buy another one some day.

        at one time there was a plan to make Dodge more truck and on-road SUV based, Chrysler all the cars, and leave Jeep alone. then Charger and Challenger came along...if they decide to make Dodge all trucks, i guess Challenger can become the 'Cuda again.

        Fiat's been trying to get Alfa back in the States for a while, i'm surprised they didn't package or offer it to the Maserati or Ferrari dealers. one of the local Chrysler/Jeep dealers used to have an Alfa lot back in the day, kind of a foreshadowing to today.

        i'd like to get my hands on one of those 500's, but it's got to be the Abarth. i can beat the shit outta that while my one-of-2000-made SRT-6 rests in the garage.
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        • Nitro Express
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          • Aug 2004
          • 32794

          #5
          Fiat being involved smelled to me so I did a little research and found Fiat is owned and managed by an old money Italian family who gave a lot of money to Obama's campaign. Henry Kissinger attended the wedding of the man who runs Fiat so you see the connections here. More political/financial back scratching more than real economics at work.
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          • twonabomber
            formerly F A T
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Jan 2004
            • 11189

            #6
            Originally posted by FORD
            Just like the "Dodge Omni" back in the 80's was really a Mitsubishi product before there were any Mitsubishi product lines in the US.
            Omni, Plymouth Horizon, and Turismo Omni were domestics. the Mitsus were the Dodge Colt and Plymouth Champ, and later the Eagle Summit.
            Last edited by twonabomber; 10-27-2009, 03:00 PM.
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            • twonabomber
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              • Jan 2004
              • 11189

              #7
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              Fiat being involved smelled to me so I did a little research and found Fiat is owned and managed by an old money Italian family who gave a lot of money to Obama's campaign. Henry Kissinger attended the wedding of the man who runs Fiat so you see the connections here. More political/financial back scratching more than real economics at work.
              Fiat was looking at Chrysler before the election, maybe as early as when Cerberus put them up for sale.
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              • Blackflag
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                • Apr 2006
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                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                Just like the "Dodge Omni" back in the 80's was really a Mitsubishi product before there were any Mitsubishi product lines in the US.
                No.
                .
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                • Nitro Express
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                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32794

                  #9
                  Originally posted by twonabomber
                  Fiat was looking at Chrysler before the election, maybe as early as when Cerberus put them up for sale.
                  Possibly. It just seems like a strange match. The world has too many car companies. GM's big problem is they had too many brands. Fiat might make a go if they sell a well built, dependable car that has some appeal. There is real demand in the US for a car that sells below $10,000.
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                  • Blackflag
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                    • Apr 2006
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                    #10
                    I don't buy the 'too many brands' argument. The problem with GM is that their cars blew and weren't what the customers wanted.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49125

                      #11
                      Originally posted by twonabomber
                      Fiat was looking at Chrysler before the election, maybe as early as when Cerberus put them up for sale.
                      We'd have to go back and check, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the suitors that were left at the alter when those crooked bastards that sold Chrysler down the river to Mercedes jumped out with their golden parachutes in the 1990s...

                      And the money conspiracy shit is just silly. What was the alternative for Chrysler? To keep being just Chrysler? They wanted a piece of Fiat as much as Fiat wanted their dealerships. There is a lot of consolation going on all over the auto world in Europe, Asia, and here. Fiat simply wanted a large dealership network in the states so they could reintroduce their multilevel product line, from pedestrian to luxury, to an established and well placed network of dealerships...

                      And I might also be looking at an Abarth 500. Soon, within the next five years, there are going to be a lot of choices for fun, stylish small cars in the US market that we've never had before.

                      If you're a guy (or gal) that really likes driving, and keeping up with cars and all that, feel free to look at the Euro websites for Honda, Ford, etc. and see how much nicer versions of cars over there are that are completely different from say the US Focus....
                      Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-27-2009, 03:34 PM.

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                      • Blackflag
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                        • Apr 2006
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                        #12
                        There were no suitors when Mercedes bought Chrysler.

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                        • Nickdfresh
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                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49125

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Blackflag
                          I don't buy the 'too many brands' argument. The problem with GM is that their cars blew and weren't what the customers wanted.
                          I'll agree with you there...

                          But, there is the argument that they were improving things and the recession and the skyrocketing price of gas basically ruined them right as they were changing their lineup. I would say the American love affair with the SUV has also hurt them as this allowed them to focus on making larger and larger pieces of shit while completely ignoring their car lineups...

                          A case in point, the Chevy Cobalt/Pontiac G5 (which sold somewhat well last year) was basically just a redone Opel Astra that was a decade behind the current European Astra formerly imported by Saturn for a couple of years...

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                          • Blackflag
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                            • Apr 2006
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            But, there is the argument that they were improving things and the recession and the skyrocketing price of gas basically ruined them right as they were changing their lineup. I would say the American love affair with the SUV has also hurt them as this allowed them to focus on making larger and larger pieces of shit while completely ignoring their car lineups...
                            I guess that's why planning is important. Fuck GM. I had sympathy for them until they took my money.

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                            • twonabomber
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                              • Jan 2004
                              • 11189

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Blackflag
                              I don't buy the 'too many brands' argument. The problem with GM is that their cars blew and weren't what the customers wanted.
                              they DID have too many brands. there was no reason to have seven versions of the Trailblazer. the Bravada and the Envoy were the same damn thing, maybe the suspension was a little softer on one and maybe one had low range 4WD where the other didn't, but those could have been made options on ONE vehicle.

                              i always found it funny that GM said "we can't sell your grandmother a GMC when she really wants an Olds or a Buick," but then the dealerships are full of these self-proclaimed shit-hot sales turds that claim they can sell ice to an Eskimo. if they were that fucking good at selling then they should have been able to convince the grandmas that the Envoy and Bravada and Rainier were the same damn thing, shouldn't they?

                              as for "professional grade..." yeah. like the guys building the Sierra and Canyon care more about their quality of work than the guys building Silverados and Colorados. i don't buy it.

                              the local Saturn dealer is running ads that say the Aura is the same thing as the Malibu, and right now the Aura is cheaper than the Malibu. at least they admit it...

                              GM had been out of touch with the consumer and slow to react to market changes long before their bankruptcy, and i don't see much of a change now.
                              Last edited by twonabomber; 10-27-2009, 04:35 PM.
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