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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
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    U.S. Health Care: Massive Waste, Fraud, and Abuse!

    Healthcare flushes $800bn down the drain annually
    by Jaspreet Kaur - October 27, 2009

    Washington, October 27 -- According to a report released by Thomson Reuters on Monday, the U.S. healthcare system squanders a lot of funds and approximately $505 billion to $850 billion go waste every year. Healthcare system in the country can be improved by simply taking care of the inadequacies and fighting against frauds

    Thomson Reuters discovered that healthcare costs can be drastically cut down by avoiding errors, combating frauds, and repairing some of the most visible inefficiencies in the healthcare system

    One-third of the country’s healthcare bill wasted: Kelley
    The latest report says, “America’s healthcare system is indeed haemorrhaging billions of dollars, and the opportunities to slow the fiscal bleeding are substantial.”

    Robert Kelley, Vice-President of healthcare analytics at Thomson Reuters was quoted as saying, “The bad news is that an estimated $700 billion is wasted annually. That’s one-third of the nation’s healthcare bill.”

    He further added, “The good news is that by attacking waste we can reduce healthcare costs without adversely affecting the quality of care or access to care.”

    Citing one example, Kelley explained that a paper-based system that does not allow the sharing of medical records leads to an increase in the yearly overspending by 6 percent.

    The report by Thomson Reuters reads, “It is waste when caregivers duplicate tests because results recorded in a patient’s record with one provider are not available to another or when medical staff provides inappropriate treatment because relevant history of previous treatment cannot be accessed.”

    Important findings of the new report
    Following are some of the other important findings that have been mentioned in the report from Thomson Reuters:

    1. Excessive use of antibiotics and lab tests to guard against mismanagement accounts for 37 percent of healthcare waste. This is equivalent to $200 to $300 billion a year.

    2. Frauds and scams constitute 22 percent of healthcare waste. This means fake Medicare claims, bribes for referrals of unnecessary services etc. eat up to $200 billion annually.

    3. 18 percent of healthcare waste is attributed to unnecessary paperwork and the incompetence prevalent in the administrative departments.

    4. Medical mistakes lead to losses ranging between $50 billion to $100 billion.

    5. Avoidable conditions such as uncontrolled diabetes cost $30 billion to $50 billion annually.

    Healthcare system bad when compared to Canada's
    The report also reads, “The average U.S. hospital spends one-quarter of its budget on billing and administration, nearly twice the average in Canada.”

    The new report also makes a reference to the 2003 New England Journal of Medicine paper by Harvard University researcher Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, where it was found that, “American physicians spend nearly eight hours per week on paperwork and employ 1.66 clerical workers per doctor, far more than in Canada.”

    Even with the presence of so much workforce, primary care doctors are not enough in the country, and the emergency services are not utilized properly. The system surely needs a brush-up if the common people have to benefit.

    Healthcare flushes $800bn down the drain annually | The Money Times
  • Big Train
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    • Apr 2004
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    #2
    Yup and you can take these numbers and double them once the 800 hammer US government runs the show..

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    • Nickdfresh
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      #3
      Originally posted by Big Train
      Yup and you can take these numbers and double them once the 800 hammer US government runs the show..
      LOL Is that you're argument now? More of the same!! It's only twice the yearly expenditure on Defense at the Pentagon...

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      • Big Train
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        LOL YUP!!! ROFL LOL...Is that your arguement? Paying twice as much as the defense budget (which most liberals whine about non-stop, that is entirely too much) is apparently a "reasonable" number, then ok, keep the comedy coming...

        The point is, no activity the government has ever undertaken has made the activity cheaper or more efficient. That is a big piece of the argument (quality of care, lack of this activity having any control over cost), but there are still many other pieces to it.

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        • Nickdfresh
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          • Oct 2004
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          #5
          Originally posted by Big Train
          LOL YUP!!! ROFL LOL...Is that your arguement? Paying twice as much as the defense budget (which most liberals whine about non-stop, that is entirely too much) is apparently a "reasonable" number, then ok, keep the comedy coming...

