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Nickdfresh
12-07-2009, 07:14 AM
NYT: U.S. forecasts smaller loss from bank bailout
Treasury department expects to recover all but $42 billion
By Jackie Calmes
The New York Times
updated 12:15 a.m. ET, Mon., Dec . 7, 2009

WASHINGTON - The Treasury Department expects to recover all but $42 billion of the $370 billion it has lent to ailing companies since the financial crisis began last year, with the portion lent to banks actually showing a slight profit, according to a new Treasury report.

The new assessment of the $700 billion bailout program, provided by two Treasury officials on Sunday ahead of a report to Congress on Monday, is vastly improved from the Obama administration’s estimates last summer of $341 billion in potential losses from the Troubled Asset Relief Program. That figure anticipated more financial troubles requiring intervention.

The officials said the government could ultimately lose $100 billion more from the bailout program in new loans to banks, aid to troubled homeowners and credit to small businesses.

Still, the new estimates would lower the administration’s deficit forecast for this fiscal year, which began in October, to about $1.3 trillion, from $1.5 trillion.

The report could tamp down some of the public anger directed against both parties over the bailouts. Congressional leaders are already planning to use some of the program’s money for economic stimulus and job creation.

Of course, the government’s potential losses extend beyond the Treasury program. The Federal Reserve, for example, still holds a trillion-dollar portfolio of mortgage-backed securities whose market value is unknown.

The improved picture of the Treasury program is the result of higher-than-expected returns on the loans and the fact that, as the financial sector has recovered from its free fall last year, the government has not had to use much more of its $700 billion in lending authority this year, according to the Treasury officials, who declined to be identified as discussing the report before it was presented to Congress.

Last week, Bank of America became the latest big bank to say that it was raising private capital and would soon repay its $45 billion bailout loan. Once that payment is made, Citigroup will be the last big bank tethered to the state.

The estimated $42 billion in losses is a net figure that accounts for some profits to offset the losses. The Treasury officials said the government had lost about $60 billion, roughly half to Chrysler and General Motors and the other half to the insurance giant American International Group .

But the government is projecting a $19 billion profit and perhaps more on the $245 billion lent to banks, through interest, dividends and the sale of warrants the government received as collateral.

Political, legislative ramifications
Aside from the rare good news for the federal deficit, the latest bailout accounting could have political and legislative ramifications.

Politically, the Treasury program has been unpopular ever since it was created in October 2008 by former President George W. Bush and a Congress controlled by Democrats. It has grown only more reviled over time as a symbol for many Americans of the government’s perceived favoritism toward Wall Street, which is making money, over Main Street, which continues to struggle and shed jobs.

An anti-Washington anger is disturbing both parties as they approach a midterm election year, and some Republican lawmakers have drawn primary opponents largely because of their votes last year in favor of the bailout program.

It was unclear how that climate might be altered as taxpayers realize they did not actually lose $700 billion to help big banks. At most, the Treasury officials said, the ultimate losses will be one-fifth of that amount and probably less.

Democrats in Congress have already decided to divert about $70 billion from what is left in the bailout fund to the cost of additional road-building and other construction projects, credit to small businesses and further aid to state and local governments.

The administration had wanted to dedicate unspent bailout money to the deficit but signaled to Congressional leaders late last week that it would not oppose their plans. President Obama is expected to touch on those ideas and others in an economic speech on Tuesday.

Bailout extention?
The bailout program is due to expire at the end of the year, but the Treasury has indicated it will use the authority it was granted by Congress to extend it into 2010.

The Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner , testified last week to a Senate committee that “nothing would make me happier than to end this as quickly as possible,” but he added, “we’re not quite there yet.”

Mr. Geithner, who has become the administration’s lightning rod for anger among both liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans, said “there are parts of the system that are still very damaged” — in banking, housing, commercial real estate and credit-starved small businesses.

He said the administration would propose within weeks when and how to end the program safely.

At that hearing, he hinted at the Treasury’s improved forecast for the program, saying “we’re going to be able to return very, very substantial amounts of money to address the critical economic needs, long-term fiscal needs, of this country.”

That prediction contrasts with the administration’s planning soon after Mr. Obama took office in January. Fearing that additional bank failures could exhaust the entire $700 billion fund, they proposed up to $500 billion more in federal lending authority in the administration’s first budget in February.

Instead, just $7 billion more in bailout money has gone out to banks since Mr. Obama became president, making a second loan authorization unnecessary. Meanwhile, banks have raised 16 times as much, $114 billion, in private capital, according to the Treasury.

