Mike Shanahan

[POJO_Risin]

I know Jim Zorn is a lame-duck coach...

but am I the only one that thinks Mike Shanahan is a giant fucking bitch if he's talking to Snyder about taking over the job while the season is still current...and Zorn is still the coach?

This used to be frowned upon, and coaches used to be shunned and damn near stoned for doing it.

So...WTF is up with this?

Did I miss something?

And c'mon...we all know he talked to Snyder...

[Doctor Dude]

I know Jim Zorn is a lame-duck coach...

but am I the only one that thinks Mike Shanahan is a giant fucking bitch if he's talking to Snyder about taking over the job while the season is still current...and Zorn is still the coach?

This used to be frowned upon, and coaches used to be shunned and damn near stoned for doing it.

So...WTF is up with this?

Did I miss something?

And c'mon...we all know he talked to Snyder...

He's keeping his options open. I think the job he really wants is with the Cowboys, and he's just waiting to see how the Wade Phillips era plays out.

He replaced Phillips in Denver, and might just do the same in D-town.

[Doctor Dude]

But yeah, he's a bitch.

[POJO_Risin]

Who would you rather work for...

Snyder or Jones?

Granted...in Dallas...you have a billion+ dollar stadium...but I don't know that either would be a good thing.

Do you think Shanahan would be okay not having any control behind Jones and his kid?

Either way, Shanny is overrated IMO...and shouldn't be talking to anyone yet...

[POJO_Risin]

But yeah, he's a bitch.

hahahaha...

[Doctor Dude]

Who would you rather work for...

Snyder or Jones?

Granted...in Dallas...you have a billion+ dollar stadium...but I don't know that either would be a good thing.

Do you think Shanahan would be okay not having any control behind Jones and his kid?

Either way, Shanny is overrated IMO...and shouldn't be talking to anyone yet...

Without a doubt I'd prefer to work for Snyder. Jones is a certifiable nutcase and control freak.

Shanahan was a very good offensive coordinator under Bill Walsh, the true MASTERMIND, but once he went Han Solo™ he got lazy, good thing he had John Elway to make him look good.

[POJO_Risin]

Elway and offensive line coach Alex Gibbs...that provided Elway with protection...and created several 1000 yard rushers...

[Unchainme]

Elway and offensive line coach Alex Gibbs...that provided Elway with protection...and created several 1000 yard rushers...

Off Topic but somewhat Related, but do you see bits of Elway in Number 7 for you guys?

I hate the guy, but beside the point, the way the guys plays just seems so similiar. Maybe not as fast, and maybe bigger, but I think the guy is the heir apparent.

[POJO_Risin]

Who are you talking about unchainme?...heir apparent to Elway...and wearing #7?

[Unchainme]

Who are you talking about unchainme?...heir apparent to Elway...and wearing #7?

The man with the pink jerseys sales in the state of Ohio..

You know..Roethlisberger..

[POJO_Risin]

Hmmm...heir apparent to Elway...

There are similarities of course...

But major...major differences as well.

Elway could run like a motherfucker...and Roeth has to, but really can't.

Both were criticized for dancing around too long...

Both won games late...

Elway had a cannon...and so does Roeth...to an extent...but I think you could say that Roeth is more of a finesse guy, who can rocket a pass when he has to. Elway just threw rockets. I remember him hitting Vance Johnson across the middle on a five-yard pass, and knocking him backwards a couple of yards from pure heat.

I could go on and on...

back and forth...

Overall, I think Elway was far more athletically talented...and I think Roeth is much more maleable...he can fit into what a team needs...

With Elway...you got what you got...a gunslinger...that liked to run around like an idiot.

With Roeth, he's more of a hybrid gunslinger, finesse...run for his life...kinda QB...

both just plain win though...

[Unchainme]

Hmmm...heir apparent to Elway...

There are similarities of course...

But major...major differences as well.

Elway could run like a motherfucker...and Roeth has to, but really can't.

Both were criticized for dancing around too long...

Both won games late...

Elway had a cannon...and so does Roeth...to an extent...but I think you could say that Roeth is more of a finesse guy, who can rocket a pass when he has to. Elway just threw rockets. I remember him hitting Vance Johnson across the middle on a five-yard pass, and knocking him backwards a couple of yards from pure heat.

I could go on and on...

back and forth...

