Tiger Woods' Apology

[ZahZoo]

Surprised no one's discussing here...

A lot of people are pretty synical of the whole thing... which I can see. But to watch a man sincerely try to do the right thing and correct something he personally fucked up royally is interesting to say the least.

I can't imagine the burden he carries... not so much for the deviant ho'ing around and infidelity... that's a no brainer. But to attempt to atone for being such a positive image for kids and young people... and try to shoulder the responsibility of correcting that element... just seems unimaginable. How does one sincerely atone for that..? Or can he..?

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[78/84 guy]

The guy is a fuckin' dick !! Who give's a shit. He should whine some more about a photo being taken or throw a few more clubs around when he misses a birdie !! He should have never got married if he loves pussy so much.

[chefcraig]

There is one word, and one word alone that sums up all sides of this so called news story: Exploitation. On Tiger Woods part, it sums up his actions with regard to his use of women, on the part of the media, it describes the tabloid nature of seeking out the various gold-diggers willing to cough up some sordid details, and it describes the women themselves, all too willing to sacrifice whatever dignity they might have held for their allotted 15 minutes of fame.

Ask yourself some simple questions to put things into proper perspective.

1. Did Wood's actions increase or enhance his performance in his particular field of sports endeavor?
2. Other than his family and immediate friends, did he hurt anyone?
3. Did his actions improve his professional standing with regard to corporate sponsorship?
4. Finally, was Woods arrested, tried and convicted of a crime?

The answer to all of the above questions is a simple, resounding NO. Even so, pundits well beyond the usual sports shows, magazines and newspapers have jumped all over this event, and normally milquetoast news broadcasters and various media have devoured each and every salacious detail, salivating as every morsel has turned up.

So Woods goes into seclusion, seeking therapy to sort out the gigantic mess he has turned his life into. The speculation continues in the press, and when he finally breaks his silence after several months to make a statement, this same media horde complains that he did not go far enough with the details. What sort of self-entitled absurdity is that? The media effectively creates a story by turning to the sort of yellow journalistic "standards" that make Edward R. Murrow continue to roll in his grave, then after publicly hounding the guy for months, complain that he refuses to accommodate them?

This is utter horseshit. Look, Woods fucked up his life as certainly if he'd shanked a series of drives into the woods and water hazards on the back nine. The mistakes he made and the way he attempts to get his world back on track are the business of him and his family circle. That's it. He owes nothing to the media. The fact is, the media owes him the courtesy of allowing him to work toward regaining the trust of the public, his co-competitors, his sponsors and most importantly, his wife and kids.

And the real pisser in all of this is that the same people that are saying "Fuck Tiger" and relishing every uncomfortable moment he has brought upon himself, are by and large the very same people that will be overjoyed and declare all is forgiven the minute he wins at Augusta or Pebble Beach.

The inherent hypocrisy of this situation is nothing short of absurd. Come to think of it, that makes two words to describe this debacle: Hypocritical Exploitation

[ZahZoo]

I agree the media is just downright fucked up in this situation... they do owe him the courtesy of allowing him to handle his private affiars.

That's what's so disgusting... all that's occurred here has been private activities, incidents, whatever... none of it has anything to do with golf, sports, etc...

[kwame k]

Exactly, it's the typical "build 'em up, to tear 'em down" syndrome that the media loves to play. Once his act of contrition is complete, the media will hail him as a hero.

It's utter nonsense and the media is only using him to fill our crack-like addiction to scandal.

What he did to his family was wrong and in no way am I defending him but the man has paid his "sin/fame tax" in full. He has lost millions in endorsements and has his private life in the headlines daily. His brand name is tarnished for the time being and he is not playing golf, so he isn't earning anything per say.

I know, big deal he's got millions already but.....his marriage is on shaky ground, sponsors and endorsement deals are gone. He's ridiculed in the media and the butt of many jokes on TV.

Yeah, the guy's a dirt bag for fucking around but like Craig pointed out, his actions had nothing to do with sport he plays.

[binnie]

Who's he apologizing too?

Dude should be begging his wife forgiveness - not that I think it's possible to forgive such multiple transgressions........

[thome]

Apologize for what being a slave to the pussy..?

I guess his wife is fine that he is a slave to hers.

I bet most of this is a divorce block by him to try and relocate his fortune and then a year or so from now he or she will file.

His apology should have read, "since you all are so interested, don't be" then end of discussion........................................ ..........droped the mike like a rap douche, and walk away.

And if I was him any endorsment deals that left him/me I would tell them to sukkit, if they ever came back...

But..? the balls that got him here, seem to be missing all of the sudden..lol

[78/84 guy]

The only reason he is apologizing is becuse he got caught !!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE'S !!!

[Dan]

He should have never got married if he loves pussy so much.

Agree.:D

[standin]

Tiger was/is an important role model. The only reason I started to watch golf was Tiger. I remember his first win at the Augusta National. It was a big win for many people, Tiger symbolically beat the ole’ boy’s club. He stood for hard work, determination and hope could archive goals.

His presence was even felt when a notable entertainment executive was annoyed that he had to bunk in the same cabin (gasp) with “a colored” at the Augusta National, both were members. The screwing with that tiny redheaded twerp and the extent of that screwing was restrained by Tiger’s known integrity. It was a matter of class and nobility.

Tiger perhaps was caught up with the wrong crowd. This I believe so. It can happen. Tiger was/is one of the noble notoriety. It is not an easily won back honor.

He is more than golf. He is a leader and a nobleman. People of all ages valued his grace.

God willing, whoever at this time is leaving him little ethical quips moved his soul to blaze a trail with a moral compass. However, his Michael Jackson stupidity white-faced him. Thank goodness, that pallid can be removed with effort and time.

As for the apology itself, I think it was well rehearsed, but sincere. I believe someone co-wrote it with him and it was well written. I had not heard the rumors of the Viagra use. Nevertheless, jokes are jokes. I do not believe the domestic dispute claim. I do believe however, she and he expressed a very passionately restrained moment, which sometimes happens in the most noble of creatures.

I hope these two can move past this, it would be a shame for Tiger just to become another common celebrity. He has the prospective to be luminary.

[standin]

The only reason he is apologizing is becuse he got caught !!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE'S !!!

Sometimes the only way to stop a cycle of low ethical choices is by getting caught. And sometimes it is the getting caught that stops the low ethical choices.
He was on a long term poor ethics binge, that is no doubt.

[kwame k]

Phew, I need the drugs you're on, Standin :smiley-sniffer:

[LoungeMachine]

Surprised no one's discussing here...

A>

Personally, I couldn't possibly care less he:

cheated
crashed
went into sex rehab
apologized
will golf
wont golf
is sorry
wife left
blah
blah
blah

He's a guy who gets paid Squizzillions to whack a ball around nice lansdcaping, and pose in front of cars....

Would anybody give 2 squirts if it was Tiger Woods, math teacher?

:gulp:

Between he, his wife, and his insurance company.

You're in good hands with Allstate

[LoungeMachine]

Tiger was/is an important role model.





Horseshit.

To whom, exactly?

Any parent who points to a FUCKING PRO GOLFER and tells junior to admire and emulate him is a fucking pathetic moron.

:gulp:

Role model.

Spare me. :rolleyes:

[standin]

Funny, funny, K.
Had Tiger wanted a swinger's life there was more than one woman that would have married him. Fact is, he didn't want a swinger's life and all the drama that goes with it or he would not have married who he did. Time for him to walk the walk and talk the talk.

And beat down that stereotypical hogwash, like ole Sparky the beard man. ;)
That was whimsical just for you, K. ;)

[Va Beach VH Fan]

As I mentioned somewhere else, I honestly don't know what should be considered a "sincere apology" nowadays....

What's the criteria ?? Does he have to cry ?? Does he have to enumerate the number of ho's he banged, including who performed fellatio the best ??