‘Stress tests’
Since the Treasury subjected big banks to “stress tests ” last winter to determine how much private capital they must raise to withstand future financial shocks, the financial institutions have been eager to do so, in order to repay the government and thereby exit the Treasury’s rescue program — not least to escape the restrictions on executive compensation that come with it.

Mr. Geithner now says that banks will repay $175 billion by the end of next year. To date, counting Bank of America’s promised payment, banks have repaid $116 billion, according to the Treasury. Also, in coming weeks the Treasury will sell more of the government’s bank warrants to investors.

This story, "U.S. forecasts smaller loss from bailout of banks," originally appeared in The New York Times.

Copyright © 2009 The New York Times

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Va Beach VH Fan
12-07-2009, 09:23 AM
Good news if it turns out to be true....

Doesn't get people back to work, though....

Igosplut
12-07-2009, 10:15 AM
Good news if it turns out to be true....

Doesn't get people back to work, though....

They got it back by jacking the interest rates on the all the cards past 30%

Talking about biting the hand that feeds....

lesfunk
12-07-2009, 10:26 AM
True Dat Igo

FORD
12-07-2009, 12:13 PM
The bank bailout was Chimp's doing, but Obama should have immediately diverted any of the funds not yet spent by last January into a massive public works infrastructure project, as FDR would have done.

Not only would it have created a lot of jobs, but also prevented future disasters like the New Orleans levee disaster or the Minnesota bridge collapse.

Hardrock69
12-07-2009, 02:32 PM
Well, that is what is on Obama's agenda THIS week. Last week it was Assrammistan, this week it is the job situation. Next week, who knows?

One of these weeks perhaps it will be the unconditional legalization of pot.

GAR
12-08-2009, 04:12 AM
They got it back by jacking the interest rates on the all the cards past 30%

Talking about biting the hand that feeds....

If your mom doesn't like it, just go fucking cut up her credit cards.

That'll teach her to teach you a lesson!

Nitro Express
12-08-2009, 12:06 PM
Good news if it turns out to be true....

Doesn't get people back to work, though....

Jobs. Real productive ones that reduce the trade deficit is the real major problem. Increasing the size of government and it's control doesn't work. If you want proof look at the quagmire the state of California is in right now. The huge bloated government in Sacramento killed off the seventh largest economy in the world. Why do we want this on a national level? Sure the government can create more jobs but they are unproductive and have to leach off of the producers. Sure the govt. can pay you in printed script they print but without real PRODUCTIVE jobs and having our exports higher than our imports we will continue hemoraging until we finally die.

Nitro Express
12-08-2009, 12:20 PM
The card the US can play to initiate an economic come back. A real one. Is this: A huge focus on alternative energy. The US is still a world leader in technology. We have the best technical/engineering schools in the world and the government has sophisticated labs ran by the Department of Energy. We have cutting edge technology to produce electricity and biodesel already but we are not making any attempt to do anything or put this technology to real use.

Big oil, the military industrial complex, and the banks are entrenched in Washington and anything that upsets their balance of power is neutered. As an example, a friend of mine is getting his PHD in biology. He's been studying a bio/mechanical filter that converts the exhaust from coal burning plants to biodiesel which in modern engines burns pretty damn clean. Nobody can get any financing to bring such technology into reality. Why? The people in control make their money off of high oil prices and wars. Putting Obama in office hasn't changed a thing other than giving the robber barrons a voice to grab more power as you see with the wars continuing and more troops being sent and no real solution to get off oil.

If Obama really wanted to create jobs he would start a huge project to get the US off of oil ASAP. This would create a huge surge in jobs that would have a very positive future effect on the economy and job situation. Like the Apollo moon landing project, a president can set a goal and let the country shoot for it. Unlike Apollo a huge state of the art energy program can create equipment and expertice we could sell the rest of the world. Once the world is off oil, there is nothing to fight over in the Middle East and a possible World War III scenero is nipped in the butt.

Nitro Express
12-08-2009, 12:42 PM
Since China threatened to dump our dollars if we didn't stop our meddling in the middle east and then OPEC threatened to not sell China oil, you see where this is going. China will be the first to get off of oil. They have to.

Nitro Express
12-08-2009, 12:44 PM
China will get off of oil, flank the US as a technology and economic leader all because we stuck Clinton, Bush, and Obama up our ass and sucked our thumb.

GO-SPURS-GO
12-09-2009, 12:00 AM
Most Bank Bailout Money to be Recovered

Is there a government banking website where we can "actually" verify the money being returned, or do we just have to take the word of liars?

I don't believe for a second that money will be returned!