Overall, I think Elway was far more athletically talented...and I think Roeth is much more maleable...he can fit into what a team needs...

With Elway...you got what you got...a gunslinger...that liked to run around like an idiot.

With Roeth, he's more of a hybrid gunslinger, finesse...run for his life...kinda QB...

both just plain win though...

Both have broken Browns fans hearts and sort of torment us as well. Cannot forget that one as well. ;)

Just the way he drove down the field last year in the Super Bowl, just reaked of what happened to Browns back in '86 in the AFC Championship. Both occured after a spectacular play by a Wide Reciever that looked like it sealed the deal.

YouTube - Big Ben's Big Drive - Superbowl 43 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gs5IARvyZg)

YouTube - John Elway's The Drive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypo-WhahYo)

Guys a player, though I do think you guys NEED to get some type of guard in the draft next year, or else you may not have him for much longer.

[Doctor Dude]

Elway and offensive line coach Alex Gibbs...that provided Elway with protection...and created several 1000 yard rushers...

True. But Gibbs never got any credit, from Shanahan at least. I honestly think Shanahan felt threatened by Gibbs' competency.

There was an article in the now defunct Rocky Mt. News from a few years ago that addressed this very subject. It painted a picture of Shanahan as an clueless S.O.B. who spent more time attending to business ventures and product endorsements than he did to game planning.

I gotta find that article.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Well, don't want to turn this into another P-Burgh thread, but once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to have Ben with an offensive line that would protect him like Brady's or Manning's do....

Methinks he'd have an incredible year....

IRT the Skins, a new coach is only the first step... With Bruce Allen, we'll see if he's any better in acquiring new talent.... #1 on that MUST be getting rid of Campbell, he's fucking awful....

[POJO_Risin]

Well...when does Max Starks contract run out?

Seriously Va...there isn't a guy on that line that's worth a damn. Kemo is fine...but he's never going to be an all-pro, and with Starks getting roasted by any speed rusher on the outside...

They can improve the center position right away...but they have noone in the wings...

and the right side of their line...well...

it's just not good...not good at all.

...and I'm afraid, not going to be good for a long time...

As for Gibbs...I agree...he literally made that team with his unique blending of the offensive line (which began at tOSU by the way), his zone blocking techniques were dominant in the late 90's and early 2000's (and took a page from the trapping offensive lines of the Steelers in the 70's), and no doubt, helped Shanahan go from a joke to a top coach.

Washington has talent...a lot of it...on both sides of the ball. I agree, Campbell isn't all that good, but I do think some of that has to do with what, three different coaches in four seasons? Not saying he would be an All-Pro, but he's had better seasons. He's the QB that is there to not make mistakes...and he's made too many this year. I do think he could be a winner with the right coach...in the Neil O'Donnell mode of not making major mistakes...

but I, like you Va...would make a change there...you get a playmaker...and you maybe...just maybe...can win next year...

[Little Texan]

#1 on that MUST be getting rid of Campbell, he's fucking awful....

Agreed.

Did anyone happen to watch the Monday Night game? Campbell got hurt before the half, and Todd Collins went in cold and started moving the Skins down the field. They got down close, then the drive stalled. Field goal time, right? No, the Skins proceed to run perhaps the single most retarded fucking play that I've ever witnessed during an NFL football game. They tried to run something resembling the swinging gate, but it ended up being a major fail!

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[Unchainme]

Well...when does Max Starks contract run out?

Seriously Va...there isn't a guy on that line that's worth a damn. Kemo is fine...but he's never going to be an all-pro, and with Starks getting roasted by any speed rusher on the outside...

They can improve the center position right away...but they have noone in the wings...

Word is the Center we drafted, Alex Mack, you guys were looking long and hard at..and we just swooped in and took him.

He's auctually looked really good despite a slow start, He was blocking Hampton like a mo'fo', and was part of the reason why Harrison got close to the NFL Rushing record this past sunday.

YouTube - Alex Mack vs. Steelers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx6C1PgLBdA)

I think Hood will be good for you guys, but I can only imagine how dominant the Steelers would be for the next couple of years if we hadn't taken Mack this year.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Well...when does Max Starks contract run out?

We all know that football contracts are never what they appear, but he signed a four-year, $26.3 million contract in June....

I suppose I wouldn't mind if he shifted to RT and then draft a good LT with their #1 pick next year...

