Google To Suspend Service To China

[Kristy]

No human rights, no porn searches for you.

Google to stop censoring in China after cyber attacks (http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/190904.asp)

[sadaist]

No human rights, no porn searches for you.

Google to stop censoring in China after cyber attacks (http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/190904.asp)



I think it's great that China is protecting it's people from the evils of the Internet. Hopefully the US will soon follow and protect us with our health, mortgage, business, car, groceries, smoking, drinking, obesity, etc...

:rolleyes:

[standin]

Oh googles just stupid.
Google is bitching about a cyber hack?
Please, can we have a scape goat sacrifice in the cutting room.
China is one of the top countries getting tough on cyber crime.
Google must have hacked the account and does not want to give up the data.
Probably some poor fuck that got hacked for general espionage, reported it to China authorities. The hacked was not under that particular surveillance at the time from China.
China authorities pressed the investigation as an information troll tool.
Google got caught with pants down.
Look at google's wiener wamp.
And red faced explanation.
End of story.

[GAR]

The Helen Keller of the board has spoken, and now gives the floor up for additional commentary..

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[hideyoursheep]

Ever tried to visit a Chinese website?

[sadaist]

Why do so many Americans act appalled at how the Chinese government restricts access to certain websites, all the while supporting the US government restricting access to certain things? (ie trans fats)

It's just a case of the government controlling the masses under the guise of "protecting" them from themselves.

The only real difference is that most things the US government wants to restrict us from, they allow us to have it but with extreme fees attached. You wanna do something they don't want you to do, you're gonna pay. What's the current going rate for a pack of Marlboro's in NYC? And if you have enough to buy a pack, where the hell you gonna smoke them?

[standin]

Ever tried to visit a Chinese website?
No, I do not read Chiense. I lean closer toward Russian.

"They" do visit us. China portals are often used in the spam drones.

But on a side note:


Cybercrime: Uncovered (http://www.crime-research.org/analytics/cybercrime1302/)

Take the RBN. It is thought to be behind as much as half of every incident of "phishing" worldwide. It first came to the attention of security experts 18 months ago. Acting as an internet service provider, it soon began allowing criminals to host illegal websites, arguing that its own activities were not illegal; it was just the people using its services that were breaking the law.

The organisation does not communicate with its potential users through conventional means. Instead, it posts advertisements on underground bulletin boards. According to SecureWorks, an Atlanta-based security company, those who want to buy its services can also contact its operators through instant-messaging services. Potential customers also must prove they are not law enforcement officers, sometimes by proving they were involved in criminal activity.

Vitaliy Kamlyuk, a virus analyst at Russian computer security firm Kaspersky, has been following RBN's activities. Since October, something strange has been happening: one by one, the websites linked to the organisation have closed down. But its modus operandi has been spotted across the Far East. RBN is not shutting down, it's diversifying. "We suppose that the organisation has been planning this for a long time," Kamlyuk says, "but the attention it has gained has speeded up its activity. We believe they had connections with Chinese servers; and criminals trying to hide often go to Malaysia, China, Korea or Japan."

China jails Trojan virus authors in cybercrime crackdown - Network World (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/121709-china-jails-trojan-virus-authors.html)

A Chinese court Wednesday sentenced 11 members of a malware ring for writing and distributing Trojan horse viruses meant to steal online game account passwords, according to state media.

The people, who stole login information for more than 5 million game accounts, were given prison sentences of up to three years and were fined a total of 830,000 Chinese yuan (US$120,000), China's Xinhua news agency said. Dozens of other members of the ring, which is suspected of 30 million yuan ($4.4 million) in crime, are expected to be sentenced soon, Xinhua said.

Should Your Email Live in the Cloud - An Infrastructure and Operations Analysis: Download nowReports of arrests and court sentences for cybercriminals have become increasingly common in China after the country has strengthened its laws governing the activity. The government action has come in response to increasing signs of organization among cybercriminals, including division of the labor needed to design, distribute and profit from information-stealing malware.

