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  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    AP sources: Dems reach deal to drop gov't-run plan

    WASHINGTON – After days of secret talks, Senate Democrats tentatively agreed Tuesday night to drop a full-blown government-run insurance option from sweeping health care legislation, several officials said, a concession to party moderates whose votes are critical to passage of President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

    In its place, officials said Democrats had tentatively settled on a private insurance arrangement to be supervised by the federal agency that oversees the system through which lawmakers purchase coverage, with the possibility of greater government involvement if needed to ensure consumers of sufficient choices in coverage.

    Additionally, the emerging agreement calls for Medicare to be opened to uninsured Americans beginning at age 55, a significant expansion of the large government health care program that currently serves the 65-and-over population.

    At a hastily called evening news conference in the Capitol, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined to provide details of what he described as a "broad agreement" between liberals and moderates on an issue that has plagued Democrats' efforts to pass health care legislation from the outset.
    With it, he added with a smile, the end is in sight for passage of the legislation that Congress has labored over for months.

    The officials who described the details of the closed-door negotiations did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss them publicly. Several officials stressed that so far, Democrats had technically agreed only on submitting proposals to the Congressional Budget Office for their impact on the bill's cost and other analysis.

    At its core, the legislation would expand health care to millions who lack it, ban insurance companies from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions and rein in the rise of health care spending nationally.
    The developments followed a vote on the Senate floor earlier in the day in which abortion opponents failed to inject tougher restrictions into sweeping health care bill, and Democratic leaders labored to make sure fallout from the issue didn't hamper the drive to enact legislation. The vote was 54-45.
    Taken together, the day's developments underscored the complexity that confronts the administration and Reid as they seek the 60 votes needed to overcome Republican opposition and pass a bill by Christmas. Despite their reluctance, some senators had talked openly and in detail earlier in the day about the progress of the negotiations.

    The provision in the legislation to be dropped under the emerging agreement provides for a government-run insurance option to be available to consumers, with individual states permitted to drop out. Liberals have long sought such as arrangement, as a means of forcing competition on insurance companies.
    One participant in the talks, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, referring to a deal among the negotiators, told reporters he didn't like it, but added, "I'm going to support it to the hilt" in hopes of securing passage of the health care bill.
    Another senator involved, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., issued a statement saying, "I do not support proposals that would replace the public option in the bill with a purely private approach. We need to have some competition for the insurance industry to keep rates down and save taxpayer dollars." But he did not rule out voting for the measure.

    The White House quickly applauded the developments. "Senators are making great progress and we're pleased that they're working together to find common ground toward options that increase choice and competition," said a spokesman, Reid Cherlin.

    In his comments to reporters, Reid said the emerging compromise "includes a public option and will help ensure the American people win in two ways: one, insurance companies will face more competition, and two, the American people will have more choices."

    It wasn't clear what he meant by a "public option," the Medicare expansion or a fallback in case private insurance companies declined to participate in the nationwide plan envisioned to be overseen by the Office of Personnel Management. One possibility was for the agency to set up a government-run plan, either national in scope or on a state-by-state basis.
    Under the tentative agreement, liberals lost their bid to expand Medicaid, the federal-state program that provides health care for the poor, elderly and disabled. But they prevailed on the Medicare expansion, and the negotiators appeared ready to maintain a separate health care program for children until 2013, two years longer than the bill currently calls for, according to officials familiar with the details.

    Additionally, there was consensus support for a requirement long backed by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., and other liberals for insurance companies to spend at least 90 percent of their premium income providing benefits, a step that supporters argue effectively limits their spending on advertising, salaries, promotional efforts and profits.

    Reid — the chief architect of the health care bill as well as an abortion opponent — played a prominent role in the debate over attempts by conservatives to toughen restrictions in the Senate measure. "No one should use the health care bill to expand or restrict abortion," he said, arguing that abortion foes were attempting to do just that. "And no one should use the issue of abortion to rob millions of the opportunity to get good health care."
    The current legislation would ban the use of federal funds to pay for abortion services under insurance plans expected to be offered in a new health care system, except in cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

    Individuals who receive federal subsidies to purchase insurance under the plans would be permitted to use personal funds to pay for abortion services — the point on which the two sides in the dispute part company.
    "Segregation of funds is an accounting gimmick," said Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., the chief Democratic supporter of tightened restrictions. "The reality is federal funds would help buy coverage that includes abortion."
    Abortion rights supporters, Senate Democratic women most prominently, countered heatedly.

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said abortion opponents were driven by ideology, and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., called the proposed changes "a very far-reaching intrusion into the lives of women."

    The amendment that Nelson, Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pa, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and numerous Republicans proposed would also have barred insurance plans from covering abortions except in the three categories if any of their policyholders received federal subsidies. It also would have required insurance companies that offer no-abortion plans to make available a policy that offers such services.