[POJO_Risin]

They scouted a lot of centers...and they could have gotten any number of them...but the fact that Hood was available put all that talk to rest.

As for Hood's performance? As of now, he could be nothing more than a bust. I'm not saying that he won't turn into something special...there's a ton of upside...but he's been nothing but overwhelmed this season, after looking fantastic during pre-season. The thing I worry about the most is that he had every opportunity to get starts, and didn't...

that doesn't bode very well.

It's early yet though...like I said...a lot of untapped potential, and the Steelers' D isn't exactly a one-year learn...ask James Harrison.

I think they would have liked Mack or even Eric Wood...but I don't think they believed that either would be available. They also liked Max Unger out of Oregon...because he could play guard and center...

That's the guy Pittsburgh should have moved to get...and maybe thought they could get at the end of the second...I think someone traded up to get him midway in the second...

Once he was gone...Pittsburgh traded down...and took Mike Wallace...a solid replacement...

Still...overall...another shit draft...

And Mike Shanahan couldn't save that...

[POJO_Risin]

As for Hood's performance? As of now, he could be nothing more than a bust. I'm not saying that he won't turn into something special...there's a ton of upside...but he's been nothing but overwhelmed this season, after looking fantastic during pre-season. The thing I worry about the most is that he had every opportunity to get starts, and didn't...

Maybe Ziggy read this today...because HE WENT THE FUCK OFF!

[MAX]

No offense Poj but Shanny was a damn good offensive coach. I don't need to mention Denver's epic running game year after year. Nonetheless, everyone knows Zorn's short tenure's over and if infact Snyder contacted Shanny, what does it hurt to talk? Regardless, I dunno what could help The Redskins and I certainly don't think Shanahan can when everyone else (Martyball, Gibbs, Norv, etc.) couldn't?

If Shanahan takes the position The Skins can kiss Portis a big bye-bye!!! lol

[MAX]

Hmmm...heir apparent to Elway...

With Elway...you got what you got...a gunslinger...that liked to run around like an idiot.

Eh, still pissed about the drive and the fumble? :p

[Unchainme]

Eh, still pissed about the drive and the fumble? :p

Poj. hates the Browns, so he would have been joyous with ya'll.

I wasn't even alive and even watching the highlights bums me out. :(.

YouTube - 1987 Browns Highlights 3 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFtv2Gf1r4w)

Sup max?

[MAX]

Poj. hates the Browns, so he would have been joyous with ya'll.

I wasn't even alive and even watching the highlights bums me out. :(.

YouTube - 1987 Browns Highlights 3 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFtv2Gf1r4w)

Sup max?

I know he's a Steelers fan, I was just being my usual obnoxious self.

How are you doing bro?

Those games were epic. I'm glad that I was able to see Elway live at Mile High so many times growing up when my dad lived in Denver.

[chefcraig]

The thing most people forget about Shanahan was how well he assembled his offensive line. All of those running backs racking up the incredible yardage over the years had to have guys blocking for them. That line was particularly effective for Elway, who capitalized on it with his own innate talents. What sucked is that virtually every QB since Elway was not nearly as naturally gifted. Trust me, I know this from my own experience: If you have Brian Griese on your roster, your hopes and expectations of success are going to be left wanting. :duh:

It would be interesting to see Shanahan in Washington, particularly with Bruce Allen as GM. But the unplayed card here might be Cleveland.

[VanHalener]

... #1 on that MUST be getting rid of Campbell, he's fucking awful....

I've thought the same damned thing since his first year.

He should be deported after he's thrown off the team. Send him where the rest of the misfit fags go....

Cabo:fufu::homoswitch:

[POJO_Risin]

Good to see you as well Max...hope life is treating you like a year's free service from the top whore from the local escort service...

Now...Shanny as an offensive coach, and I agree, he was a solid west coast disciple, and was successful...

He was a good head coach, but what made him good was less his offensive credentials, and more his delegation. Alex Gibbs played a massive role in his offense from the time he became a coordinator. He was with him for his first stint with the Broncos as OC, moved with him to the Raiders...and came back to Denver when Shanny got the job in 1995. Gibbs was a huge piece to the puzzle with regards to Shannys offense...period.