The huge popularity of online games in China has helped fuel the growth in cybercrime. Attackers often loot virtual equipment such as gold coins, weapons and armor from stolen game accounts and sell the items to other players for physical cash.


Stopping Chinese Cybercrime (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090507055702.htm)

Stopping Chinese Cybercrime
ScienceDaily (May 11, 2009) — China has made significant progress in cybercrime legislation but faces increasing challenges to keep pace with the country's exponential growth in internet use, according to a report in current issue of the International Journal of Electronic Security and Digital Forensics.

[Nickdfresh]

Why do so many Americans act appalled at how the Chinese government restricts access to certain websites, all the while supporting the US government restricting access to certain things? (ie trans fats)

Is it the US gov't or state/local ones?


It's just a case of the government controlling the masses under the guise of "protecting" them from themselves.

I'm not a big fan of it myself, but some would argue that the gov't is actually protecting society at large from the massive health costs incurred from obesity, lung cancer, second hand smoke, or car accidents. And furthermore, that corporations have long profited by inflicting irresponsible policies and resulting actions that drive up the costs of the overall public dole...


The only real difference is that most things the US government wants to restrict us from, they allow us to have it but with extreme fees attached. You wanna do something they don't want you to do, you're gonna pay. What's the current going rate for a pack of Marlboro's in NYC? And if you have enough to buy a pack, where the hell you gonna smoke them?

Again, you're oversimplifying things. Yes, the gov't is trying to social engineer and modify behaviors and they're going overboard instead of educating people to make better personal choice or offering incentives for doing so. But can anyone seriously argue that smokers who knowingly inhale toxins inflict a greater economic burden on my tax-bill and should fuckwell HAVE to shoulder more of that burden?!

[standin]

So many Americans have a distaste and distrust of people of Chinese descent and of anything Chinese, that's why. And they don't check themselves before criticizing others.

Marlboros in NYC are now $8-$9/pack. You may smoke'em outdoors, but some buildings ask that you not smoke within X number of feet from the buildings.

Please Chan,
Spare us the I am a redhead so many believe the myth that redheads are devil's spawn chant.
Every race is mistrusted by other races to an extent. Every country is mistrusted by other countries to an extent. And both are mistrusted exclusively by certain sorts of persons. Throwing the race card lowers the dialog. If you want to discuss the criminology of racism, that is a different corruption than cyber crime.

It is about cyber crime, nothing more nothing less.

[Nickdfresh]

So many Americans have a distaste and distrust of people of Chinese descent and of anything Chinese, that's why. And they don't check themselves before criticizing others.
...

There's a difference between voicing political opinions on a one-party state and making statements based on race. A state that engages in unfair trade practices, sells weapons to genocidal, ethnic cleansing states for oil, heavily pollutes and poisons its own people, and continues to occupy and culturally supplant and marginalize Tibet...

I have the right to voice such opinion, as China's emerging global power will soon have greater implications--including the fact that they may one day be able to bully Google into selective censorship everywhere. Not just Mainland China, PRC..

[Seshmeister]

I have the right to voice such opinion, as China's emerging global power will soon have greater implications--including the fact that they may one day be able to bully Google into selective censorship everywhere. Not just Mainland China, PRC..

I'm more of a happy camper optimist than a lot of the gloomy people around these boards but even I am a bit worried about this.

I don't know much about macroeconomics but it seems to me that China may at some point decide to use that huge mountain of cash it is sitting on to buy up all the key businesses in Western economies including the media and technology companies.

Then all those people wailing on about their loss of freedoms will see what a loss of freedom really means...

[ZahZoo]

I've got similar concerns too Sesh... China isn't a sleeping giant. They're quietly going about some serious business within the financial world, global trade and energy consumption. Easy to control the game when you own most the deck...

[kwame k]

There's a difference between voicing political opinions on a one-party state and making statements based on race. A state that engages in unfair trade practices, sells weapons to genocidal, ethnic cleansing states for oil, heavily pollutes and poisons its own people, and continues to occupy and culturally supplant and marginalize Tibet...