          The point is, no activity the government has ever undertaken has made the activity cheaper or more efficient. That is a big piece of the argument (quality of care, lack of this activity having any control over cost), but there are still many other pieces to it.
          What I'm laughing about is that you're advocating for a system that wastes $700 to $800 billion a year, and then pretending the "government bogeyman"--which is little more than regulation at this point--will somehow be worse. More of the same buddy...

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          • Big Train
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            Buddy,

            OK, at what point in either of my posts did I advocate for the defense budget? Please show me. I would gladly argue (if we were talking about the defense budget, or you had actually asked me a question about it), that we are paying too much in the defense budget.

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            • Nickdfresh
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              • Oct 2004
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              #7
              Originally posted by Big Train
              Buddy,

              OK, at what point in either of my posts did I advocate for the defense budget? Please show me. I would gladly argue (if we were talking about the defense budget, or you had actually asked me a question about it), that we are paying too much in the defense budget.
              Waving hand, over head...

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              • Big Train
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                • Apr 2004
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                Surrending? Long overdue, but appreciated.

                Oh I see (had to wrap my head around your way of thinking). This comment:

                Paying twice as much as the defense budget (which most liberals whine about non-stop, that is entirely too much) is apparently a "reasonable" number, then ok, keep the comedy coming...

                Which says nothing about the defense budget per se, but about the numbers involved, you took to mean I was somehow "defending" the defense budget.

                All I'm saying is if you think THOSE numbers are bad...

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                • Nickdfresh
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                  • Oct 2004
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Big Train
                  Surrending? Long overdue, but appreciated.
                  I'm not sure what "surrending" is, but I don't think you do it by waving a hand over your head...

                  Oh I see (had to wrap my head around your way of thinking). This comment:

                  Paying twice as much as the defense budget (which most liberals whine about non-stop, that is entirely too much) is apparently a "reasonable" number, then ok, keep the comedy coming...

                  Which says nothing about the defense budget per se, but about the numbers involved, you took to mean I was somehow "defending" the defense budget.

                  All I'm saying is if you think THOSE numbers are bad...

                  Here's a clue. You're WAAAAYYY too fixated on my defense budget comment. Think about a health care delivery system that is a huge economic drain and flushes hundred$ of billion$ down the toilet every year, and tell me how much worse it can get. I am not for a second implying we should adopt their exact system, but if Canadians spend a fraction of what we do on overhead, obviously there's a problem...

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                  • Blackflag
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                    • Apr 2006
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                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    2. Frauds and scams constitute 22 percent of healthcare waste. This means fake Medicare claims, bribes for referrals of unnecessary services etc. eat up to $200 billion annually.

                    3. 18 percent of healthcare waste is attributed to unnecessary paperwork and the incompetence prevalent in the administrative departments.
                    The government can definitely cure these two, since efficiency is the government's specialty.

                    I wonder how they know $200B is fraudulent, anyways? It seems like either it's fraud, and they don't pay it - or they don't know they're being defrauded. Maybe I'm expecting too much out of Medicare.

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                    • Blackflag
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      I'm not sure what "surrending" is, but I don't think you do it by waving a hand over your head...
                      Look at this guy editing out one word. How dare you edit!

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                      • Nickdfresh
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Blackflag
                        Look at this guy editing out one word. How dare you edit!
                        I didn't "edit out" anything and included his entire post. Try harder not to look like a complete, petty idiot...

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                        • Nickdfresh
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Blackflag
                          The government can definitely cure these two, since efficiency is the government's specialty.
                          Maybe we should get the Canadians to run it for us, they don't seem to have these problems...

                          I wonder how they know $200B is fraudulent, anyways? It seems like either it's fraud, and they don't pay it - or they don't know they're being defrauded. Maybe I'm expecting too much out of Medicare.
                          "They" would be researchers who don't pay anything...

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                          • Blackflag
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            I didn't "edit out" anything and included his entire post. Try harder not to look like a complete, petty idiot...
                            You dislike looking in the mirror, don't you?

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                            • Blackflag
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Maybe we should get the Canadians to run it for us, they don't seem to have these problems...
                              What makes you think they don't have waste?

                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              "They" would be researchers who don't pay anything...
                              Well, since it's from "they," I shouldn't questions their methods or reasoning. Thanks for reminding me.

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