    In all, 50 Democrats, two Republicans and two independents voted to kill the abortion proposal. Thirty-eight Republicans and seven Democrats favored it.
    ___
    Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

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    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    #2
    In its place, officials said Democrats had tentatively settled on a private insurance arrangement to be supervised by the federal agency that oversees the system through which lawmakers purchase coverage, with the possibility of greater government involvement if needed to ensure consumers of sufficient choices in coverage.
    So the government will oversee and buy Health Insurance from the Insurance Industry? The same industry that is completely flawed and corrupt. Lobbyist can pull off some amazing shit.

    I hope I'm just reading this wrong
    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58754

      #3
      Goddamn every useless piece of shit fake "Democrat" insurance CEO blowing tool in the DLC and the blue balled coward coalition.

      This is BULLSHIT
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • GAR
        Banned
        • Jan 2004
        • 10849

        #4
        Get a job, welfare queen. Doctors dont refuse cash for sexchange reversals..

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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          #5
          Move along little fella, the grown-ups are talking.
          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58754

            #6
            Go die in a fire GAyR
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • GAR
              Banned
              • Jan 2004
              • 10849

              #7
              Reed: "We've reached an agreement, which we'll be totally open and forthwith about, but just can't talk about it until 3 minutes before a vote.

              But first we're gonna burn-out the interns at Congressional Budget Office with threats and intimidation overnite to get them to cost it out about 15% of actual realistic cost before we go public with such a lie."

              Lying fucking Democrats. Traitors!

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              • Dr. Love
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Jan 2004
                • 7825

                #8
                I'm starting to think if there were 99 democratic senators and 1 republican senator, the republican would get his way every time.

                WTF is wrong with the democratic leadership? Can they not keep their own people in line? Talk about fucking it up...
                I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58754

                  #9
                  Spineless Harry Reid is a fucking joke. Chris Dodd's wife is an insurance whore, and to make matters worse, another one of these goddamn useless corporate blowing shills just won the primary for Ted Kennedy's seat.

                  I'm back where I was after the 2002 Iraq War Bullshit vote - about to leave the Democratic party entirely. Howard Dean was the only one who changed my mind in 2003. Sadly with him out of the party leadership (or should I say with him gone, the party has NO leadership) I doubt I'll change my mind again
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • GAR
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10849

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    I'm back where I was after the 2002 Iraq War Bullshit vote - about to leave the Democratic party entirely.
                    Split that vote!

                    You'll hear bullshit like I heard on Fox today, "oh the Tea Party splitting the Republican and Democrat votes will only ensure the Dems in control one more term:"

                    Its not about that, it's about sending a fucking message, you're fired.. and you, in my district, you're fired.. and you in county, you're fired.

                    Fire everybody. Vote wacky. And that's pitiful it has to be that way that you have to pull a Crazy Ivan to get anything done with your vote but its the only way I see it.

                    Show me a better voting theory and Im down for it.

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                    • ULTRAMAN VH
                      Commando
                      • May 2004
                      • 1480

                      #11
                      Obama delivers change industry can believe in
                      By: Timothy P. Carney
                      Examiner Columnist
                      December 9, 2009 With their apparent abandonment of the "public option" in favor of yet another program of government-endorsed private insurance, Democrats in the White House and Congress have revealed their health care "reform" as corporate welfare benefiting health insurers and drug makers rather than a populist assault on a greedy industry.

                      President Obama has portrayed his fight for new health care regulations, taxes, mandates, and subsidies as a reform battle waged against powerful industry lobbyists who want to preserve the status quo and obscene profits.

                      Despite early evidence that contradicted this narrative -- such as Obama's record fundraising from insurers and drug companies and his backroom deal with the drug lobby -- the news media have largely swallowed the White House's "people-versus-the-powerful" line.

                      Obama's campaign, for instance, said Republicans who opposed the health care bill in the House had "voted to put insurance companies first." This echoed Obama's rhetoric pitting himself against "those who are profiting from the status quo."

                      While many liberal journalists and activists grew upset with the corporate-welfare trajectory of the legislation, other leading liberal advocates of "reform" denied that the president and the health bill were doing the insurers' and drug makers' bidding.

                      For example, liberal blogger Matt Yglesias at the Obama-friendly Center for American Progress wrote Sunday: "The simple fact of the matter is that corporate America is doing what it usually does -- attacking progressive legislation, and promoting obstruction by conservative politicians."

                      But this fa?ade of Democrats-versus-industry is crumbling now that the final bill is being crafted. The measure still contains the insurers' grand prize, the individual mandate -- a federal requirement that every individual buy sufficiently comprehensive health insurance.