Shanny should get some credit for choosing certain players, but Shanny has always, and correctly so, given credit to the run production to Gibbs for helping and often choosing the players that made up his line, and teaching his sophisticated zone-blocking schemes. Now, I'm not going to give Gibbs all the credit...but the run-game was effective more for the line, than for the runners behind it. I do believe TDavis was a legit hall-of-famer in the making before injury, but if you look at all those other guys that were late-round picks, they left Denver and were all duds. (Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Ruben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Selvin Young etc.). Ultimately, the best back out of them all turned out to be Portis, and he was a 2nd round pick, and was a slider on draft day. Gibbs left in 2003, and they had team rushing of 2,600 yards. Aside from 2005, the team rushing yardage went down every year, to his final year in which he rolled out a paltry 1800 team rushing yards. Is it Gibbs related? It is absolutely part of it.

I'm not saying Shanny is a dog of a coach, but I'm also saying that perhaps part of what made him a fantastic offensive coach were unbelievable talents (he never went to a Super Bowl with a qb not named Elway, who is a top 10 QB all-time, if not top 5), and his record in playoff games post-Elway was a resounding 1-4, and the one win was a jaw-dropping upset of the Patriots the year the Steelers ran to the Super Bowl 40 victory.

Again, it's always been professional etiquette not to talk to ownership while there's another coach still at the helm. Any team that comes knocking at Bill Cowher's door with a coach still at the helm, and not an official statement of firing after the season has never had a chance to talk to Cowher. He's said time and time again that he wouldn't ever discuss a job that has another coach in place.

The Tampa job has all been speculation, and Cowher said on Sunday, "I won't discuss any job with any team that has a coach in place."

When Shanahan was asked about the Washington job, he more or less implied discussions. What makes me sick is Shanahan not discussing jobs in Chicago or Houston because of his utter respect for Lovie Smith and of course, his former OC, Gary Kubiak. Zorn, who is a quality offensive coach, is getting railroaded out of town (and he sucks as a head coach), but has an owner that has essentially lame-ducked him, not fired him, and is talking to Shanahan behind his back, but out in the open. Shanahan going along with it is against any protocal for any coach, especially one as credentialled as Shanny. He has a pick of jobs, and could have said, "I'll talk to Washington if there's a job opening, until then, I respectfully decline." Simple and to the point...and he has the clout to do it.

[Kristy]

I'd love to see where Shanahack eventually winds up to see if all the hype about him is really true or not.

[Kristy]

I'm not saying Shanny is a dog of a coach, but I'm also saying that perhaps part of what made him a fantastic offensive coach were unbelievable talents (he never went to a Super Bowl with a qb not named Elway, who is a top 10 QB all-time, if not top 5), and his record in playoff games post-Elway was a resounding 1-4, and the one win was a jaw-dropping upset of the Patriots the year the Steelers ran to the Super Bowl 40 victory.

Then I will. Shanahack was more or less hired to be a figurehead during the peak Elway years knowing that he wouldn't over-coach Elway out of a Superbowl win like that shit-stain Reeves did (4 times in a row). That whole winning Superbowl team of 98-99 was squarely being coached by Elway and Kubiak (who, let's face it, it a mediocre head coach but a brilliant offensive mind) and who picked what players they wanted from Neil Smith to Gary Zimmerman.

It was only after Elway's retirement that Shanahack's true colors started to show. Say what you want about Al Davis but he knew when to get rid of this guy. Remember Bubby Brewster? Or Jake Plummer? Both were Shanahack bust. Oh, and then came Griese. What a treat that was, eh? Even Cutler turned out to be a whiny little bitch. Plus since Elway's departure Shanahack failed for over 9 years to put the Broncos back in one single playoff game. Just one. Instead, the hack concentrated his efforts into building that 20 billion dollar mansion, setting himself up as sole GM of the franchise and never took the blame for getting severely spanked by the Chargers or the Colts upon which Shanahack's "mastermind" (alleged) talents couldn't muster up a decent offensive or defensive scheme instead blaming his coaching staff for his fuck ups.

So if the Hack does land in Washington well, he can't make it worse there then it already is. Oh wait a minute, yes he can.

[MAX]

Love ya Poj and it's fucking spectacular to rap sports witcha again and to just say 'ello.