I have the right to voice such opinion, as China's emerging global power will soon have greater implications--including the fact that they may one day be able to bully Google into selective censorship everywhere. Not just Mainland China, PRC..

True and that has nothing to do with racism. It's the political and financial leaders that scare the shit out of me. Like we've all been saying, all China would have to do is call in our loans and flex it's financial muscle. We'd be in for a shit storm if they did. I'm not talking about calling in all the money we owe because that would collapse them too. They could manipulate our debt to them and their imports to us in such a way that it would weaken us but not collapse us.

We support a Communist Country financially. Has nothing to do with the average oppressed Chinese people. They suffer because of the corrupt regime and we've given them the financial power to do it.

[sadaist]

Again, you're oversimplifying things. Yes, the gov't is trying to social engineer and modify behaviors and they're going overboard instead of educating people to make better personal choice or offering incentives for doing so. But can anyone seriously argue that smokers who knowingly inhale toxins inflict a greater economic burden on my tax-bill and should fuckwell HAVE to shoulder more of that burden?!


I know I'm oversimplifying. I didn't want to write a 50 page post. But it just isn't smoking, that was just the first example I thought of while sitting at the computer smoking. There are thousands of examples of small freedoms lost to protect us from ourselves. I don't see it as any different as the Chinese restriction of the Internet.

Like with trans fats. I don't think they should be banned anywhere. I do think that if a restaurant uses them, they should have to let people know. If you still want to eat there...enjoy!

[hideyoursheep]

No, I do not read Chiense.:rolleyes: You don't spell Chinese, either...:tongue0011:






















I lean closer toward Russian.
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I had my suspicions

[standin]

Touché!
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Hey! These are funny!
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[Nitro Express]

Why do so many Americans act appalled at how the Chinese government restricts access to certain websites, all the while supporting the US government restricting access to certain things? (ie trans fats)

It's just a case of the government controlling the masses under the guise of "protecting" them from themselves.

The only real difference is that most things the US government wants to restrict us from, they allow us to have it but with extreme fees attached. You wanna do something they don't want you to do, you're gonna pay. What's the current going rate for a pack of Marlboro's in NYC? And if you have enough to buy a pack, where the hell you gonna smoke them?

I used to live by an indian reservation. The tobacco was duty free, they were lax on who they sold booze to, and the porn was on the bottom shelf. Throw in the forbidden fireworks they sold around the 4th of July and it was a teen paradise. I took full advantage of it.

[Nitro Express]

I've got similar concerns too Sesh... China isn't a sleeping giant. They're quietly going about some serious business within the financial world, global trade and energy consumption. Easy to control the game when you own most the deck...

China's biggest weapon is the rest of the world's greed. Their biggest asset was cheap labor and they used it to full effect. China is still brutal. The government sells people into prostitution or sends them to work camps if they complain or don't make their quota. They have their people under control and the leaders have gotten rich and powerful. Our corrupt leaders in the west are envious and want to do the same to us.

[Nickdfresh]

China’s strident tone raises concerns in West
Beijing finds that ‘people have come to view them as a major global player’
ANALYSIS
By John Pomfret
The Washington Post
updated 4:19 a.m. ET, Sun., Jan. 31, 2010

China's indignant reaction to the announcement of U.S. plans to sell weapons to Taiwan appears to be in keeping with a new triumphalist attitude from Beijing that is worrying governments and analysts across the globe.

From the Copenhagen climate change conference to Internet freedom to China's border with India, China observers have noticed a tough tone emanating from its government, its representatives and influential analysts from its state-funded think tanks.

Calling in U.S. Ambassador Jon Huntsman on Saturday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei said the United States would be responsible for "serious repercussions" if it did not reverse the decision to sell Taiwan $6.4 billion worth of helicopters, Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missiles, minesweepers and communications gear. The reaction came even though China has known for months about the planned deal, U.S. officials said.