                      By late Tuesday, all signs pointed to Democratic abandonment of the one major "reform" policy that the insurers' hated: a government-run insurer, known as the "public option." Sen. Joe Lieberman said that in Senate negotiations, Obama didn't even bring up the public option as a bargaining point, which shows it's not a White House priority.

                      Liberal and moderate Democrats early this week were lining up behind an alternative "public option" that is not public at all, but just another government program to funnel Americans into private health insurance. As the Associated Press put it, "instead of Medicare-for-the-masses, it would be Blue Cross Blue Shield or Kaiser Permanente, albeit with a government seal of approval."

                      And the drug makers? They cut their deal with the White House early. Obama promised not to go after their government favors such as the ban on reimportation of drugs and high Medicare payments and, in exchange, the drug makers offered $150 million in "Harry & Louise" ads rallying the public behind "reform" together with some discounts for Medicare patients.

                      Even outside of this deal between White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and top drug lobbyist Billy Tauzin, the drug companies stand to profit from Obama's plan, which subsidizes prescription drug purchases and will likely mandate prescription drug insurance.

                      Despite the president's rhetoric, the industry never seemed to believe Obama was their scourge. In the 2008 election, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama raised more from the health sector ($19.4 million) than any candidate in history -- by a long shot.

                      Obama also set records for raising funds from the drug industry and the health insurance industry. In fact, Obama's health-insurance haul was more than the industry gave to the last five Republican presidential nominees combined.

                      These numbers don't show that Obama was bought off by drug companies and health insurers. The numbers suggest that these "special interests" knew they could make Obamacare work for them -- and they have. The health lobby appears to be on the brink of victory.

                      Although Democrats overwhelmingly control all corners of the legislative process, liberals will not want to have this bill pinned on them or their president. But blaming Lieberman or the Republicans ignores the facts of life in Washington: Once Obama undertook to overhaul the health sector, it was almost inevitable that his "reform" would be captured by the industries affected.

                      If Obama signs a bill that looks like the current Senate deal, it will be a bitter pill for the Left. The lesson: Sticking the government's hands into new aspects of the economy triggers a lobbying free-for-all -- and he who has the best lobbyist wins. Despite all the hope, that fact hasn't changed.


                      Timothy P. Carney, The Examiner's lobbying editor, can be reached at tcarney@washingtonexaminer.com.

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                      • Hardrock69
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 21838

                        #12
                        What a load of crap. It is quite obvious the tool lawmakers are doing the insurance companies' bidding.

                        Despite many people's reluctance to fund any sort of 'government option', that was the only thing in the legislation that was going to rein in the insurance industry.

                        Fucking politicians are all on their knees, either blowing the CEOs of the Insurance Industry, or begging to be ass-raped by them.

                        The end result is the American People will continue to be ass-raped by the Insurance Industry.

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32797

                          #13
                          Originally posted by kwame k
                          So the government will oversee and buy Health Insurance from the Insurance Industry? The same industry that is completely flawed and corrupt. Lobbyist can pull off some amazing shit.

                          I hope I'm just reading this wrong
                          That's why I never bought into the so called universal healthcare scam to begin with. Big pharma and the insurance industry own our politicians. All the plan is about is using the government to force us with taxes/fines/and jail to buy THEIR insurance.

                          People need to get it through their thick skulls Obama isn't a socialist but a fascist. He is in the pocket of the big corporations and banks and they have taken over Washington and The Federal Reserve. So basically what we are in is Corporate America and the Military Industry using our government to force us to do what they want us to do.

                          Health care is a monopoly and turning the monopoly over to the government that is ran by those who already run the monopoly is just dumb.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32797

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hardrock69
                            What a load of crap. It is quite obvious the tool lawmakers are doing the insurance companies' bidding.

                            Despite many people's reluctance to fund any sort of 'government option', that was the only thing in the legislation that was going to rein in the insurance industry.

                            Fucking politicians are all on their knees, either blowing the CEOs of the Insurance Industry, or begging to be ass-raped by them.

                            The end result is the American People will continue to be ass-raped by the Insurance Industry.
                            Basically until we clean house in Washington DC. Right now all we can do is hopefully kill this horrid legislation in the Senate. With people losing their jobs at the rate they are, any tax increase will only cause a tax revolt in a few years anyways. People will just get fed up and say Fuck the government. You might see some insurance and drug companies on fire in a few years down the road.

                            Our senators here know what we will do to them if they vote for this. Not only will they not get reelected. Wyoming is a producer of tar and they don't want to be dipped in it.

                            Everyone needs to write their senators.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58754

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              So basically what we are in is Corporate America .
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                              Eat Us And Smile

                              Cenk For America 2024!!

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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