That was a stellar post and I can agree with much of it. All I know is the year my Donks won in 1998 was seriously one of the greatest days (like sands through the hourglass...) of my life. I still watch the game cos I taped it and it brings tears to my eyes/ Ghey, yes but after suffering through all the losses prior, well deserved gheyness. lol

I'm just sayin', Elway wanted Shanny cos of his ability as an offensive cordinator in the past. Elway did, mmmmmmm......... semi-ok with Jim Fossel (sp?) under Bum Phillips son but never the offensive team necessary to get 'er done with the lineup of Sharpe (My ALL TIME FAVE next to Atwater) Eddie Mac, TD4TD, Rod Smith Mark Schlereth and the rest of the small but silent O line and even both the special teams and defense. That team was magic and it couldn't have happened without Shanny in charge. IMO.

[MAX]

It was only after Elway's retirement that Shanahack's true colors started to show. Say what you want about Al Davis but he knew when to get rid of this guy. Remember Bubby Brewster? Or Jake Plummer? Both were Shanahack bust. Oh, and then came Griese. What a treat that was, eh? Even Cutler turned out to be a whiny little bitch. Plus since Elway's departure Shanahack failed for over 9 years to put the Broncos back in one single playoff game. Just one. Instead, the hack concentrated his efforts into building that 20 billion dollar mansion, setting himself up as sole GM of the franchise and never took the blame for getting severely spanked by the Chargers or the Colts upon which Shanahack's "mastermind" (alleged) talents couldn't muster up a decent offensive or defensive scheme instead blaming his coaching staff for his fuck ups.

So if the Hack does land in Washington well, he can't make it worse there then it already is. Oh wait a minute, yes he can.

Are you fucking serious?

If so, get everything straight in a correct timeline, MmmmmK sister? :rolleyes:

Bubby was 2nd string behind Elway, sucked in the preseason after Elway's retirement. Hence, Brian won the starting job. Had Bri not gotten hurt nor had TD fucked up his ACL, my Broncs would've had a permanent QB and another ring. YES Griese was that good!!! Fuck Plummer who replaced him. I knew he'd choke and I even told Poj that years ago on this site when we played his Steelers in the AFC Championship.

Oh and fuck Cutler too...

While we're at it, fuck Pat Bowlon andfuck everyone else too!!!

Well... I'll exclude Kyle cos I'm supportin' Orton!!! lol

[chefcraig]

Bubby was 2nd string behind Elway, sucked in the preseason after Elway's retirement. Hence, Brian won the starting job. Had Bri not gotten hurt nor had TD fucked up his ACL, my Broncs would've had a permanent QB and another ring. YES Griese was that good!

You see, that's the thing. That injury literally killed Griese's career. I'm pretty sure he went to the Pro Bowl in his first season starting for Denver, and looked to be getting even better when he had his shoulder crushed. As a result, he never regained the arm strength he initially had.

What is further galling is that in the course of roughly seven years, new surgical techniques came along that would have been able to allow Griese to return to his former stature. Talk about crummy timing.

[MAX]

You see, that's the thing. That injury literally killed Griese's career. I'm pretty sure he went to the Pro Bowl in his first season starting for Denver, and looked to be getting even better when he had his shoulder crushed. As a result, he never regained the arm strength he initially had.

What is further galling is that in the course of roughly seven years, new surgical techniques came along that would have been able to allow Griese to return to his former stature. Talk about crummy timing.

HalelooYAAAAA!!!!! lol

I'm glad you agree. I'm one of/if not the ONLY Broncos fan who dug Griese. I still wear his #14 Jersey and proudly, I might add. I'll also note how the team liked him too and how awful it was for Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpe, etc. to go into the training facility when the Griese/Plummer transition was taking place. For goodness sakes, Griese fucked up himself partying at Terrell's crib, falling in the driveway whilst playin' with TD's dogs. Sad but a deservedly LMAO!!!

That kind of kinship 'tis among teamates of whom like both hangin' out and respect one another. Much like Riggo with his O line during his Skins tenure.

I'd hoped that when Griese went to your Phins that he'd have done well. :( Unfortunately and as you said, injury fucked his career and made him a journeyman QB.

Very sad indeed....

[Kristy]

Are you fucking serious?

If so, get everything straight in a correct timeline, MmmmmK sister? :rolleyes:


Oh and fuck Cutler too...

While we're at it, fuck Pat Bowlon andfuck everyone else too!!!