"There has been a change in China's attitude," said Kenneth G. Lieberthal, a former senior National Security Council official who is currently at the Brookings Institution. "The Chinese find with startling speed that people have come to view them as a major global player. And that has fed a sense of confidence."

Lieberthal said another factor in China's new tone is a sense that after two centuries of exploitation by the West, China is resuming its role as one of the great nations of the world.

This new posture has befuddled Western officials and analysts: Is it just China's tone that is changing or are its policies changing as well?

In a case in point, one senior U.S. official termed as unusual China's behavior at the December climate conference, during which China publicly reprimanded White House envoy Todd Stern, dispatched a Foreign Ministry functionary to an event for state leaders and fought strenuously against fixed targets for emission cuts in the developed world.

Another issue is Internet freedom and cybersecurity, highlighted by Google's recent threat to leave China unless the country stops its Web censorship. At China's request, that topic was left off the table at this year's World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Josef Ackermann, chief executive of Deutsche Bank and co-chairman of the event, told Bloomberg News. The forum ends Sunday.

China dismisses concerns
Analysts say a combination of hubris and insecurity appears to be driving China's mood. On one hand, Beijing thinks that the relative ease with which it skated over the global financial crisis underscores the superiority of its system and that China is not only rising but has arrived on the global stage -- much faster than anyone could have predicted. On the other, recent uprisings in the western regions of Tibet and Xinjiang have fed Chinese leaders' insecurity about their one-party state. As such, any perceived threat to their power is met with a backlash.

A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington said China's tone had not changed.

"China's positions on issues like arms sales to Taiwan and Tibet have been consistent and clear," Wang Baodong said, "as these issues bear on sovereignty and territorial integrity, which are closely related to Chinese core national interests."

The unease over China's new tone is shared by Europeans as well. "How Should Europe Respond to China's Strident Rise?" is the title of a new paper from the Center for European Reform. Just two years earlier, its author, institute director Charles Grant, had predicted that China and the European Union would shape the new world order.

"There is a real rethink going on about China in Europe," Grant said in an interview from Davos. "I don't think governments know what to do, but they know that their policies aren't working."

U.S. officials first began noticing the new Chinese attitude last year. Anecdotes range from the political to the personal.

At the World Economic Forum last year, Premier Wen Jiabao lambasted the United States for its economic mismanagement. A few weeks later, China's central bank questioned whether the dollar could continue to play its role as the international reserve currency.

And in another vignette, confirmed by several sources, a senior U.S. official involved in the economy hosted his Chinese counterpart, who then made a series of disparaging remarks about the bureau that the American ran. Later that night, the two were to dine at the American's house. The Chinese representatives called ahead, asking what was for dinner. They were informed that it was fish. "The director doesn't eat fish," one of them told his American interlocutor. "He wants steak. He says fish makes you weak." The menu was changed.

Tone with Europe, India
With Europe and India, China's strident tone has been even more apparent. In autumn 2008, China canceled a summit with the European Union after French President Nicolas Sarkozy met with the exiled Tibetan leader, the Dalai Lama. Before that, it had denounced German Chancellor Angela Merkel over her contacts with the Tibetan spiritual leader. And in recent weeks, it has engaged in a heated exchange with British officials over its moves to block a broader agreement at the climate conference.

At the Chinese Embassy, Wang differed on the climate issue. "China is strongly behind the idea of meeting the issue of climate change," he said, "but at the same time we think that there are some people who want to confuse the situation, and we feel the need to try to let the rest of the world know our position clearly."

China also suspended ties with Denmark after its prime minister met the Dalai Lama and resumed them only after the Danish government issued a statement in December saying it would oppose Tibetan independence and consider Beijing's reaction before inviting him again.

"The Europeans have competed to be China's favored friend," Grant said, "but then they get put in the doghouse one by one."

China's newfound toughness also played out in a renewed dispute with India over Beijing's claims to the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which borders Tibet. Last summer, China blocked the Asian Development Bank from making a $60 million loan for infrastructure improvements in the state. India then moved to fund the projects itself, prompting China to send more troops to the border.

David Finkelstein, a former U.S. Army officer at the Defense Intelligence Agency who now runs the China program at the Center for Naval Analyses, said the new tone underscores a shift in China. "On the external front," he said, "we will likely see a China that is more willing than in the past to proactively shape the external environment and international order rather than passively react to it."

An example would be events that unfolded in December when 22 Chinese Muslims showed up in Cambodia and requested political asylum. China wanted to hold seven of them on suspicion of participating in anti-Chinese riots in the Xinjiang region in July.

Under intense pressure from Beijing, Cambodia sent the group home, despite protests from the United States. Two days after the group was repatriated, China signed 14 deals with Cambodia worth about $1 billion.

What the future holds
Whether this new bluster from Beijing presages tougher policies and actions in areas of direct concern to the United States is a key question, Lieberthal said. What China does after the United States sells Taiwan the weapons may provide some clues.

Even before the United States announced its plans Friday, at least six senior Chinese officials, including officers from the People's Liberation Army, had warned Washington against the sale.

Once the deal was announced, China's Defense Ministry said it was suspending a portion of the recently resumed military relations with the United States. China also announced that it would sanction the U.S. companies involved in the sale.

What happens next will be crucial. China quietly sanctioned several U.S. companies for participating in such weapons sales in the past. However, it would mark a major change if China makes the list public and includes, for example, Boeing, which sells billions of dollars worth of airplanes to China each year.

He, the vice foreign minister, warned that the sales would also affect China's cooperation with the United States on regional issues. Does that mean China will continue to block Western efforts to tighten sanctions on Iran? Bonnie S. Glaser, a China security analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the answer will probably come soon.

France takes over the presidency of the U.N. Security Council on Monday and is expected to push for a rapid move in that direction.



© 2010 The Washington Post Company (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35167044/ns/world_news-washington_post/)

[Baby's On Fire]

Why do so many Americans act appalled at how the Chinese government restricts access to certain websites, all the while supporting the US government restricting access to certain things? (ie trans fats)

It's just a case of the government controlling the masses under the guise of "protecting" them from themselves.

The only real difference is that most things the US government wants to restrict us from, they allow us to have it but with extreme fees attached. You wanna do something they don't want you to do, you're gonna pay. What's the current going rate for a pack of Marlboro's in NYC? And if you have enough to buy a pack, where the hell you gonna smoke them?

Please tell me you're not really this stupid? Please tell me that appearances are deceiving, and you're really a better actor than DeNiro, Pacino and Johnny Depp....

On second thought...just go and eat as many trans fats as you can...do us the favour...please.

[Panamark]

The internet should never be censored. Freedom !!
Sure we have kiddie porn, terrorism, death and decay
on the web... However Gives the watchers a mechanism to
see what sickos are up too, terrorist plans and more...

If you are not into that crap, why would you worry ?
The pron I look at they can USB off my hard disk,
I couldnt give a fuck,,,,

This censorship issue will include what the governments
dont want you to read, you know its true !

They want to whack a filter on Australian Internet
which takes approximately 50 seconds to hack
and will cost insane millions to implement
(at the ISP end) paid by taxpayers, never
voted on....

Based on the Chinese model....

Im hoping we get to vote these dudes out this year....

[WACF]

True and that has nothing to do with racism. It's the political and financial leaders that scare the shit out of me. Like we've all been saying, all China would have to do is call in our loans and flex it's financial muscle. We'd be in for a shit storm if they did. I'm not talking about calling in all the money we owe because that would collapse them too. They could manipulate our debt to them and their imports to us in such a way that it would weaken us but not collapse us.

We support a Communist Country financially. Has nothing to do with the average oppressed Chinese people. They suffer because of the corrupt regime and we've given them the financial power to do it.

I hear ya...

Also...the Racism card is so overplayed these days one day the word will mean little...and that is unfortunate for those under it's thumb.