Don't get me wrong, I think he should be ashamed for what he did, especially with a beautiful Swedish bride and two great kids....

But what's he gotta do ?? All of the "experts" always say to get up there, admit your wrongdoings, try to repair your marriage and your family, and get on with your life....

Seems to me he did his best to do it.... Didn't he ???

[standin]

Horseshit.

To whom, exactly?

Any parent who points to a FUCKING PRO GOLFER and tells junior to admire and emulate him is a fucking pathetic moron.

:gulp:

Role model.

Spare me. :rolleyes:

I for one considered him to be worth emulating.
His win that first year at the Augusta National was a big win.

He has a lot of fans beyond golf.
Golf just happened to be his vehicle.

He happened to be a prodigy, but he also happened to have a trail to blaze.





As for the Why bother asspect.....
My mom used to tell me to be extra nice to the freshmen because a few words or gestures from a senior can really mean something.

The same holds true for Tiger, a few words and gestures from Tiger can really mean something.

[kwame k]

Funny, funny, K.
Had Tiger wanted a swinger's life there was more than one woman that would have married him. Fact is, he didn't want a swinger's life and all the drama that goes with it or he would not have married who he did. Time for him to walk the walk and talk the talk.

And beat down that stereotypical hogwash, like ole Sparky the beard man. ;)
That was whimsical just for you, K. ;)

How do you know what Tiger wanted or didn't want?

Stereotypical hogwash?

WTF are you talking about......it's prescription drugs you're on, isn't it.

[standin]

As I mentioned somewhere else, I honestly don't know what should be considered a "sincere apology" nowadays....

What's the criteria ?? Does he have to cry ?? Does he have to enumerate the number of ho's he banged, including who performed fellatio the best ??

Don't get me wrong, I think he should be ashamed for what he did, especially with a beautiful Swedish bride and two great kids....

But what's he gotta do ?? All of the "experts" always say to get up there, admit your wrongdoings, try to repair your marriage and your family, and get on with your life....

Seems to me he did his best to do it.... Didn't he ???

I think he did pretty darn good. It was a tough duty.

[standin]

How do you know what Tiger wanted or didn't want?

Stereotypical hogwash?

WTF are you talking about......it's prescription drugs you're on, isn't it.

Just for you, stick-man. Just for you. :D

[kwame k]

Wow, just plain wow :headlights:

[standin]

Have I done an extensive background on Tiger and his family?
No, I have not. However, generally, he, his father, and mother on the courses showed real family. Hell, even his dad never forgot a war friend. Those are long-term bonds type of people.

Did you see his Mother's body language during the speech? She was really pissed at him.

[kwame k]

Never even watched his apology.....that's between him and his wife.

His fucking around or "sex addiction" has absolutely no bearing on my life, for good or ill.

[chefcraig]

I wish Eddie Van Halen had apologized for VHIII sometime in 1999. I truly believe his state of mind (not to mention the state of the band) over the last decade or so would have been a far more healthy thing if he had done so.

[kwame k]

I wish Eddie Van Halen had apologized for VHIII sometime in 1999. I truly believe his state of mind (not to mention the state of the band) over the last decade or so would have been a far more healthy thing if he had done so.


First step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.....after reading his last interview, he seems to blame the fans.

Ed's Blaze'in down a river called De-Nile ;)

[LoungeMachine]

But what's he gotta do ?? All of the "experts" always say to get up there, admit your wrongdoings, try to repair your marriage and your family, and get on with your life....

Seems to me he did his best to do it.... Didn't he ???

:lmao: @ "experts"

The ONLY person he owes and apology to, is his WIFE.

THAT he SHOULD do in person......

Why the fuck does anyone in the world think he owes anyone anything?

And why the fuck does anyone care

A millionaire who goes on strolls in front of TV cameras for a living cheated on his wife. end. of. story.

:gulp:

And to standin: AGAIN, JUST MORE OF YOUR PSYCO-BABBLE HORSESHIT

[thome makes more sense than you on this matter]

[Terry]

Seems a lot of people are mad at Woods because his private life didn't mirror the public image he projected via his many commercial sponsorships. Said people might find it useful to wake the fuck up and realize the Easter Bunny doesn't exist and neither does the assumed correaltion between many celebrities and the way they present themselves to the public when they have something to sell. It's like people were honestly shocked to find out the guy was human just because he made a lot of money at golf and had a squeaky-clean image. Nowadays, Tiger woods doesn't look so holy, and John Daley doesn't seem so bad. Just as well, because we're all sinners and saints.

Woods has a "sex addiction"? Fuck me, there are far worse "addictions" to have in my book. Fair enough to surmise that from the perspective of his wife and their family members Woods obviously has a "problem", although how that translates into being a problem for anyone else is unclear to me. Far as parents publicly lamenting Woods failing to live up to his "responsibilities" as a "role model", well, parents need look no further than themselves if they're searching for people their children can look up to. Outside of his sponsors, Woods doesn't owe anybody (not even his fans) a goddamn thing beyond playing golf well. Last I checked, fucking around on your wife wasn't a criminal offense. Uncool? I'll agree with that. In breach of or voiding a prenup? Maybe. Warranting an amount of media coverage that eclipsed the serious issues of the day? If one is an avid reader of People magazine and gets a vicarious thrill watching celebs getting torn down by the mindless mass media, then I suppose yes.

Realistically, Woods had to say something, if only for the sake of retaining his sponsorships and trying to stem the flow of blood the press jackals were braying for. From a pr standpoint, my problem with what he did in terms of his press conference was twofold:

1) Why bother speaking to a room of packed reporters when there was to be no
Q & A? By simply reading a statement, he leaves too much unanswered. If
you're gonna feed the beast, you might as well stand up there as long as it
takes and answer questions for an almost absurd length of time...several
hours, if need be. Yeah, it wouldn't be pleasant, but it would, in effect, go
a lot further toward killing the story; let the questions fly, answer them all
and let the press pack exhaust themselves. That eventually takes the fuel
out of the situation. George Will said Woods basically did what all these public
figures now do when delivering these faux-apologies: accept an amount of
blame at the top of the statement, talk about their religion then end up
criticizing the press. Woods should have stood there as long as it took for
the vultures to pick his carcass clean. Can't clamor for more blood when all
that's left is the bones.

2) Woods could have accomplished what he did last week by simply recording
a monologue and releasing the video to either ESPN or his own web site
several months back. It wouldn't have required him to stand up in front
of a bunch of reporters and photographers watching him trundle through
a speech while clearly appearing ill-at-ease as the strobe effect of
flashbulbs illuminated his discomfort. He could have done as many takes in
a private taping as he needed in order to look comfortable (even if he
wasn't), and headed (to a degree) off months of media hounding if this
had been done much sooner.

I assume Woods must have some people in his employ assigned to handle media-relations. Were I him, I'd fire their asses for not having the balls to tell him his silence was just fueling the stories - whomever was advising him on how to handle the public dimensions of this situation, from what I can see they didn't serve him well.

[standin]

Golf is a game of integrity.

Tiger brought life back into golf.

There would not be a platform for Daly, if it wasn't for Tiger.

Daly reminds me of Hagar; pandering off another's platform.

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As for sports coverage, I guess you can say all sports coverage is silly when compared to world dilemmas.

Did that snowboarder really needed to be sent home just because he and others sucked on his medal?

[LoungeMachine]

Golf is a game of integrity.

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:lmao:

If that were true they'd have to carry their own damn clubs.......

:lmao:

Welp, if what you say is true, then Tiger just proved you wrong.....

:gulp:

Integrity.


:lmao:
:lmao:
:lmao:

Just how much INTEGRITY does one need to muster to hit a ball into a hole?

Philanthropy takes integrity....

Being a teacher, firefighter, police officer, or soldier takes integrity.....

:gulp:

No wonder you and Thermos hit off so well before your big breakup

[kwame k]

No, golf is a game where you hit a ball in a hole....... integrity is a trait you either have/develop or don't. Playing a game will not give it to you....you either have it or don't.

[LoungeMachine]

Per usual......

TERRY NAILED IT.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

Damn, beat me to it, bitch :beers8:

[LoungeMachine]

Damn, beat me to it, bitch :beers8:

As usual, you're a half a beat behind.......

Q: How do you know a drummer's at your door?

A: He doesn't know when to come in

:gulp:

[kwame k]

"Hey buddy, how late does the band play?"
"Oh, about a half beat behind the drummer."

Why is a drum machine better than a drummer?
Because it can keep good time and won't sleep with your girlfriend.

[standin]

:lmao:
If that were true they'd have to carry their own damn clubs.......
:lmao:
Welp, if what you say is true, then Tiger just proved you wrong.....
:gulp:
Integrity.
:lmao:
:lmao:
:lmao:
Just how much INTEGRITY does one need to muster to hit a ball into a hole?
Philanthropy takes integrity....
Being a teacher, firefighter, police officer, or soldier takes integrity.....
:gulp:
No wonder you and Thermos hit off so well before your big breakup

I have to get back to writing, but if you don't understand how golf is a game of integrity, you do not know the game of golf.


5:32 PM Monday, January 11, 2010
The recent media coverage of Tiger Woods and his extramarital affairs has focused on Woods as if he were a Hollywood celebrity. However, a key difference — and core to understanding many of us who are more than disappointed in Woods’ transgressions — is to understand how this relates to golf.

Golf is a game of honesty and integrity. The game relies on the individual to identify and report when he plays outside of the rules — accidental or not.

These apparent repeated transgressions must make the golfing world think a bit. While there is no doubt about Woods’ superb golfing ability, several questions now creep up:

How are they able to find Woods’ ball in the deepest of roughs? Did he get a little extra help in his recent recovery from knee surgery?

In life, we often separate our professional and personal lives. However, key traits are inherent in our personality, and these include integrity and honesty. For the golfing community, it is not the loss of celebrity, but the loss of integrity that causes us to feel betrayed.

Donald Allred

Springboro
Golf is a game that depends on honesty and integrity (http://www.daytondailynews.com/opinion/golf-is-a-game-that-depends-on-honesty-and-integrity-487943.html)








Golf is referred to as a game for gentlemen and ladies because you keep the rules without being told to. What a great lesson to convey to your children, integrity. There are 34 Rules of Golf and the very first one states: “The game of golf consists of playing a ball with a club from the teeing ground into the hole by a stroke or successive strokes in accordance with the rules”.
The legendary Jackie Burke, Masters and PGA Champion, uses this rule to remind parents that like life you accept the tried and true rules. You don’t agree to change them just because they are difficult. And if you have any problems, you resolve them with fairness and equity like ladies and gentlemen.
• Keep an accurate score
• Don’t cheat
• Don’t agree with your playing partners tocheat or change the rules
• Resolve any disputes with fairness

http://pdf.pgalinks.com/p-g-a/family_golf_rule_book.pdf

[LoungeMachine]

I have to get back to writing, but if you don't understand how golf is a game of integrity, you do not know the game of golf.




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Hey dipshit.....


Your "integrity" flies right out the window once you leave the public course, and play for millions against other millionaires on TV, all the while parlaying your fame into endorsement contracts worh 100's of millions.....

If you look up to those who play golf for a living, and emulate their "integrity", then that tells me ALL I need to know about you....

:gulp:


A golfer has "integrity" becuase he keeps his own score and doesnt lie and/or cheat? :lmao:

fucking classic.

[LoungeMachine]

Why is a drum machine better than a drummer?


.

Because a drum machine wont try and convince you it can write a song... :D

[kwame k]

A golfer has "integrity" becuase he keeps his own score and doesnt lie and/or cheat? :lmao:

fucking classic.

......and there's no refs in pro-golf?

[kwame k]

Because a drum machine wont try and convince you it can write a song... :D

Why do bands have bass players?
To translate for the drummer.

I once asked a drummer how to spell "Mississippi".
He said, "the river or the state?"

[LoungeMachine]

......and there's no refs in pro-golf?

Exactly.

Just like when I play tennis with my cheater lawyer friend, and he calls my serve OUT.....

Makes me wish I could turn pro and have a linesman.... :D

:gulp:

Standin's argument is hilarious

[standin]

Hey dipshit.....
Your "integrity" flies right out the window once you leave the public course, and play for millions against other millionaires on TV, all the while parlaying your fame into endorsement contracts worh 100's of millions.....
If you look up to those who play golf for a living, and emulate their "integrity", then that tells me ALL I need to know about you....
:gulp:
A golfer has "integrity" becuase he keeps his own score and doesnt lie and/or cheat? :lmao:
fucking classic.

If he'll cheat on his wife, why wouldn't he cheat at the game?

And I do pick those I watch in sports, music, film, theater by their choices in their lives.

I am going to watch national sports etc, and watch for good mentors and inspirational people. just because you think everyone should be unaccountable is not a reason not to hold people accountable.

I am able to look beyond the fact that not everyone can be a firefighter, LEO, EMT or teacher. There is always places to find inspiration.

I also keep a picture of Saint Teresa next to my basin.
I am not limited to sports, music, or any one place to find a inspiration.



I really got to get back writing.
Say what you will.
Cheers.

[kwame k]

If he'll cheat on his wife, why wouldn't he cheat at the game?

You just said it was a game of integrity...but the reason he won't cheat has to do with the fact there's refs and about 50 million people watching him play.


And I do pick those I watch in sports, music, film, theater by their choices in their lives.

Why are you on a DLR/CVH web site then? This band has some of the most fucked up people possible in it at one time or another.....Eddie, for example.


I am going to watch national sports etc, and watch for good mentors and inspirational people. just because you think everyone should be unaccountable is not a reason not to hold people accountable.

Do you realize how stupid/childish/naive that sounds. They're fucking human beings with all the baggage that comes with it, good or bad.


I am able to look beyond the fact that not everyone can be a firefighter, LEO, EMT or teacher. There is always places to find inspiration.

Of course there is..... separate the Art from the Artist and you'll find even more. You think Mozart was a fucking role model or Van Gogh? No, but they created great art.


I also keep a picture of Saint Teresa next to my basin.
I am not limited to sports, music, or any one place to find a inspiration.

Basin? Really, what drugs are you on......please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hambon4lif]

Surprised no one's discussing here... It's because I couldn't find the Kobe Bryant thread. The only difference is the name.

This is just the media manipulating people into thinking this shit is actually important.

The only ones owed an apology are his wife and family. He doesn't need to apologize to anyone else for a goddamned thing!
He doesn't need to apologize to me! He didn't fuck my girlfriend, pal! And even if he did (the little whore that she is), I wouldn't hold it against him. You can't put raw meat in front of a lion (or in this case, a tiger) and expect him not to eat it.

He's human....who knew?

[LoungeMachine]

If he'll cheat on his wife, why wouldn't he cheat at the game?

And I do pick those I watch in sports, music, film, theater by their choices in their lives.

I am going to watch national sports etc, and watch for good mentors and inspirational people. just because you think everyone should be unaccountable is not a reason not to hold people accountable.

I am able to look beyond the fact that not everyone can be a firefighter, LEO, EMT or teacher. There is always places to find inspiration.

I also keep a picture of Saint Teresa next to my basin.
I am not limited to sports, music, or any one place to find a inspiration.



I really got to get back writing.
Say what you will.
Cheers.


WTF does any of this have to do with golf being a game of "integrity" or Tiger Woods owing anyone in the PUBLIC anything other than an apology for making them think he drives a Buick or wears Nike??????

:gulp:

You really are off your rocker, princess

[sadaist]

What about all the whores who knowingly fucked a married man with young children? Where are their apologies? Yeah, Tiger is 100% responsible for his "transgressions", but what about the never ending line of floozies waiting to line up & lay down? And then one porn star comes out with a press conference of her own with Gloria Allred and cries that she is owed an apology from Tiger. Unbelievable.

[standin]

WTF does any of this have to do with golf being a game of "integrity" or Tiger Woods owing anyone in the PUBLIC anything other than an apology for making them think he drives a Buick or wears Nike??????

:gulp:

You really are off your rocker, princess

Ok, but I am firmly off my rocker concerning being honest with yourself and others.

I do not watch television like the rest of you do here. I selectively read and view my information.
I did not know that Tiger had breeched his marital contract 12 times until long after everyone else.
I had not seen the apology until I saw it here.

Maybe, Tiger does not want to be another John Daly. I do not know. I hope he does not want to be a John Daly.
He was not married when I followed golf closely. But the fact remains he breached his contract with his wife. He could have choose a wife that would have supported, even enjoyed a promiscuous lifestyle with him.

He has only been married since 2004 (I had to look that up). That is a mere 6 years. Not over-all very long of a time line when dealing with family of the Wood's sort.

This is not the 1980's. One cannot be a public figure and not expect to be held accountable. I know all to well the extremes that private life can be invaded by a person by of determination. Is it right? No, it is not. However, I do not do things that I would not be accountable.

Tiger is in a vastly greater publicly known position than I would ever wish to be. He cannot expect in todays age to live a life with out disclosure. For his own well being, He had best be comfortable with himself.

Sure there are the lulu's that are well practiced at the anonymous, but how dead are they. A constant edge of attack and with little to no freedom to relish life carefree. The freedom of truth is incredible and not buy-able.

I haven't been to a golf tourney in a very long time. I enjoy them because of Tiger. I do not play golf. I go to to enjoy cordial and milieu.

Will I go to tourneys again, if or if not Tiger has his p&q's together, most likely I will. Tiger brought a vast new audience to golf. Moreover, Tiger has a significantly historical place in golf. It is up to him, now to choose if or if not he wants to be fair and honest.......with himself.

[sadaist]

The only ones owed an apology are his wife and family. He doesn't need to apologize to anyone else for a goddamned thing!


I would say he needs to apologize to the companies that have paid him hundreds of millions of dollars to present a specific image to the public.

[ZahZoo]

I would say he needs to apologize to the companies that have paid him hundreds of millions of dollars to present a specific image to the public.

Surprised at some of the comments of those that didn't read a trascript or watched it. He did apologize to his sponsors, his employees, his fans and to all those that considered him some sort of example of a good person...

Far more than he needed to but clearly the man has a clue of what the media and a good portion of the world thought of him before his demons were exposed...

The only people he really owed an apology to were his wife, kids and family. I'm sure there's not enough words or deeds to cover that effectively.

[ThrillsNSpills]

This is just the media manipulating people into thinking this shit is actually important.




Boom. Done. Next.


Twenty seconds into watching this I'm thinking why is where this guy puts his lob news. If he was sorry he wouldn't have done it. What's going on that we should know about that isn't being broadcast while we're being conditioned to think this is important?

[sadaist]

This is just the media manipulating people into thinking this shit is actually important.


It's also the Tiger machine manipulating us to believe a certain image is important. He and Elin will remain married for a few more years, but it is all a sham. Window dressing to have us believe in his perfect image again.

[LoungeMachine]

Ok, but I am firmly off my rocker concerning being honest with yourself and others.

I do not blah, blah, blah, blah....]

Jesus Christ.

Nevermind your non-sequitor manifesto, can we get back to the original point please?

How is golf a game of integrity [your words]

How can millionaires playing a game against other millionaires for millions of dollars all sponosred by billionaires a game of integrity?


If playing by the rules with your frineds on a muni course takes integrity, then so does my tennis matches, and any half court pick up basketball game.

If your assertion that golf is a game of integrity is based soley on the player being responsible for policing his own score and conduct, then you clearly have NO FUCKING CLUE how the PGA works....

:gulp:

So please, without going Ted Kazinski again, simply tell me how golf is a game of integrity


Tiger didnt cheat on the course, he didnt cork his bat or use steroids...HE BANGED SLUTTY CHICKS WHO THREW THEMSELVES AT HIM.

[binnie]

When your name's Tiger, you're kinda obligated to do a lot of fucking.........

[chefcraig]

So please, without going Ted Kazinski again, simply tell me how golf is a game of integrity


That's easy. The little pencils they give you to keep score don't have erasers. I thought everybody knew that. http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Leisures-and-Sports/golf-050.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Leisures-and-Sports-Smileys.html)

[kwame k]

That's easy. The little pencils they give you to keep score don't have erasers. I thought everybody knew that. http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Leisures-and-Sports/golf-050.gif (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Leisures-and-Sports-Smileys.html)

:lmao:

[Igosplut]

Ok, but I am firmly off my rocker

Now we're gettin somewhere.....

[Seshmeister]

All across the world there are kids who were going to be completely faithful but now, because a billionaire golfer fucked some tarts, have had their morals destroyed.

[kwame k]

All across the world there are kids who were going to be completely faithful but now, because a billionaire golfer fucked some tarts, have had their morals destroyed.

So much for his pursuit of nobility :)

[Seshmeister]

Nob ability?

[kwame k]

Nob ability?
:biggrin: fucking spell checker!

[Seshmeister]

I wasn't sure if that joke worked in American. :)

[kwame k]

I wasn't sure if that joke worked in American. :)

Depends on the room you're playing to, Sesh ;)

[Kristy]

I stall can't believe all the hype surrounding this. How much longer can the media milk this for TMZ profit and late-night sports radio chatter? Didn't like his apology? Didn't think it was sincere? Too bad. It's like no matter what the guy does or says it's not enough. Would it sufficient if his apology was less of a 12-step program speech and more of a "Yeah, I liked getting my dick wet on Vegas gold diggers and and failed model socilaites never thinking of of 'dem bitches would ever sell me out or I'd get caught." Would that make people shut up this once and for all?

Plus drop this whole exploitation of "what about the kids who looked upon Woods as a role model" horseshit. The dude made his millions off of knocking a round white ball into a small hole for a game reserved for the idle rich and racist while in between driving a god damn Buick and corporate whoring for Nike and Gatorade. Was he in his freetime finding cures for disease or helping old ladies across the street or writing fantastic love poetry? When I spawn my devil child in no way do I want he/she looking upon athletes as their "role models." Now tremendous as an athlete Woods may be the guy is still a human being with desires and lust like everyone else but in his case he thought his money, fame, social prestige could get him a piece of pussy anytime and anywhere he wanted - which it did. So all these sports-casters, journalists and tabloid artists who suddenly find themselves being moralists can fuck off for the majority of them would all the pull the same infidelity shit if they were in Wood's shoes.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

some of the sportscasters and journalists may have been out bitin' hooker butts and missed the whole apology.

[kwame k]

......that's a Marvelous thing to say Pete :)

[Kristy]

some of the sportscasters and journalists may have been out bitin' hooker butts and missed the whole apology.

Yeah, who was that one with the bad hairpiece who tried to bite of the ass of his dominatrix a few years back? Some football "analyst" whose name I forget.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

kwame knows it;)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

he did mostly basketball i believe.

[LoungeMachine]

I'll say it again for the "integrity" crowd.....

ANY parent who points to ANY musician, athlete, or celebrity and says that's who junior should emulate, is not doing their job, and setting the kids up for major letdowns.

And why the fuck does anyone care what these spoiled brats do OFF the course/field/stage anyway?

If Tiger never plays golf again, I couldnt possibly care less. But if the GAME "suffers" because he doesn't, well that's the PGA's problem now.

I want integrity from my elected officals, teachers, cops, and anyone else on my payroll through my tax dollars.

:gulp:

[kwame k]

kwame knows it;)

In the great tradition of sportscasters sporting bad hair pieces that would be Marvelous Marv Albert ;)

[standin]

Let us not hold integrity as a social value
http://afeatheradrift.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bernie_madoff_jump.jpg

[LoungeMachine]

omg :rolleyes:

Answer the fucking question.....

WHY IS GOLF A GAME ON INTEGRITY [according to you]??????

:gulp:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

might as well jump:hitch:

[kwame k]

As long as she doesn't start ranting about the tribe again...... integrity has nothing to do with sports. Integrity has to do with what you do outside of sports. How fucking hard is that to understand!

In 'script-head world..... apparently, having exceptional athletic ability equates to having moral integrity. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[LoungeMachine]

As long as she doesn't start ranting about the tribe again......





I have no idea what this refers to...

I've pretty much stayed out of the Blaze/Oolith/standin/Julia drama, except to applaud when she handed thermos his nuts on a platter....

I'm just trying to get a simple answer from her for a simple question.

why the fuck is GOLF [of all things] a game of integrity to her?

:gulp:

[Terry]

Per usual......

TERRY NAILED IT.

:gulp:

Yeah, well, if I undertake a 10,000 word response, I'm bound to hit a few nails on the head...broken clock being correct twice a day and so forth.;)

[LoungeMachine]

Yeah, well, if I undertake a 10,000 word response, I'm bound to hit a few nails on the head...broken clock being correct twice a day and so forth.;)

I dunno...

Crazy Bag Lady has posted at least 10K in repsonses in this thread, and I dont think she's hit anything other than the Robitussin yet....

:gulp:

[Kristy]

Yeah, that's him

http://www.sportsgrindent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/marvalbert.jpg

For some odd reason unbeknown to me Marv reminds me of Huckleberry Hound
http://www.hbshows.com/images/huckleberryhound_news.jpg

[Terry]

I dunno...

Crazy Bag Lady has posted at least 10K in repsonses in this thread, and I dont think she's hit anything other than the Robitussin yet....

:gulp:


Prefer NyQuil meself...the original green death flavour, just like Dr. Denis Leary prescribed...couple of belts and I'm ready to drift away along an emerald stream to nappy-nap land.

[standin]

omg :rolleyes:

Answer the fucking question.....

WHY IS GOLF A GAME ON INTEGRITY [according to you]??????

:gulp:

I really do not know the game that well, I suppose. I have spent a lot of time talking about the game especially the 3 or 4 years I spent at the 18th hole, Amen Corner, and other places of the same venue. And me being of my nature, led the conversation away from stats and to "why is that" stories.

Other people called it a game of integrity. I do not play it so this is second hand knowledge. But I am told that when you play golf with a person you learn a lot of the true nature of a person.


However, though I am not "into" sports, all sports would be games of integrity. Though when writing that statement including wrestling as it is know today, makes me cringe.


PGA.com :: PGATOUR :: Mickelson rejects allegations that he's cheating by using old wedges (http://www.pga.com/2010/news/pgatour/01/30/mickelson/index.html)
Cheats in professional golf - Golf Rewind (http://www.golfrewind.com/tour-talk/21667-cheats-professional-golf.html)

[standin]

Seeing how we are nitpicking a word and it's use toward the game of golf, here are the definitions:


Integrity as a concept has to do with perceived consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations and outcome. People use integrity as a holistic concept, judging the integrity of systems in terms of those systems' ability to achieve their own goals (if any). A value system's abstraction depth and range of applicable interaction may also function as significant factors in identifying integrity due to their congruence or lack of congruence with empirical observation.[citation needed] A value system may evolve over time while retaining integrity if those who espouse the values account for and resolve inconsistencies.

Some people[1] see integrity as the quality of having a sense of honesty and truthfulness in regard to the motivations for one's actions. Some people[who?] use the term "hypocrisy" in contrast to integrity[citation needed] for asserting that one part of a value system demonstrably conflicts with another, and to demand that the parties holding apparently conflicting values account for the discrepancy or change their beliefs to improve internal consistency (seen as a virtue).

The etymology of the word "integrity" can suggest insight into its use and meaning. It stems from the Latin adjective integer (whole, complete).[2] In this context, integrity may comprise the personal inner sense of "wholeness" deriving from (say) honesty and consistency of character. As such, one may judge that others "have integrity" to the extent that one judges whether they behave according to the values, beliefs and principles they claim to hold.

Integrity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity)


Integrity in modern ethics
In a formal study of the term "integrity" and its meaning in modern ethics, law professor Stephen L. Carter sees integrity not only as a refusal to engage in behavior that evades responsibility[citation needed]. He sees it also as an understanding of different modes or styles in which some discourse takes place, and that tries to discover some truth[citation needed].

Carter writes:

Integrity [...] requires three steps: (1) discerning what is right and what is wrong; (2) acting on what you have discerned, even at personal cost; and (3) saying openly that you are acting on your understanding of right from wrong.[...] Integrity [...] is not the same as honesty [...][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity#Integrity_in_modern_ethics


Law
An adversarial process can have general integrity when both sides demonstrate willingness to share evidence, follow guidelines of debate and accept rulings from an arbitrator in a good-faith effort to arrive at either the truth or a mutually equitable outcome. An honorable presentation of the case measures both sides of the argument with a consistent set of principles. Failure to present principles in accordance with observation or to try them unequally can weaken a case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity#Law


in·teg·ri·ty   /ɪnˈtɛgrɪti/ Show Spelled[in-teg-ri-tee] Show IPA
–noun
1.adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2.the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3.a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.
Integrity | Define Integrity at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/integrity)

[LoungeMachine]

Thank you for that. :rolleyes:

WE KNOW what integrity is, Sybil......

I asked why YOU called GOLF a game of integrity.

And now I finally have the answer.....

BECAUSE YOU OVERHEARD IT CALLED THAT ONCE.

:gulp:

amazing.

[Seshmeister]

I think the point is why would we expect a higher integrity from someone just because they are good at golf?

Anyone that good at anything, even golf, so that they are much better than the 6 billion other people on the planet is likely to be a bit odd in other ways because of the obsessiveness needed to achieve at that level. If they have even average skills in other areas they are doing well.

I guess part of the reason this confuses me as an issue is that I don't buy into the celebrity culture, reading all the magazines and tabloids worrying about who is marrying who and who is happy or rich. People form fantasy relationships with celebrities and start to think they are part of their social circle and form ideas about them based on almost nothing factual.

If he had been anally fucking rattlesnakes I couldn't have cared less apart from the comedy value...

[Panamark]

This is exactly the same deal as Charlie Sheen,
and even after recent reports of domestic violence,
we still all love 2 men and a baby or whatever its called..

Tiger basically said he was above the common rules of
humanity.... And you know what, he fookin is.
If I was worth that much, a warm face towel in first class... nah uh
Full suckage before take off, from the hostess I chose.

[Seshmeister]

This is exactly the same deal as Charlie Sheen,
and even after recent reports of domestic violence,
we still all love 2 men and a baby or whatever its called..


Speak for yourself as the boards most loved up, in touch with their feelings, metrosexual guy . :D

I though it was a sack of shit about a screaming sack of shit maker.

[Seshmeister]

WTF are you talking about anyway that movie was Guttenburg, Danson and Selleck?

Fom 1990 onwards Charlie Sheen's main role in the movies has been to be a warning that the film was probably garbage.

He's the turkeymeister, the brown M&M of film.



# Foodfight! (2009) (voice) .... Dex Dogtective
# Scary Movie 4 (2006) (uncredited) .... Tom Logan
... aka Scary Movie 4 (Australia: cable TV title)
# The Big Bounce (2004) .... Bob Rogers, Jr.
# Scary Movie 3 (2003) .... Tom
# No Code of Conduct (1998) (as Charles Sheen) .... Jake Peterson
# Free Money (1998) (as Charles Sheen) .... Bud Dyerson
# Bad Day on the Block (1997) (as Charles Sheen) .... Lyle Wilder
# All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 (1996) (voice) .... Charles B. 'Charlie' Barkin
# Frame by Frame (1996)
# Loose Women (1996) .... Barbie Loving Bartender
# Terminal Velocity (1994) .... Richard 'Ditch' Brodie
# Major League II (1994) .... Rick 'Wild Thing' Vaughn
# The Chase (1994) .... Jackson Davis Hammond
# The Three Musketeers (1993) .... Aramis
# Deadfall (1993) .... Morgan "Fats" Gripp
# Hot Shots! Part Deux (1993) .... Topper Harley
... aka Hot Shots! 2 (Australia)
# Loaded Weapon 1 (1993) .... Valet
... aka National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1 (USA: complete title)
# Beyond the Law (1992) .... Daniel 'Dan' Saxon
... aka Fixing the Shadow (International: English title)
... aka Made of Steel (Europe: English title)
# Hot Shots! (1991) .... Lt. Topper Harley
# The Rookie (1990) .... David Ackerman
# Cadence (1990) .... Pfc. Franklin Fairchild Bean
... aka Count a Lonely Cadence
# Men at Work (1990) .... Carl Taylor

[Panamark]

Sesh,

fuck off you knew what I meant !

"Two men"

Christ are the anal spelling police that bad now ??

[Panamark]

Speak for yourself as the boards most loved up, in touch with their feelings, metrosexual guy . :D

I though it was a sack of shit about a screaming sack of shit maker.

You got me wrong haggis breathe !

I think he is a scumbag

I will never think of him the same.

But Americans accepted Charlie Sheens
indiscretions, and he is popular once again....

Maybe he needs to bounce on Oprahs Couch ???

[ZahZoo]

omg :rolleyes:

Answer the fucking question.....

WHY IS GOLF A GAME ON INTEGRITY [according to you]??????

:gulp:

OK I'll shatter the mystique... that's what doctors and lawyers and politicians who play golf would lead you to believe... the game's origins came with the belief that gentlemen kept an honest score and played within the rules. That still lives a little bit in the game...

But for most it's a good excuse to get outdoors, drink a ton of beer and act like your playing a sport. Integrity.. nah... just a game that goes well with drinkin for the most part except for the top pros... they have to go hide to do what everyday people would do publically.

John Daly is the real life model of a top golfer...

[Seshmeister]

Sesh,

fuck off you knew what I meant !

"Two men"

Christ are the anal spelling police that bad now ??

Ahhh you mean the TV thing, 2 and a half men? :)

[chefcraig]

Charlie Sheen has never been popular, he has merely been tolerated because of television. Don't forget, this is a country that accepted Oliver North on JAG and G. Gordon Liddy on Miami Vice. Shit, Liddy also appeared at Wrestle Mania II. Never underestimate a North American's capabilities for tolerance when it comes to scoundrels. Or outright ignorance, for that matter.

[Panamark]

Ahhh you mean the TV thing, 2 and a half men? :)


Thats the one :) Im fried...
My baby decided he could crawl today and my missus
says I have to babyproof everthing....
Thats cool, I understand, but I have a major
proect going down...... All happens at once :)

[Seshmeister]

The rule seems to be you can do pretty much anything as long as you make it into some sort of redemption story for the media with a beginning,a middle and an end.

If OJ had been convicted as long as he had made an apology where he cried for a bit on TV he probably could have rebuilt his career when he got out.

The ones I hate are the pretend drinkers. "I was an alcoholic for 3 months in 1998 but I'm teetotal now" bullshit.

[Seshmeister]

Thats the one :) Im fried...
My baby decided he could crawl today and my missus
says I have to babyproof everthing....
Thats cool, I understand, but I have a major
proect going down...... All happens at once :)

The kid suicide phase seems to last about 3 years.

I ended up constantly hurting myself on all the shit installed to stop them being hurt. :)

Stair gates are invisible to man after 8 beers...

[ELVIS]

Stop at seven...

[Seshmeister]

To be honest these days I usually stop at 4.

I find the volume of beer a bit much and move onto spirits...

[VanHalener]

My feeling from the moment this bullshit apology came on tv

This motherfucker took over every channel to say he's sorry for getting laid behind his wife's back?!!! What the FUCK is THIS BuLLShiT?!!! When did this motherfucker become President?

That shit disgusted me. Fucking America! What the fuck are things coming to when a fucking golfer takes over every network like a national emergency in order to say I am sorry I banged all these bitches?!!

A hefty fuck you to Tiger and the networks that covered the fiasco.

What a fucking joke!

[Seshmeister]

Not for me to stick up for him but if the media demand an apology for weeks and then when he makes it they all chose to show it live then surely it's the medias fault not his.

[ELVIS]

I also keep a picture of Saint Teresa next to my basin.

For when you throw up after eating twelve dozen doughnuts ??

I really got to get back writing.

You have such way with words.

Cheers.


:barf:

[binnie]

When your name's Tiger, you're kinda obligated to do a lot of fucking.........

Standin, you growned me for that?

It was a JOKE! I'm not seriously suggesting that his name permits Woods to be an asshole......

[kwame k]

Standin, you growned me for that?

It was a JOKE! I'm not seriously suggesting that his name permits Woods to be an asshole......

You've shown you have no Integrity, Binnie.




















































You are no longer my idol or role model :biggrin:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

unless he publicly apologizes.;)

[kwame k]

unless he publicly apologizes.;)

Before or after he goes into rehab for his sex addiction ;)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Before or after he goes into rehab for his sex addiction ;)

while he is hitting his female counselor.:biggrin:

[chefcraig]

I've thought about the whole apology routine to make amends for certain transgressions in my life, but I'm fairly certain that as soon as I stepped up to the podium, something like this would happen...

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2408/bushshoedodgeball.gif (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/bushshoedodgeball.gif/)

[kwame k]

while he is hitting his female counselor.:biggrin:

Wait a minute......before I judge Binnie, I better make sure he doesn't play Golf because if he does.....he automatically has integrity :)

[kwame k]

I've thought about the whole apology routine to make amends for certain transgressions in my life, but I'm fairly certain that as soon as I stepped up to the podium, something like this would happen...

Kidding aside.....it's not whether or not you get knocked down or make certain mistakes in life, we all do.

Isn't building character, how you pick yourself up and learn from your mistakes?

No one has the perfect life......that's an illusion perpetrated by Ad Execs to sell you shit that you don't need.

[standin]

Thank you for that. :rolleyes:

WE KNOW what integrity is, Sybil......

I asked why YOU called GOLF a game of integrity.

And now I finally have the answer.....

BECAUSE YOU OVERHEARD IT CALLED THAT ONCE.

:gulp:

amazing.

Say and imply what you will. As I said I do not play the game. I asked others the why the game.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Say and imply what you will. As I said I do not play the game. I asked others the why the game.

i have no idea why there is golf;)

[LoungeMachine]

Golf is a game of integrity.

Tiger brought life back into golf.

There would not be a platform for Daly, if it wasn't for Tiger.

Daly reminds me of Hagar; pandering off another's platform.

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?


Notice you didnt say "I've heard Golf is..." or "People say golf is..."

So when you make a statement like this, and then you're asked to defend/explain it, don't act so fucking put upon, alright?

took you 3 fucking pages to admit you had no clue what it meant....

:gulp:

[chefcraig]

Kidding aside.....it's not whether or not you get knocked down or make certain mistakes in life, we all do.

Isn't building character, how you pick yourself up and learn from your mistakes?

No one has the perfect life......that's an illusion perpetrated by Ad Execs to sell you shit that you don't need.

My point is that this idea of atonement is absurd. The very idea that anyone wants to hear from you after you've wounded them by being a thoughtless asshole is stupid, because at this point they've more than likely moved on, have forgotten the incident or merely consider you a dick and not worth the time. So in addressing things in an attempt to make amends, the act only soothes the hurt or guilt of the schmuck that inflicted the pain in the first place. It solves nothing other than giving the guy apologizing the impression that he is somehow righting a wrong. The fact is, you can not un-ring a bell. Like you said, character comes from learning from your mistakes. Making a big show about doing so is ultimately pointless, as it assumes a need to draw attention to something that usually comes naturally to everybody else on the planet.

[LoungeMachine]

Say and imply what you will. As I said I do not play the game. .

Well of course you don't....

It takes integrity to play it....

:gulp:

[chefcraig]

Well of course you don't....

It takes integrity to play it....

:gulp:

I never have been able to grasp the idea of integrity in golf, and I play. Prior to 9/11, golf announcers used to bandy words about like "courage" to define a player's tenacity in going for a tricky shot. Huh?

Integrity in golf is little more than an illusion that takes place within the given time period it takes to play, and it's still as phony as a three dollar bill. Ever notice how people can be just a little bit more decent around the holidays, particularly to strangers? The day after Christmas, everyone is right back to nearly committing homicide over situations in traffic.

Like I said, it's an illusion of grace and fair play for a world that doesn't see too much of either today. So is a movie. The difference being that people usually don't attempt to sustain the period of temporary disbelief after the fucking credits roll.

[LoungeMachine]

Who among us hasn't cheated on the course?

Show of hands.....


:gulp:

exactly

[standin]

OK I'll shatter the mystique... that's what doctors and lawyers and politicians who play golf would lead you to believe... the game's origins came with the belief that gentlemen kept an honest score and played within the rules. That still lives a little bit in the game...

But for most it's a good excuse to get outdoors, drink a ton of beer and act like your playing a sport. Integrity.. nah... just a game that goes well with drinkin for the most part except for the top pros... they have to go hide to do what everyday people would do publically.

John Daly is the real life model of a top golfer...

There thank you.
That is the history of golf and what many hold the perception to be.

And you are right for a mass of the golfer's it is a Daly type game that is why he can keep a name rotating. Though I do not follow his game and do not know how he is doing at this very time in his career.

However for another mass the game has a different reverence.

There is a huge difference in feel and experience between the practice rounds and the game rounds during the tourney at the National. Any one in theory, can obtain a practice round, while the game rounds are coveted by a patron list.

[LoungeMachine]

There thank you.
.

:lmao:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Who among us hasn't cheated on the course?

Show of hands.....


:gulp:

exactly

if mini-golf counts......FUCK YES!!

[chefcraig]

There thank you.
That is the history of golf and what many hold the perception to be.

And you are right for a mass of the golfer's it is a Daly type game that is why he can keep a name rotating. Though I do not follow his game and do not know how he is doing at this very time in his career.

However for another mass the game has a different reverence.

There is a huge difference in feel and experience between the practice rounds and the game rounds during the tourney at the National. Any one in theory, can obtain a practice round, while the game rounds are coveted by a patron list.

Ummm...John Daly was suspended from the PGA tour for six months last year. He was so out of it, he really didn't even know when it began.

Daly calls suspension a low point

John Daly smashed one tee shot off the top of a beer can during a pro-am. At another tournament, he returned from a rain delay with Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden as his caddie. And his most memorable photo this year came in an orange jail suit, eyes half-closed.

Daly said Wednesday that such unwelcome publicity is why the PGA Tour suspended him for six months.

The two-time major champion confirmed his suspension to The Associated Press, calling this the low point of an 18-year career during which he has made as much news off the course as he has with his prodigious game.

"Is it fair that I got suspended?" he said. "It's not fair in reality, but it's probably fair in perception."

Daly said he wanted to go public to let fans and tournaments know that he wasn't abandoning them by taking his game to the European tour. At least until the spring, he simply didn't have much of a choice.

"I'm not sure this is the smartest thing to do, but I'd rather be honest, especially with the fans," he said. "It's hard for me not to play on the West Coast. I love it out there."

PGA Tour spokesman Ty Votaw declined comment, even after seeing Daly's remarks, citing the tour's longtime policy of not discussing fines or suspensions.

This is the second time the tour has suspended Daly, along with at least two other times when he agreed to sit out the final few months of a season to get his life in order.

He has not played on the PGA Tour since he missed the cut Oct. 17 in Las Vegas. Ten days later, police in Winston-Salem, N.C., said he appeared intoxicated outside a Hooters restaurant, and Daly was taken to jail to sleep it off. That led to his photo in the orange jail suit, which became an Internet sensation.

Still trying to recover from various injuries, Daly made only five cuts in 17 starts on the tour, finishing 232nd on the money list. His world ranking has plunged to No. 736.

Daly isn't even sure when the suspension began, but he hopes it ends in May. He said PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem sent a letter to his agent, Bud Martin of SFX Sports, who passed along the news.

"Tim and his staff have to do what they do," Daly said. "Truly and honestly, I wish Tim would get to know the facts better before he makes a decision. I would love to sit down and have a nice talk with him, tell him what really happened. But perception is reality in the world, and sometimes they have to do what they have to do."
More at: John Daly says he's serving 6-month suspension - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3801877)

[standin]

This is exactly the same deal as Charlie Sheen,
and even after recent reports of domestic violence,
we still all love 2 men and a baby or whatever its called..

Tiger basically said he was above the common rules of
humanity.... And you know what, he fookin is.
If I was worth that much, a warm face towel in first class... nah uh
Full suckage before take off, from the hostess I chose.

There is a lot money can't buy.
That was one of the very first things I learned from Augusta.

And being above common courtesy in certain circles is one.

Sure, there are scoundrels with and without resources. Some newly resourced individuals are mindful enough to be able to select to be a scoundrel or not.


Getting back to Tiger, he may find the temptations of a full resource to large to bear. I don't know.

And rightly, his troubles or the lack of troubles will not change if I go to specific tourneys.

I do wish him the best as I would most anyone stranger, acquaintance, friend, or family. And as a public and historic figure discuss him.

[standin]

:barf:

Bite the big one, Elvis. :fufu:

[kwame k]

Who among us hasn't cheated on the course?

Show of hands.....


:gulp:

exactly

I don't....of course golfing for me involves copious amounts of alcohol and other party favors. So by the time we hit the back nine no one remembers to keep score.

[standin]

Standin, you growned me for that?

It was a JOKE! I'm not seriously suggesting that his name permits Woods to be an asshole......

Sorry.


I'll rehab it. ;)

I am sure it was over sensitive gesture from my part due to the plebeian roust about to my learned perception and understanding of golf.

My bad. :)

[standin]

i have no idea why there is golf;)

:biggrin:

[standin]

Who among us hasn't cheated on the course?

Show of hands.....


:gulp:

exactly

Even I, who does not play cheated. I went up and dropped a ball in the 18th hole at the National and did not ask permission.
Wild times I tell you!
;)

[standin]

I don't....of course golfing for me involves copious amounts of alcohol and other party favors. So by the time we hit the back nine no one remembers to keep score.

Yea, when I play goofy golf. I just quit counting after the double digits come into play. :biggrin:

[lesfunk]

This whole fucking thing is between Woods and his wife. Period. I could not give less of a shit.
He's a fucking millionaire golfer for Christ's sake. Who gives a fuck? I mean really....

[standin]

I will admit it. I learned of golf in a bit of a skewed way. I did not even know of the golf tournament at the Augusta National until some tourist pointed it was the big weekend and this incredible player of golf, Tiger. I had never seen such restrained passion from a person watching a game. It was interesting. I still did not have a lot of interest in golf until my years at the National. I do not know much more of the game out side of the National and the Heritage, a relaxed game after the National.

However, while at the National and being given the fortune to see Amen Corner through a full moon rising and contemplating the reverence of the National itself during that time, stirred me.
Yes, the national also has all kinds, cantankerous and just men. Nevertheless, in America it holds the meaning of golf to me and to many others. Until you have experienced the National in person, you cannot understand this respect.

[LoungeMachine]

None of which proves the existence of any sort of "integrity" of the game....

It's a game. Barely a "sport"

One's integrity lies in themselves, not what game/sport they choose to play.

:gulp:

[Kristy]

You can call a game like pool one of geometry but call golf one of integrity? Golf to me is the rich man's wasting disease in where those who can afford to play it on a daily basis are assholes by believing hitting a small white ball into a round hole hundreds of yards away somehow makes them a better person. Back in high school I briefly dated a guy who worked on a golf course which was more or less one of those "country clubs" where idle rich neurosurgeons and trial lawyers would spend their time telling racist jokes and openly disusing their patient/client situations back and forth to each other while treating the staff like absolute shit. Now where is the "integrity" in that? The film Caddyshack acutely portrayed what pricks most golfers with money really are.

Now if you have loads of free time on your hands and can get good as in real good knocking the ball around you can make millions while being "integral" at a sport that, until Woods came along, was more or less a Saturday afternoon reason to take a tap while watching it. Nobody took to Woods because he made the game more interesting or less lethargic but because he didn't fit the golf stereotype of white pot-belied men with bad comb-overs wearing ugly plaid-colored slacks. Woods took the game to a different level in that he broke down all those untalked about racial (and somewhat misogynistic) barriers that existed so long in that er...sport. That's what really put his name on the map more than his playing and in the process people, i.e., the media looked to him as some sort of unflawless demigod. Like I said, no one could believe he spent his off hours chasing Vegas gold diggers and surgically-enhanced b-models while being a married man. Oh no, he was supposed to have "integrity" remember? That word doesn't exist in that mundane sport and never will. Woods himself knows that better than anybody else.

[binnie]

unless he publicly apologizes.;)

I would like to apologize - sincerely apologize - for the pain which my mis-placed joke may have caused Tiger Woods, his wife, and the multiple ho's his been putting from the rough with.

I only hope that in time God, Tiger, Mrs. Tiger, and the said ho's can forgive me, but most of all I hope that I can forgive myself.

Perhaps then I can get back to being the poster I always hoped I can be and bring the integrity to posting which I have always aspired to bring. Perhaps then, and only then, can I fight my addiction for humour - but none of you know how addictive laughter can be.

:D

[PETE'S BROTHER]

i'd thank ya, but i'm out of 'em right now.

[kwame k]

i'd thank ya, but i'm out of 'em right now.

Here take one from me, Pete :beers8:

Now Binnie, was that so hard? You are well on your way to being Noble again :)

[LoungeMachine]

I always thought the 2 biggest waste of natural resources were Golf Courses and Cemeteries....

Why not combine the 2?

Start planting grandma on the back 9.

Imagine the new found difficulties of having to play the lie next to that granite tombstone?

Sand traps could be more fun. Dig too deep and you'll expose uncle Sid.

:gulp:

Gives a whole new meaning to the term play 'em where they lie

[kwame k]

I always thought adding some physical violence into the sport would make it more interesting....like tackling in football :)

[LoungeMachine]

Happy Gilmore comes to mind.....

:gulp:

Although I LOVE the movie Tin Cup

[LoungeMachine]

I always thought adding some physical violence into the sport would make it more interesting....like tackling in football :)

love how everyone has to be so fucking quiet....shhhhhhhhh

Fuck that.

If they had any integrity they could sink that putt with the entire gallery taunting them....

:gulp:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Here take one from me, Pete :beers8:

Now Binnie, was that so hard? You are well on your way to being Noble again :)

knobbled?

[kwame k]

love how everyone has to be so fucking quiet....shhhhhhhhh

Fuck that.

If they had any integrity they could sink that putt with the entire gallery taunting them....

:gulp:

You should golf with my buddies then.....they're brutal. The whole idea is to make you fuck up.

Would that be considered cheating? I wouldn't want to take the Nobility out of the sport.......

[kwame k]

knobbled?

No thanks, I'm dating someone already :)

[LoungeMachine]

You should golf with my buddies then.....they're brutal. The whole idea is to make you fuck up.

Would that be considered cheating? I wouldn't want to take the Nobility out of the sport.......

We just make comments about banging each others wives/girlfriends...

:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

No thanks, I'm dating someone already :)

What's he do for a living?

Dont tell me he's pro golfer, I'll just kill you.....
:gulp:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

love how everyone has to be so fucking quiet....shhhhhhhhh

Fuck that.

If they had any integrity they could sink that putt with the entire gallery taunting them....

:gulp:

like in curling:biggrin:

[kwame k]

What's he do for a living?

Dont tell me he's pro golfer, I'll just kill you.....
:gulp:

Semi-Pro looking to turn Pro :0

[chefcraig]

A few words from the master on the subject.

NSFW (Language).

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[Kristy]

Carlin is so missed.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Carlin is so missed.

amen sista:(

[kwame k]

ORLANDO, Fla. – Tiger Woods has offered another apology, this time to parents of children at the preschool that his 2-year-old daughter attends, an Orlando television station reported Tuesday.

WFTV reported on its Web site that it has obtained a letter that Woods and his wife, Elin, wrote to parents of children attending Premier Academy to apologize for increased media scrutiny around the school.

"We hope that the paparazzi will find something better to do with their time in the near future," the letter said.

Ad nauseam here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100223/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_woods__apology)

[kwame k]

Come to think of it......where's my apology for having to endure your apologies......

[LoungeMachine]

A few words from the master on the subject.

NSFW (Language).

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:lmao:

Classic Carlin

Never got around to speaking on the integrity of the game, however.... ;)

[chefcraig]

Never got around to speaking on the integrity of the game, however....

I believe the phrase "Let 'em fuck with a windmill for an hour and a half or so, see if there's really any skill among these people..." pretty much covers that aspect of the game.

[ZahZoo]

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[hideyoursheep]

Aside from getting married at the wrong time in his life, what is Tiger apologizing for?
:umm:

He should take the Charles Barkley approach and announce "I am not a role model. I golf."

[PETE'S BROTHER]

tiger shoulda said....

To my wife, I'm sorry. I fucked up but I'm not changing so you'll either need to put up with this shit or I'll stroke you the check I agreed to in the pre-nup....sorry.

To my fans, get over it. Where I stick my dick is none of your business. If you care....sorry. I don't need any of you in order to make 10 times in one year what you'll make in a career. I promise to continue to hit 4 irons from 210 yards to within 10' of the hole and drop puts that you couldn't read in a million years. If that's not good enough for you, go watch tennis.

To the media. You cocksuckers are the only ones more two-faced than I am. Kissing my ass for all those years and then ripping me every chance you've had since Thanksgiving. Fuck ya'll. I'm glad I don't have to take the time to sit and answer the same bullshit questions over and over again.

To the other golfers. Kiss my cablanasian ass! You motherfuckers come out ripping me when I've put more fucking money in your pockets than you could count. You think anyone's been paying to see Jesper-fucking-Parnavik? Give me a fucking break. I'm almost tempted to give up golf just to punish you guys but I think it's going to be more fun to practice for the next few weeks and get back to making you all my bitches.

That's all I got today folks.....see ya at Augusta !....Oh and Bambi, if you're listening I'll meet you at the Ritz in 45 minutes.