Well... I'll exclude Kyle cos I'm supportin' Orton!!! lol

How about just fuck you?

[MAX]

How about just fuck you?

How about, you're beyond weak!!!

Fight back cupcake? lmao

Kristy's the new Savicki of the sports forum.

ROTMFFLMMFAO!!!

God Bless our fallen brother Mick cos he'd have loved this shit!!! God rest his soul. Seriously, I can imagine the pm's we'd be sharing at this moment.

Fuck, I miss him. :(

Oh, fuck you too Kristy. :)

[chefcraig]

That kind of kinship 'tis among teamates of whom like both hangin' out and respect one another. Much like Riggo with his O line during his Skins tenure.

I'd hoped that when Griese went to your Phins that he'd have done well. :( Unfortunately and as you said, injury fucked his career and made him a journeyman QB.

MAX, it was more than just his team mates. Remember that outreach program he started in Denver for kids that lost a parent? I can't remember the name of it, but his efforts certainly won the respect and love of many of the citizens of Colorado.

As for the Dolphins, our offensive line was so weak back then that any QB spent a good part of Sunday afternoon on his back. It sucks, because the guy could scramble, but the lack of an arm with an overwhelming pass rush doomed his efforts. Notice how when he went to Tampa (a team that actually attempted pass blocking) a short while later, he did splendidly.

[MAX]

MAX, it was more than just his team mates. Remember that outreach program he started in Denver for kids that lost a parent? I can't remember the name of it, but his efforts certainly won the respect and love of many of the citizens of Colorado.

As for the Dolphins, our offensive line was so weak back then that any QB spent a good part of Sunday afternoon on his back. It sucks, because the guy could scramble, but the lack of an arm with an overwhelming pass rush doomed his efforts. Notice how when he went to Tampa (a team that actually attempted pass blocking) a short while later, he did splendidly.


Bro, you KNOW I hear ya?!?!?!?!?!?

If memory serves me correctly, I'm STILL a walking NFL encyclopedia. lol ;)

I was really stoked for your Phins when Griese came onboard and papa Bob offered his son the retired number 12 yet young Bri Bri opted for his own #14. That was cool shit. Too bad Ricky Dubya was all Toots and the Mayhalls wit da ganga at the time and not the late in his career runner that he's doing now. :(

[chefcraig]

Too bad Ricky Dubya was all Toots and the Mayhalls wit da ganga at the time and not the late in his career runner that he's doing now. :(

At the time, I believe I told both you and SuckaInAThreePiece privately about some of the odd behavior I witnessed from the Ganja-head when I was cooking for that health related supermarket. Dressing like a hobo, stinking of BO and dope, wearing dreadlocks, staggering around the place wrecking displays, only to purchase around $300 worth of vitamins and prepared foods. He'd then stumble out to a Hummer and somehow manage to drive away. The only reason my boss didn't call the police is because the stoned halfwit spent that much (or more) roughly every other day at our store.

[MAX]

At the time, I believe I told both you and SuckaInAThreePiece privately about some of the odd behavior I witnessed from the Ganja-head when I was cooking for that health related supermarket. Dressing like a hobo, stinking of BO and dope, wearing dreadlocks, staggering around the place wrecking displays, only to purchase around $300 worth of vitamins and prepared foods. He'd then stumble out to a Hummer and somehow manage to drive away. The only reason my boss didn't call the police is because the stoned halfwit spent that much (or more) roughly every other day at our store.

I remember that.

Seriously bro, I BEYOND respect the phins and am still pissed that Marino (One of the BEST) never got a ring. I feel for you cos I never thought Elway would get one.

Old School, no? ;)

[chefcraig]

I remember that.

Seriously bro, I BEYOND respect the phins and am still pissed that Marino (One of the BEST) never got a ring. I feel for you cos I never thought Elway would get one.

Old School, no? ;)

I hear ya, and thanks for the props. Back at you and your team.

I remember saying to some friends around 1994-5 that it would be a cryin' shame if the Dolphins managed to squander the Marino years. Of course this was met with much derision from the crowd I belonged to, but I had a strange feeling that this would be the case. (In fact, one of my friends from that era called me around Thanksgiving this year and reminded me of saying it.) Regrettably, I was correct.

Ya know who else I wish had a ring? Tom Jackson. Old school, indeed. :rockit2: